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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:23 AM
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Clinton's Texas Ground Game Plunges Into Chaos ("It's a clusterf#$k! Just a clusterf@*k!" )

Clinton's Texas Ground Game Plunges Into Chaos
Posted February 21, 2008 | 02:28 AM (EST)

Although the Clinton Campaign has been telling the press that they have the ground operations to pull off a win in Texas, those ground operations have not been in evidence when I've traveled to small towns to see how Bill Clinton is doing on the Texas stump. Wednesday evening in Victoria, down in the southeastern part of the state, incipient chaos threatened to overwhelm the "Early Vote" Rally precisely because there was no ground operation. The well-oiled, beautifully constructed state-level HRC campaign machine, focused and determined in Iowa, Nevada and California, is beginning to break down.

"It's a clusterfuck! Just a clusterfuck!" the Corpus Christi producer for a local news affiliate shouts into his cell phone. He's telling his boss that there will be no coverage of Bill Clinton's visit to Victoria for the 6 o'clock news. "Who's running this campaign anyway?" the producer asks, of no one in particular. "And now five hundred people have stomped away mad." He shakes his head. At that moment, twenty well-dressed elderly and middle-aged dignitaries and politicians exit the back of the local arts center and walk slowly for the intersection of Goodwin and Main. Presumably, they are Hillary Clinton supporters; however, given their dazed faces, they look more like commissars who have been turned out by the NKVD and cannot believe how suddenly their fortunes have changed.

With his Secret Service agents at his side, Bill Clinton walks the short block without acknowledging the little group of eminent supporters. (They are never introduced or explained.) A rumpled Dolores Huerta (she's been wearing the same clothes for several days) trails behind. An aide helps Clinton and Huerta up onto the tailgate of a pick-up truck. Although Huerta has been feisty on the campaign trail for Hillary, she's perfunctory tonight. Few, if any, of the crowd ringing the intersection know who she is. Bill Clinton takes the microphone, which barks in the damp air. It's twilight and more rain is on the way. Bill Clinton has already spoken today at Galveston and Beaumont. He's going to be very late for his last appearance of the night at the University of Houston. Here in Victoria the former president, standing on the tailgate, at first seems to love the unplanned venue. But he never hits his stride and in disjointed fashion rushes through his speech, a shorter version (without any of the swipes at Obama) of the one I heard last week in Nacogdoches. Huerta and Clinton are on autopilot, and the crowd knows it. Only from one curb where the local organizer churns enthusiasm is there much response to Clinton's words. Most of the folks, and there must be a thousand people in all, including those hanging over the balconies of a parking garage, are merely curious.

The debacle in Victoria illustrates why a ground operation is important. The details of planning have been left to a local volunteer, and she has been overwhelmed. How was she to know the needs of the live press? Or that live press often arrive before the print media? (This confusion led to some journalists being locked out.) Or the possibility of having to entertain a restive audience, because this former president typically runs very late? Actually, the citizens of Victoria were patient, sitting quietly in the Welder Center auditorium for three hours waiting for Bill Clinton. Many people had brought their children, and they were patient, too. But when a young Clinton aide appeared on the podium and announced that the rally was being moved to the street, so that Bill Clinton could address a larger crowd from the back of a truck, displeasure was expressed all 'round. Many families left in disgust. They had arrived early to get seats--and now they were being told they had to stand on the street? But the anger of the locals was nothing compared to that of the Texas press. The press had been waiting for hours, too; it had taken time to lay cables and run through all the fussing and tweaking cameramen typically do. And when the press trudged out the auditorium doors, they discovered that their umbrellas, which had been confiscated as some kind of security measure (the only one), had been appropriated, undoubtedly by the disgruntled locals.

In the end, there was only a slightly larger throng on the street than there would have been if the rally had been kept in the auditorium, with the audio/video feed for the overflow in the foyer. The rally had been set originally for the town square; somehow no one had thought to check the weather forecast in southeast Texas this week. More importantly, there was no Clinton organizer on the ground ahead-of-time in Victoria to make the right decision about the venue and to have the clout to tell Bill Clinton and his entourage, when they arrived, that moving the rally to the street was a bad idea. Poor decision-making likely cost Hillary Clinton more than a few votes in Victoria.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/clintons-texas-ground-ga_b_87723.html
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:26 AM
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1. Now this is bad
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Yurem2008 Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:28 AM
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3. Turn the lights out. This party is over
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:31 AM
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7. This is bad if your an Obama supporter
But as a Hillary supporter I never put stock in any Obama supporters posts. Every time an Obama supporter posts an article there is always a counter post. So, I'm not worried with any negative article a Obama supporter posts.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:58 AM
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18. This is a direct quote of a Huffington Post article...
The Obama supporter provided no additional input here.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:01 PM
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29. Do you equally disregard
the negative Obama stories posted by Hillary supporters?

