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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:16 AM
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Hillary Clinton: "You’re the foundation, the families, the communities and the country we love"
Hillary Clinton's Speech at Hunter College in New York, February 20



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Both Senator Obama and I would make history and I am thrilled by that. I have spent my entire adult life working on behalf of civil rights and women’s rights and here we are at this moment in American history.

But maybe because I understand how difficult this job will be and how lonely it is in the Oval Office because when all the cameras are gone and the lights are out, when the advisors have all had their say, the president has to decide. We need a president who is ready to do that. Only one of us is ready on Day One.

This campaign is not about a campaign, this campaign is not about a personality, this campaign is about hundreds of millions of Americans who are yearning for leadership again. People who across this country do the hard work that makes America work. I’ve spent most of my life helping people who are trying to make it. I know who you are. You pour coffee in the corner restaurant, you fix people’s hair, you ring up the cash register, you deliver the mail, you put out fires and patrol our streets grade papers after your kids have gone to sleep.

You stand on the wall late at night defending our nation so the rest of us can sleep, you’re the nurses who tend to the sick, the caregivers who care and give. You’re the parents on the front lines of daily life, determined to achieve the American dream for your family. You’re the foundation, the families, the communities and the country we love. You truly are the miracle that makes America what it is.

Others might be joining a movement. I’m joining you on the night shift, on the day shift and I’m asking you to join me to shift America into high gear again. To ensure that we build a strong and prosperous middle class, that we do all in our poor into prosperity and opportunity, that we recognize that the divisions among us are nothing compared to the unity that America can have.

The results that I’ve been part of producing for the last 35 years are rooted in my dreams for a better future. We all carry dreams in our hearts and we need to keep dreaming. Dreaming keeps us hopeful, it lifts our spirits, it sets our sights high. Without dreams you can’t aspire to be great but without action, we cannot turn those dreams into reality. I want you to fulfill your dreams and I want America to fulfill ours. It will take hard work and resolve and determination but there isn’t anything we can’t do once we set our minds to it. I intend, as your president, to make sure that America does fulfill all of our dreams.

I judge the results of my public service on whether people are better off when I stop than when I started; whether our children will be able to live up to their God-given potential, whether America is making progress in moving toward that more perfect union that our founders promised. I’m ready to do this work and I’m ready to bring our country together. I know that if we once again start acting like Americans, we will see results. We will believe in ourselves. We will feel that pride that comes at the end of hard work that produces positive change.

There are big differences in this election between me and Senator Obama and between me and Senator McCain; whether we favor speeches or solutions to move our country forward, or more of the same old Republican policies. This is a debate that the voters deserve to have. We cannot achieve unity that lasts, unity that is real, unless we accept that sometimes people disagree, not just to be disagreeable or to play political games but because they have honest and principled differences. People are entitled to defend those strong opinions, but then we’ve got to come together to reach consensus, to honor our differences and to work through them. We won’t achieve unity or fulfill our dreams by running away from honest discussion and debate.

We cannot achieve the kind of changes we want by voting present on controversial issues or by meeting behind closed doors with corporate interests to water down legislation or by caving in when the pressure mounts. The American people deserve better than that.

So yes, let’s get real. Let’s get real about this election. Let’s get real about our future. Let’s get real about what it is we can do together. Let’s get real about whether or not our young people learn because teachers can teach and not just test. Let’s get real about whether our brave veterans are given the care and the respect they deserve. Let’s get real about not just talking family values but valuing families by strengthening the middle class, creating good jobs, proving universal health care, making college affordable, taking care of our senior citizens.

My campaign is about an America of shared opportunity, shared prosperity and shared responsibility. I do believe we are all in this together and we are going to demonstrate loudly and clearly that our country is worth fighting for; our country is worth standing up for. And this campaign goes on and this campaign moves forward. And this campaign, with your help, will take our country back.



