Seven weeks after Iowa and the Clinton campaign still owes Iowans money

[Debi]

Owes Iowa taxes, owes Iowa food venders, owes $$ for the Iowa State Fair (held in August), owes Iowa printers...over $7 million in debt (not just Iowa debt)!

Clinton campaign debt:
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M2/C00431569/D_DEBTS_C00431569.html

and to be fair, Obama campaign debt: (still owes phone and site rental debt of $15,000)
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M2/C00431445/D_DEBTS_C00431445.html

[Infinite Hope]

1. That's...pretty remarkable. They had the funds, pay the debt. What a horrible disregard for Iowans

and other entities they owe money to. Kick and recommend.

[Debi]

4. Iowa Taxes!

Who doesn't pay their taxes?

[Abacus]

36. She's charging her own campaign interest on her loan.

Nothing she does will surprise me anymore.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Hillarys_loan_with_interest.html
http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/C00431569/324192/sc/ALL

[Debi]

44. Mitt didn't even do that!

x(

Really she's charging her supporters $$ on her loan! Now that's commitment to the campaign.

[book_worm]

2. better pay up!

[Debi]

5. Looking at some of the staff money is owed to ... maybe they DID go without pay

unlike what Clinton told the media. x(

[UALRBSofL]

3. Looks to me like Penn started out Hillary's campaign

as a spend thrift. After that first primary I would have dumped him then. I mean, it's hard to watch him on tv because he sounds like he doesn't have a clue. That said, can anyone tell me WHY she picked him to run her campaign? I'm a Hillary supporter and I could do a much better job then him. I'm also a penny pincher.

[Debi]

6. Penn's only part of the problem - he's a money-sponge

He's already received over $4 million and now the campaign owes him $2 million more?

[scheming daemons]

8. It reveals the type of hiring decisions she'll make for her cabinet....

...which goes to the heart of what kind of President she'd be.

She gave the most important staff position in her campaign to Mark Penn. And paid him $4.3 million to do it.


Is this the same kind of decision-making process she'd use to name her Attorney General? Or Secretary of State?


More proof that "ready on day one" is an empty platitude.

[Debi]

12. Ready on day one to continue the deficit spending * & company has gotten us into

Don't worry - with a Clinton in the White House we'll have a great economy and all will be well again .... sure :eyes:

[doni_georgia]

46. Lack of leadership in a campaign bodes ill for a presidency

I don't see that her campaign was ready on day one. Her campaign has been a mess from the beginning. Too many people spouting conflicting orders. Even General Wes Clarke has said that her people on the ground are a mess. He said when her national people came in they did not mesh well with the local people on the ground and it was extremely disorganized. If you can't get a campaign in order . . .

[Debi]

48. Yep - as Mr. Debi kept saying

"Too many chefs in the kitchen"

[doni_georgia]

50. Yep too many chefs and not enough food

[BeyondGeography]

7. Back off...that pizza was good, but it wasn't worth $500

[Debi]

13. Heh, what's sad is that it's these vendors that get stiffed all the time

Penn will be nipping at Clinton's heels until he gets his two million - Hy-Vee will just get the shaft (and pass it on to us regular customers who have to pay our bill as we leave the store). Thanks Hillary...like I wanted to buy the food for your party :puke:

[BeyondGeography]

15. They owe $500.12 to Premier Pizza in Algonquin, Iowa...a big deal for them

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/02/january-fundrai.html

[Debi]

26. Thank you for that link

That is exactly right.

[AtomicKitten]

9. I am stunned at how spectacularly horrible she has run her campaign.

It really is an eye-opener and perhaps a harbinger of how she would run the government. Not good. Say hello to President Obama.

on edit: K&R :)

[Debi]

19. Yep, thanks!

:hi:

[NDambi]

20. She and Ghouliani's campaigns will be study for years to come..on what not to do when

running for office

[Debi]

31. And both of them have run HUGE campaigns in New York

how they screwed up so bad on a national level makes no sense.

[Tatiana]

10. Penn, Schoen & Berland Assoc.

Penn, Schoen & Berland Assoc. 2,106,900.00

What a waste of $$$!!!!

[Debi]

21. Yeah, but eventually he'll get paid

Those small vendors won't. Thanks Clinton campaign x(

[bigbrother05]

11. This is not looking good

[Debi]

22. Wonder how much MORE debt has been incurred in the last 20 days n/t

[Tom Joad]

14. She still owes the nation an apology, but she does not seem too

willing to fork that up either.
clinton needs to say that the IWR was a dreadful mistake (at least) and that she should have known that, even without the use of psychic.

[IADEMO2004]

16. A certain Iowan waited 9 weeks to pay me $5k for his new windows

I bet it is just the mail

[Debi]

23. Well, does the Clinton campaign owe him $$?

Maybe that's what he's waiting for :hi:

[IADEMO2004]

29. No

I've been paid in full but I get pissy when pillars of the community want it done NOW and then take their sweet ass time cutting a check

[Debi]

30. I get pissed when I can't leave a pizza joint w/out paying my bill

and I have to pay my taxes on time and I can't rent a school gymnasium w/out $$ up front but a multi-million dollar campaign can do anything they want ant stiff us Iowans with the bill! x(

What are we going to do? Send the Hillary Clinton campaign to collection? :crazy:

Truly tasteless.

[Divernan]

17. The small town bank my grandfather owned went under in 1929

following the stock market crash. It took him about 30 years, but he eventually paid back every depositor whose money was lost. He didn't have to do it legally. It was a matter of personal honor and integrity. And he never inherited a penny from his family to help him do so. He was a lifelong Democrat, as are 95% of his descendants.