You sound a little ostrich-like about this story. If you read it, the journalists
were the ones upset, the local Texas journalists among others.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:27 AM
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2. McCain was written off months ago by some off these same idiots. (eom)
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:28 AM
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4. Had he lost 11 straight contests at that time?
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Yurem2008 Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:30 AM
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6. Hillary wrote a book Living History
now her fans want to change the title to Inventing History. McPain recovered because his competition was Giuliani, Romney and Huckabee...not Obama. Hillary is toast, period.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:49 AM
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14. There will be no fast fowarding to Obama's coronation. From now to March 4 is an eternity.(eom)
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 10:50 AM by oasis
:dem:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:40 AM
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12. As you know, Hillary is in much better shape now than McCain was then. (eom)
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:33 AM
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10. but who did he have to bounce back against?
Fred "I wanna be president, just not run for it" Thompson?
Mitt "varmint killer" Romney
Mike "lets amend the constitution to reflect my christofacist views" Huckabee
Or (My personal favorite)
Rudy "pay no attention to the fishnets" Guiliani???
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:48 PM
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39. McCain came back before many votes were cast
If McCain were behind now, it would be most likely over for him too and though he came back, it was the winner take all rules combined with small margins that enabled him to take the lead. Hillary has no such options and if she came back the way McCain did, she would still lose the delegate count.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:30 AM
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5. She didn't plan an infrastructure past Super Tuesday, and it shows.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:32 AM
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8. Oh my. I heard yesterday her campaign can't quite figure out our Texas Two Step.
They haven't been able to tell their supporters exacly how to do it so she can pick up more delegates. I am really shocked they aren't better prepared than this, especially with so much time to prepare.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:05 PM
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31. But...but Hillary posed with a kid in a mariachi band!
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 12:05 PM by Arkana
And she eats hot peppers!

That's what Mexicans do, right? :sarcasm:
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:33 AM
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9. I'm not clear on why the 500 people and others walked away "mad"..? Because
they had to move outside..? Bill was in the back of a pickup truck? This hurts to read.

I'm starting to feel kinda bad for them. I really always liked Bill. This has diminished him in a significant way and I hope he can get back to himself after this mess is over. Who is pushing her to continue this? In the media, they're already talking about Obama v McCain. They know its over.. we know its over.. why don't the Clintons?
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:51 AM
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17. They know its over.. we know its over.. why don't the Clintons?
I can only imagine that collapsing in such a short time from THE "Inevitable" candidate to an "also ran" must be quite difficult for them to wrap their minds around. To admit to herself "It's over" is probably more than she can probably digest in such a short time frame, her "I know" moment just hasn't arrived yet.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:07 AM
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19. Hopefully he will devout himself entirely to the Clinton Foundation.
Unfortunately I read an article, probably before SC, where there was real concern about how this election would affect the charity. A lot of the donors are apparently worried. Many of them donate heavily, banking that Clinton's global influence will serve them business-wise.

I'll try to find it.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:20 PM
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36. Because they had been waiting 3 hours
and if I had been waiting 3 hours & then told I had to go somewhere else, I'd leave mad too.

Senator Kennedy was late yesterday, but only 15 minutes late. And he had been campaigning all over South Texas that day too.

dg
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:41 PM
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43. I like the back of the pickup truck. RFK used to do things like that.
Too bad it's not Obama in the back of that truck drawing crowds from the
deck of a parking garage. Be inspired that the security folks allowed
them to go up there (remember Dallas?) Echoes of a more innocent and
idealistic era.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:39 AM
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11. Well, that's what happens when your campaign is falling apart.
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:48 AM
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13. If you can't run a campaign, you can't run the White House.
these campaign's are a true test of a candidates leadership and organizational skills. Obama has been consistent even when faced with an unusually long primary. Hillary's campaign has faltered several times, ran out of money (at least that's what they said) and fired top advisors. Hillary's a damned good Senator, but not ready to run the country.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:51 AM
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15. This reminds me of the last days of Hussein in Iraq.
Everything just started to fall apart.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:56 PM
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41. Or the last days of the monarchy in France
n/t
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:43 PM
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44. Didn't Hussein and Bagdad Bob do an impromptu presser in a street corner during the Bagdad invasion?
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:51 AM
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16. A funny thing happened on the way to Hillary's coronation..
Heck it was over on Super Tuesday when Hillary failed to take a commanding lead over Obama. They had NO plans for anything past Super Tuesday!

Now we see them uselessly flailing about the country, her campaign in its death throes. Its getting embarrassing now.

But of course the Clinton's will claw and screech until the people put them out of their misery in Texas and Ohio.

Just for the sake of decency stop this rotten campaign before the convention!
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:08 AM
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20. Two weeks from now they will be 20 million in debt
and no closer to the white house. This is quickly becoming embarrassing. If Hill and Bill hope to end this thing with any dignity intact they better drop soon. If she exits this race with unpaid bills sitting all over the place it will not be helpful to any future endeavors.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:10 AM
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21. Her ridicule of Kirk Watson probably will not play well there either
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:27 AM
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24. I liked McCaskill's kind comment on Watson
From what she she said, he expected to be asked about the Texas primary or previous primaries, he was nervous and drew a blank to a question that many Obama supporters could easily answer.