full transcript: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/02/clintons_speech_at_hunter_coll.html
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:18 AM
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1. Shouldn't she be in Texas now? Why the hell is she speaking a gym in NY?
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Yurem2008 Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:19 AM
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2. She needs MONEY
and had fundraisers in NY
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:22 AM
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3. She forgot that TX matters in the Primary, just not the GE.
Probably one of her campaign flunkies got confused on the memo to her.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:25 AM
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7. life according to DU Obama supporters. Everyone's a flunky 'cept their icon.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:34 AM
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13. Nice one
:toast:
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:12 PM
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33. ...
:evilgrin:
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:53 PM
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49. opps
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 12:54 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
:pals:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:30 AM
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9. so you admit that upcoming states "count"---about time.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:24 AM
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5. she had a fundraiser near home. Left there for two appearances in Texas.
Why the hell? Why the hell not?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:32 AM
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10. you have plenty of other threads to POOP on. Go drop your poop elsewhere.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:32 AM
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11. Cause she cant get a crowd in Texas?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:34 AM
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14. another Obamapuppy pooping on a positive Hillary thread. It stinks-Scram!
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:37 AM
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17. You kill me. I love your zingers.
:loveya:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:40 AM
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20. they miss the paper so often.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:35 AM
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15. She spoke to over 6000 in HIDALGO, Texas within 24 hours
-- Speaking to 6,000 at the Dodge Arena, Mrs. Clinton focused on her list of what she wants to accomplish – affordable health care, college education, pre-kindergarten instruction, a workable border solution – and how she is the candidate who knows the needs of South Texas.

Pointing to a sign, she said: "Tested, proven, effective. That's what we need in our next president."

Her speech was upbeat and held few of the negative punches predicted by the Obama campaign.

David Plouffe, the Obama campaign manager, told reporters Wednesday morning: "We expect she'll be very aggressive in the debate. I don't think it's too long before you see negative advertising, mail and radio in the state of Texas from her."

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/national/stories/DN-clinton_21pol.ART.State.Edition1.45f2fe5.html
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:04 PM
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30. thanks I did not realize the crowd was that big. I also see the very negitive
comments put out by the Obama campaign.


she does well in debates--personally i hope she keeps it positive--speak of her policies. but i also want her to defend any misinformation.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 04:20 PM
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61. 5 Ignored in this tree alone.
I love that system :)
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:24 AM
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4. YES
Yes yes yes!GO HILLARY!

"We cannot achieve the kind of changes we want by voting present on controversial issues or by meeting behind closed doors with corporate interests to water down legislation or by caving in when the pressure mounts. The American people deserve better than that."



HIllary is not afraid to disagree or fight for the sake of Unity alone.You HAVE TO STAND FOR SOMETHING or YOU ARE NOTHING.

SHE STANDS FOR ME!

Thank you bigtree!!!! :hug:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:39 AM
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19. she was referring to how Obama watered down nuclear Leaks bill--he got $$ for his coffers
I think it was a NYTimes article just a few weeks ago.


"We cannot achieve the kind of changes we want by voting present on controversial issues or by meeting behind closed doors with corporate interests to water down legislation or by caving in when the pressure mounts. The American people deserve better than that."
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:53 AM
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27. yeah and
didn't he lie to people's faces about passing a bill about that?I remember reading something along those lines awhile back.

Anyway,I love hearing this from her.When your words are as powerful and ring as true as Hillarys do here you don't need to hear them said in soaring rhetoric to make you say Amen - Hillary does that to me with the truth and her FIERCENESS! :evilgrin:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:55 AM
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28. yes he did. and yes her words are powerful to me also.
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Rock_Garden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:24 AM
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6. Thanks, bigtree. I enjoyed reading this one. K&R!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:29 AM
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8. and a link to good photos of Hillary is here:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:33 AM
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12. REC
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:36 AM
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16. That is a wonder tribute. Thanks for the post
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:37 AM
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18. This is great! It's really nice to know there is some class left in GD:P
Thanks!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:42 AM
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22. yes, bigtree is great. But requires us all to chase aways the obamapuppies who have no manners
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:46 PM
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46. Arf,arf,arf
I wish I was a puppy though. More like a mangy ol' boomer.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:40 AM
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21. Ein Reich, Ein Volk und Ehrenkreuz der deutschen Mutter
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 11:41 AM by formercia
http://www.pzg.biz/regalia_mothers_cross.htm

The History of the Third Reich German
Gold Mothers Cross, Silver Mothers Cross and Bronze Mothers Cross of Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germany.