The Clintons could easily "loan" enough money to her campaign to immediately pay all these bills. Then if they can't raise enough donations to pay back that loan, they can personally take the loss. Despite their refusal to reveal their tax returns, we do know they're worth about $25 million and Bill makes millions more each year with his business dealings and speaking fees.

[Debi]

24. That's why I don't have as much concern about Obama's $1 million in debt

Seems his campaign is paying their debts and WILL pay their debts through the campaign. Rather fiscally responsible if you ask me.

Your grandfather sounds like a real gentleman!

[SoFlaJet]

18. what do you expect Deb...

Bill Clinton said the other day that they have been at a disadvantage because they've been operating "on a shoestring" I almost fell off my chair-yea a 130 MILLION dollar shoestring!!!expensive shoestrings I'd say

[Debi]

25. $130 million and they STILL OWE IOWANS MONEY!

Some of that $7 million is for Iowa Taxes! Where did the $$ go? Obama's camp paid their taxes!

[WolverineDG]

35. What shoestring?

Looks like they're running up bills & then not paying. With my experience with the Obama camp, we're paying for swag out of our own pockets. Tonight, several of us are bringing the food, drinks, etc. We're making our own t shirts & bumper stickers too.

I just talked to a Clinton supporter, & they're not doing any of that locally, just relying on the National Campaign. :crazy:

dg

[SoFlaJet]

39. those are Bill Clinton's words

from last week "she's been running on a shoestring"

[Debi]

43. She put out a fund raising email complaining about Obama outspending her

in Wisconsin 4 to 1. Yeah, he probably did. And I bet he PAID those bills too. After a while I'm sure people quit giving food/supplies/insurance/hotel rooms, etc. for free. :shrug:

[WolverineDG]

45. Maybe in ad buys???

I don't know what they're spending money on locally, other than rent/utilities for the office, staff, & the event sites. Since Texas is only a 3 week run, you can probably get away with people donating stuff, but in the earlier states, where you're there for months (years), that kinda runs out after a while.

I see lots of Clinton ads locally, so she (& her surrogates)shouldn't be crabbing about being outspent in that area at least. Unless it's just another thing to whine about---how the boys are mean & spend more money than she can :eyes: )

dg

[Debi]

47. Ohhhh No, she knows how to spend the money....

that didn't seem to be the problem.

Paying the bills? That's another issue.

Iowa is cheap - the Clinton campaign didn't plan well for Iowa. She over paid staff (if one campaign was paying $1,200 a month for field staff the Clinton camp would pay $2,000 a month) and she hired more staff than any other campaign. Her headquarters were more expensive than other campaigns and her events were more 'staged' than other campaigns. It wasn't necessary. It was over the top. It does not cost $130 million to run for President in Iowa.

[GumboYaYa]

27. It infuriates me the way Democratic political consultants get paid.

They get paid a percentage of the ad buys. Of course they always recommend investing heavily early in ad buys. That is the genius strategy that sunk Hillary and Dean...spend early, create a sense of inevitability. Don't spend money building field organizations in later states.

I was furious when Trippi walked away with so much of our money from the Dean campaign, yet Dean did not have the money to stay in the race.

It is a giant scam. I guaranty you that Hillary will not get out of the race until she and her insider friends have gotten all their money out.

[Debi]

28. But she's not naive.

She knew how Penn operated and still hired him and let him spend spend spend.

[Divernan]

32. Deadbeat candidates hurt all the other candidates in their party.

So Clinton is hurting all the other Dem candidates in the communities where she stiffs small business people. Cause they'll tell all their friends and neighbors and customers.

[Debi]

33. Not just the candidates but the local parties

She stiffed my local Boys & Girls club for $1,000 and our local fairgrounds for $2,900 (where Bill spoke). Now how much do you think it's going to cost when a local candidate or party wants to hold an event there? Those places have to make up the $$ they lost because of the Clinton's irresponsiblity. x(


They stiffed the BOYS & GIRLS CLUB! GEEZ .

[Adelante]

34. Wow, Bill Clinton is a huge supporter of Boys & Girls Clubs

Uh oh.

[Debi]

37. Not only Black Hawk County Boys and Girls Club but Sioux County's as well

Those clubs don't really have the $$ to shrug off a $1,000 bill. Just look at the list of debts - these aren't recently incurred bills either - some of these bills are outstanding from early summer. The Clinton campaign has just ignored their financial obligation (including to small schools around the state as well). And not only did they not pay taxes in Iowa but in Arkansas and Connecticut too - just go to the link. It's unimaginably irresponsible behavior for a national campaign.

[grantcart]

38. They are reporting that total debt for Clinton campaign is $ 7.6 million

do you have a link for that?

[Debi]

40. Here's a link to the FEC page for Clinton

I don't think her $5 million loan is part of that $7.6 million debt, I think it's in addition to the debt.

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M2/C00431569.html

[grantcart]

41. It doesn't show Penn's obligation other.

Thanks I don't understand it shows that they are still 10+million in the black?

[Debi]

42. General Elections funds

$$ she can show as cash on hand but cannot spend in the primary (smoke and mirrors basically)

The debt to Penn is noted in her 19 page list of unpaid bills.

[sniffa]

49. And she didn't even tip that waitress

K&R

[PADemD]

51. She hired the Boston Symphony Orchestra for a campaign?

[Debi]

54. I don't have a problem with that -

If her campaign had the $$ to do it.

It's the debt incurred AND NOT PAID that bugs me.

[PADemD]

52. Iowans better start demanding cash in advance

[Debi]

53. They will - but not from presidential candidates

from their local candidates and parties - AND they'll charge more to make up for the loss - THANKS ALOT Clinton campaign.