I can't believe how often Matthews played that - to me he sounded like in a past life he was part of the Spanish inquisition. What was his point in humiliating the man.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:40 AM
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25. Did you see his blog post?

MSNBC and Me

So . . . That really happened.

On Tuesday night, after an important and historic victory in the Wisconsin Presidential Primary by Senator Barack Obama, I appeared on the MSNBC post-election program. “Hardball” host Chris Matthews (who is, it turns out, as ferocious as they say), began grilling me on Senator Obama’s legislative record.

And my mind went blank. I expected to be asked about the primary that night, or the big one coming up in Texas on March 4, or just about anything else in the news. When the subject changed so emphatically, I reached for information that millions of my fellow Obama supporters could recite by heart, and I couldn’t summon it.

My most unfortunate gaffe is not, in any way, a comment on Senator Obama, his substantial record, or the great opportunity we all share to elect him President of the United States.

Had I not lost my mind, here are the accomplishments I would have mentioned:

- Senator Obama’s fight for universal children’s health care in Illinois.
- His success bringing Republicans and Democrats together (a huge selling point for me in general) on bills such as the one in Illinois requiring police interrogations and confessions to be videotaped.
- His leadership on ethics reform in Washington (the bill that lobbyists and special interests are complaining about right now has his name on it).
- His bill to make the federal budget far more transparent and accessible to Americans via the Internet – we could use that openness in Texas.
- And his vital work with Republicans to lock down nuclear weapons around the world.

Of course, it would have helped to remember all of this last night. I encourage anyone who wants to know more (especially Mr. Matthews) to log onto texas.barackobama.com.

In the meantime, let’s not lose focus on what’s important in this election. It’s not my stunning televised defeat in “Stump the Chump.” Thankfully, it has nothing at all to do with me.

What’s important is the direction our country is headed. What’s important are the priorities, methods, and, yes, accomplishments of those seeking the highest office in the country.

Senator Obama has a vision for this nation, and we would be fortunate to fulfill it. He has the commitment to work with everyone from across the political and demographic spectrum to achieve it. And he has the strength to defend us, our security, and our values against all who will challenge them.

But most of all, he has the record to prove that all of this is possible. It’s something no one should forget.

. . . Even though I did.

. . . On national television.

http://www.kirkwatson.com/media/whats-new/2008/02/20/msnbc-and-me/

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:44 AM
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26. Thanks - I hadn't seen this and he sounds like a nice guy
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:14 PM
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32. She ridiculed him?

Now that's pathetic (and mean). Another example of how Hillary
likes to eat her own.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:20 AM
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22. I know this is some local reporter's comment but
"Bill Clinton walks the short block without acknowledging the little group of eminent supporters."

Of all the years that President Clinton was out in public, he always found time to shake hands or acknowledge (wave) to crowds whether small or large.

Sorry, but I can't believe this portion of the story.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:26 AM
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23. I can imagine that BC is not the in best of spirits right now
I know I sometimes act out of character if I'm under stress or something is bothering me.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:47 AM
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28. Well that's you.
That's not Bill.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:17 PM
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34. so you KNOW Bil never acts out of character.
to plagiarize Chelsea "you're clairvoyant. Good for you."
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:45 AM
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27. Texas is just too big to cover like this, Bill
Your only hope was the name-recognition and perceived front-runner status that gave Hillary those big leads in the polls.
That was hitting Texas from a National level.

Now Hillary is the perceived loser, at the National level.
And you are trying to cover it by ground, on the tailgates of trucks?

Obama has the National media blanketing Texas with news of his rising momentum.
He has a widespread grassroots organization and a ton of donated cash.
It's only a matter of time before the polls fall in line.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:59 PM
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42. Especially since Obama's filling giant stadiums
Speaking in high school gyms in small towns is not the way to cover the second-biggest state in the country.
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:01 PM
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30. It's all just so shocking
How the inevitable queen of 2+ weeks ago, has fallen so far, so fast. I remember last year, everyone was saying that all of her opponents were nothing more than speed bumps on her way back to the WH.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:16 PM
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33. ...
:spray: :rofl:

ah, the dangers of assuming your pals in South Texas that you have ignored for years will pull things around for you.

dg
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:18 PM
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35. Yikes - I guess the lesson is:
Don't count your chickens before they hatch.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:30 PM
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37. Obama fan question here
The Victoria newspaper says there were 6000 people there. That is a huge difference. Which is it? Just curious
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:46 PM
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38. Campaign
This all stems from the arrogance of assuming she was the nominee in advance, and not planning to wage a real campaign. It is too late to put together a ground-up campaign now.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:55 PM
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40. Maybe Hillary Needs To Start Working The Day Shift
:rofl:
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:20 AM
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45. You got me! LOL!
:thumbsup:
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