Many social programs were implemented by Hitler to encourage the growth of a strong German Nazi Volk. One such program was to advocate the virtues of motherhood. This program included a gigantic Nazi propaganda campaign to urge women to increase the size of their families. Cash incentives were paid for each child born. On the 16th of December 1938 Hitler instituted a new award to honor German Nazi motherhood, especially the large family. The cross of Honor of the German Mother (Ehrenkreuz der deutschen Mutter) was created in three classes with the criteria as follows:

Bronze 3rd Class Mother's Nazi Cross - A bronze Christian Cross normally worn about the neck suspended by a 10mm blue ribbon with two white stripes at each edge. A round shield was affixed to the cross, bearing the inscription 'Der Deutschen Mutter' encircling a black enamel Nazi swastika on a white enamel field. Behind the shield and between the arms of the cross was a projection of rays. The arms of the cross were blue enamel with white enamel edges. The reverse was plain save for the date '16 Dezember 1938' followed by a facsimile of Hitler's signature. From 16th December 1938, when the decoration was first instituted, to mid 1939, Nazi mother's crosses bore the inscription 'Das Kind adelt die Mutter' (The child ennobles the mother). Why this change on the reverse of the cross was brought about is not known. The manufactures logo was sometimes found on the back as well. This award was normally presented in a blue envelope bearing the title of the award on the front. The award was also accompanied by a large certificate bearing a facsimile of Hitler's signature.

Silver 2nd Class Mother's Nazi Cross - similar to the 3rd class Mother's Nazi Cross except that the metal parts were finished in silver. It was presented for bearing 6 to 7 children.

Gold 1st Class Mother's Nazi Cross - again similar to the 3rd class except all the metal parts were finished in Gold and also it was presented in a hard presentation case that consisted of a hinged and compartmentalized box. The exterior was a very dark blue simulated leather with a facsimile of the award embossed in gold. The interior of the lid was a white satin and the base was an off white velvet. It was presented for bearing eight or more children.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:45 AM
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24. what are you doing?? are you equating Hillary's campaign with the Hitler?


Ein Reich, Ein Volk und Ehrenkreuz der deutschen Mutter
Posted by formercia


http://www.pzg.biz/regalia_mothers_cross.htm

The History of the Third Reich German
Gold Mothers Cross, Silver Mothers Cross and Bronze Mothers Cross of Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germany.

Many social programs were implemented by Hitler to encourage the growth of a strong German Nazi Volk. One such program was to advocate the virtues of motherhood. This program included a gigantic Nazi propaganda campaign to urge women to increase the size of their families. Cash incentives were paid for each child born. On the 16th of December 1938 Hitler instituted a new award to honor German Nazi motherhood, especially the large family. The cross of Honor of the German Mother (Ehrenkreuz der deutschen Mutter) was created in three classes with the criteria as follows:

Bronze 3rd Class Mother's Nazi Cross - A bronze Christian Cross normally worn about the neck suspended by a 10mm blue ribbon with two white stripes at each edge. A round shield was affixed to the cross, bearing the inscription 'Der Deutschen Mutter' encircling a black enamel Nazi swastika on a white enamel field. Behind the shield and between the arms of the cross was a projection of rays. The arms of the cross were blue enamel with white enamel edges. The reverse was plain save for the date '16 Dezember 1938' followed by a facsimile of Hitler's signature. From 16th December 1938, when the decoration was first instituted, to mid 1939, Nazi mother's crosses bore the inscription 'Das Kind adelt die Mutter' (The child ennobles the mother). Why this change on the reverse of the cross was brought about is not known. The manufactures logo was sometimes found on the back as well. This award was normally presented in a blue envelope bearing the title of the award on the front. The award was also accompanied by a large certificate bearing a facsimile of Hitler's signature.

Silver 2nd Class Mother's Nazi Cross - similar to the 3rd class Mother's Nazi Cross except that the metal parts were finished in silver. It was presented for bearing 6 to 7 children.

Gold 1st Class Mother's Nazi Cross - again similar to the 3rd class except all the metal parts were finished in Gold and also it was presented in a hard presentation case that consisted of a hinged and compartmentalized box. The exterior was a very dark blue simulated leather with a facsimile of the award embossed in gold. The interior of the lid was a white satin and the base was an off white velvet. It was presented for bearing eight or more children.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:47 AM
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25. Und hier dachte ich, daß Vogelgehirne wie Sie ausgestorben waren
erhalten Sie verlorenes trauriges
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:13 PM
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34. I know some birds that are pretty smart
even with a bird brain.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:09 PM
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31. garbage politics
in support of Obama?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:14 PM
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36. No, garbage speech writers.
Were they plagiarizing Goebbels?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:16 PM
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37. no, but you appear to be emulating him in this attack
"hope and unity"
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:29 PM
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42. - Barack Obama -"you will experience an epiphany .." scary stuff from HIM.
Forum Name Hillary Clinton Supporters Group
Topic subject - Barack Obama -you will experience an epiphany ..
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=334x1452#1452
1452, - Barack Obama -you will experience an epiphany ..
Posted by rodeodance on Tue Feb-19-08 03:14 PM



Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject that is because as Obama said on Jan 7th........
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4660716#4662505
4662505, that is because as Obama said on Jan 7th........
Posted by ElsewheresDaughter on Tue Feb-19-08 01:07 PM

"... a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany ... and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama" - - Barack Obama Lebanon, New Hampshire. January 7, 2008
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:19 PM
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38. Hoffnung und Änderung
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:23 PM
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39. Hope and change
We could really use some change. I have hope as well.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:24 PM
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40. It sounds much better in German.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:35 PM
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43. Perhaps to a horse...
"I speak French to my ambassadors, English to my accountant, Italian to my mistress, Latin to my God, and German to my horse."
Frederick the Great
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:38 PM
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44. I think Obama would be ashamed to see one his followers make this association.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:41 PM
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45. I'm not a follower of Obama
I would have preferred Dennis K be the candidate. I don't follow anyone.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 01:18 PM
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55. I stand corrected. Regardless--your post is slime-Shame on you.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:44 AM
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23. "And this campaign goes on and this campaign moves forward"--she is a strong women;-)



My campaign is about an America of shared opportunity, shared prosperity and shared responsibility. I do believe we are all in this together and we are going to demonstrate loudly and clearly that our country is worth fighting for; our country is worth standing up for. And this campaign goes on and this campaign moves forward. And this campaign, with your help, will take our country back.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:48 AM
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26. And it only cost $10,000 to sit in the front row!
:bounce:

Read that in the paper this morning.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:14 PM
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35. yep. It was a fundraiser. Supporters investing in her candidacy.
your point?
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:25 PM
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41. Naive.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:03 PM
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29. 'You truly are the miracle that makes America what it is.'
And you are too, Hillary.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:11 PM
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32. That's a really good speech
I had hoped she'd arrive at this kind of narrative earlier in the process though.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:49 PM
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47. .....
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 12:50 PM by ElsewheresDaughter


Hillary makes me wanna do the robot!!!
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:51 PM
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48. Here's what I don;t understand
Hillary is obviously trying to inspire with poetry and high-flying rhetoric, and to portray herself as an inspirational leader.

Is that really any different than Obama's speechifying?

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:56 PM
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51. She says the difference is in the level of experience which is behind the words
the experience necessary to effectively turn those 'hopes' into reality
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:59 PM
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52. Wrong. Hillary wraps her solutions in words. All Obama has is words.
And Hillary's is the personification of the perfect blend of solutions and actions. Obama is the personification of an empty suit.
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 01:05 PM
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53. No she isn't.
This isn't rhetoric Armstead.She is making the distinction,telling people just why people like me believe in her and what she will do for us and this great nation.She is talking about fighting for what you believe in and how sometimes that is what is required of a President,not just getting along to get along, and she is ready willing and able to take on that task for the Good of America.


I am a Progressive,I want progressive ideals in The White House,I care about Our Values and what we represent and SHE will fight for us.She has gotten along with the other side for years now,she was elected as a Senator in Bush country!She has friends on both sides that she can call on to help push through a progressive agenda.

Why do you think Republicans hate her so much?Because she is good at what she does!She would make an amazing President.

She made me stand up and say Amen because it's truth talking,the heart of why I want her elected President.And it's just what needed to be said,no soaring sing along required.


She is real Armstead,she can do this.Why can't you all see that?
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 01:16 PM
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54. Obama could have said this:
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 01:17 PM by Armstead
To be honest, I don't see it because I look at her history. I was extremely enthusiastic when she and Bill entered the White House. But over the years, I became more and more frustrated because I felt like everything I believed in was either being ignored or sold out.

I saw the GOP relentlessly pushing their clearly conservative agenda, while the Clinton/DLC Democrats either agreed with them or opposed only the most superficial aspects of the GOP economic agenda. Or they shot themselves in the foot, as with the whole health care debacle.

I could go on in very specific detail. But suffice it to say that I would much preferred to have been able to be enthusiastic about the prospect of Hillary becoming the nominee. Instead it set off a sense of dread that we were just going to be trapped in the same rat-race wheel that has continued unabated since 1980.

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Also, Obama could have said this:

"We cannot achieve unity that lasts, unity that is real, unless we accept that sometimes people disagree, not just to be disagreeable or to play political games but because they have honest and principled differences. People are entitled to defend those strong opinions, but then we’ve got to come together to reach consensus, to honor our differences and to work through them. We won’t achieve unity or fulfill our dreams by running away from honest discussion and debate."

I don't see the difference between his approach and what she is saying here. It's the same process of negotiation that he is advocating.
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 01:47 PM
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57. The difference for me Armstead is
she has walked the walk and I believe it is her lifes ambition to do good for America and I believe she can and will if elected.


I got caught up in Bushs War,fell for it hook line and sinker and to this day I wince when I think about how I went along with what 'they' said.The msm parroting it out nightly helped convince me that well,I guess we need to go to war,they have WMD's.We need to stop them. :shrug:

I live with the knowledge that I was manipulated and lied to and followed blindly because "they said" every day of my life.

It innoculated me against Obama.I have never looked at him and saw anything other than the novice inexperienced Senator that he is.He is a wonderful speaker,would make an excellent V.P. and I can appreciate that he appeals to so many but when it comes to walking the walk?He does not.He has not. And I don't believe he will.Not at this time.

Also,I'm not religious and the Bush years have taught me to fear any one using evangelical tones to get one's point across.

I'm not saying he would use religion in the same way Bush has,I'm saying it's not enough for me.While Gospel music can make me get up and lift my hands, You won't get same reactionm from me if you're asking for my vote.It just doesn't work like that for me.

I believe Hillary.She has what it takes and she is the right Woman(!!) for The Right Time.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 01:57 PM
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58. Okay, we've all made our choices
We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Just one point though.

I never, ever bought into the Iraq War. I knew what it was from the first time Bush started banging the drum that his intention was tom invade Iraq for reasons that had nothing to do with WMD or 9-11.

It's not that I'm smart or have inside knowledge. Just applied the same instincts that millions of others did. It just didn't pass the smell test, and Bush was so obviously wrong and lying on this.

That's one of the reasons I am opposed to Hillary. At a time when strong leadership against Bushco was most needed, she was among the Democrats that went AWOL.

That's one reason I don't trust her sincerity or her claims of experience now.
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:21 PM
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60. Sorry but you cannot pin that on Hillary alone.
Many of our own voted to give Bush the Power to Go To War if necessary.

They did not vote Go To War.They voted, that if necessary, do it..No one realized he was a maniac and was manipulating the info getting out to set the course for War.

This is Bush's War,no one else's.He is a criminal,period.They wanted this long before 9/11(as I've come to learn) and worked every angle to make that happen.

Hillary and the rest who voted to allow him to go to war should it be necessary can not be held accountable for a Mad Mans decision to use that power as Bush did.

He and he alone is responsible for pulling that trigger,it's Bush's war.

If that is your excuse for not voting for Hillary then how can you Vote For Obama who,now that he has a chance to show strong leadership,is voting to continue the war and going along with the Bush regime...?

I'm sorry but nothing about Obama looks remotely bold to me.Hillary was bold way back when and even though it didn't get passed SHE FOUGHT for Universal Health care.

She walked the walk and she always has.


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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:56 PM
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50. Excellent speech by an AMAZING women
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 01:35 PM
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56. That was great! Thanks bigtree!
K&R
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 01:59 PM
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59. Very nice
I enjoyed reading that. Thank you
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 08:02 PM
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62. thanks for reading, Autumn
:kick:
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