Local Democrats....

[BlackVelvet04]

I spoke to a friend who is agood friend with the head of the local Democratic group and she said that if Obama gets the nomination she is resigning as she won't vote for him in the G.E. When you join the local Democratic Committee you sign a pledge to vote for the Democratic nominee and she feels she can't live up to that pledge.

I'm hearing that from quite a few people locally.

[goldcanyonaz]

1. I've been hearing that from many women as of late. She's not alone.

[rodeodance]

64. I have to say--i am surprized by the number of people (outside this board) who

have brought up the same issue. its been the last month or so.

[paperbag_ princess]

72. oh... they are just depressed because of their cycle

...they will get over it and fall in line

:sarcasm:

[rodeodance]

82. glad to see your sarcasism button on--you almost got a nasty:-)

[goldcanyonaz]

107. LOL! remove the sarcasm insert and that type of response is typical around here.

[scheming daemons]

2. yeah.... ok........

:eyes:


She'll vote for McCain...... sure.

[BlackVelvet04]

6. No, dork, she won't vote at all. n/t

[cd3dem]

21. write in Hillary Clinton

[BlackVelvet04]

40. She might do that....

I didn't ask. My friend that she was talking to will write in Hillary's name.

[rodeodance]

37. what a silly ASSumption you make. we are talking about Democrats here!

[blogslut]

3. Well, that's her problem isn't it?

I plan on voting for Hillary if she wins the nomination.

If your friend can't rise above her personal issues, then maybe she shouldn't be working for the Democratic party.

[TooBigaTent]

5. Are you saying that no one should push their "personal issues" if they want to

participate in the political process? then, how can (or more importantly) why should anyone articulate anything?

Or, are we supposed to keep our views to ourselves and simply vote for whomever the party elite put on the ballot?

[blogslut]

10. No

I'm saying that people who choose to abstain from the Democratic process have no right to complain.

The woman can write in a candidate.

[BlackVelvet04]

48. And she might do that.....

I didn't ask. My friend will write in Hillary's name as will I.

[BlackVelvet04]

8. Actually if it holds true with enough voters it becomes Obama's

problem.

[blogslut]

11. Okay

Threats are fun!

[BlackVelvet04]

32. No threat, just fact. n/t

[Arkansas Granny]

4. I'm sorry to hear that, but I take these kinds of reports with a grain

of salt and hope they will not carry through with their threat. It seems to me that a true Democrat would vote for the Democratic nominee whether it be Clinton or Obama. There is too much at stake for any Democrat to refuse to vote for either one of these highly qualified people just because they may not have been their favorite.

[BlackVelvet04]

7. it's much more than him not being the favorite....

and taking it with a grain of salt isn't very wise.

[cd3dem]

27. it isn't a threat...

I hear it all the time... Obama people threaten to protest if Obama isn't nominated.. even Obama has lead this way of thinking...

it isn't about whether your candidate was the nominee... it is about the dirty underhanded way Obama and his supporters have taken the party!

READ THE POST!

and for the given reasons, we would be better off without winning then with Obama...

[Arkansas Granny]

56. I read the post. I see nothing in the post that says Obama and

his supporters have used underhanded methods to take the party. I don't see any given reasons to convince me that we would be better off losing this election that winning with Obama. If you could provide me with some links to this information from a credible source I will read them and consider them. I prefer to use actual fact to form my opinions and not the report of a friend of a friend.

[cd3dem]

100. you do what you want based on your reality... and stop criticizing others who have their own..

you may not agree... but I helped organize our caucus and saw things... our chair has a sister who was chair in another city and there was voter fraud there... now I do not expect you to go on this b/c you do not know these people... but I do... and I trust them! this is just fraud...

then there is the race card swift-boating by the Obama campaign!

complaining if the super-delegates don't vote for him... his people will not vote... and making sexist remarks without regard!

no no no... you vote for the guy... your choice.....

do not trample on the honor of others... I would rather vote for a duck!

[SammyWinstonJack]

109. "I would rather vote for a duck!" Between Obama and a duck, the duck gets my vote.

:evilgrin:

[cd3dem]

115. This Duck would surely do a better job than Obama!

[rodeodance]

47. has nothing to do with being a favorite-

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

9. Well thank god...

we'll be getting lousy dems like that out of office.

[rodeodance]

42. so typical --just throw Dems under the bus cause you differ with them.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

106. Throw the dems under the bus?

No, I'm siding with the dems over the moral equivalent of a scab.

[rodeodance]

114. get off your moral high horse. They are DEMOCRATS--GET IT.

[cali]

12. yes, your little anecdote is sooo important. NOT

your little woeful tale is not reflected in polls or analysis. I know that disappoints you and that you'd like to see Obama lose if he's the nominee, but the vast majority of dems will vote for the dem nominee. And I have nothing but scorn for people who won't vote for the nominee. It's disgusting and they deserve it for being so self-absorbed. This election isn't all about them and their precious sensiblities. Thank the godess that most dems aren't like that.

[GoldieAZ49]

15. agreed, and the friend of a friend story line

is really lame.

It reminds me of the chain emails.

[BlackVelvet04]

24. Too bad....

she is the friend of a friend. Don't believe it? who the fuck cares.

[GoldieAZ49]

77. I don't believe it nor do I care.

now if it was a friend of your uncle's cousins daughter, well...yeah you get the drift

[BlackVelvet04]

85. Yeah, I get the drift...

you only believe what fits your Obama agenda.

Good luck with that.

[TooBigaTent]

19. Are you saying that it is "self-absorbed" to be discouraged that a conservative-right

candidate is (probably) going to represent our party in November?

Anyone who does not toe the party line is acting immature and selfishly?

There can be NO DISSENT from the views held by the party powerful?

Very Disappointing.

[BlackVelvet04]

26. Thank you...

exactly. I'll write in Hillary's name but I won't be party to voting for Obama.

[cali]

35. No. I'm saying that thinking that either Obama or Clinton

is a conservative right wing candidate is freakin' delusional. Period. And what's disappointing are those who are so feeble that they can't see the enormous and fucking critical differences between Clinton or Obama and McCain.

It's just pathetic.

[BlackVelvet04]

46. No it's not pathetic......

if she feels that way she's doing what she thinks is right. What if more republicans had refused to toe the party line and NOT voted for bush? They would be hailed as heroes here.

[cali]

61. that comparison is just

wacky. Out of kilter. Not even close to reality. And it's not about her and her oh so precious sensibilties. It's about the fucking Supreme Court. It life and death. And if she's so goddamn dense that she doesn't know that, good riddance.

[BlackVelvet04]

105. YOu can call it what you want....

it's a perfect example.

[BlackVelvet04]

51. Nice try...

it's not a tale of woe and if my "little anecdote" is heard all over the country you might find it is a very big problem.

It's not about self-absorption, it's about having the courage to not vote for someone you think will be a disaster.

[rodeodance]

79. scorn away

[mohc]

13. That's too bad I guess

We would have far more voters sitting out or flipping to the other side if Clinton is the nominee than we will with Obama, so its a relative issue. There will of course be those that will sit out, vote for McCain, or vote for some third party with Obama as our nominee. But regardless of what number of people that would be, it pales in comparison to the numbers we would see with Clinton as the nominee.

[OnionPatch]

30. This has been what I'm seeing, too.

I'm no youngster and have been working with the local Dem party, mostly older folks. None of them are making these sorts of claims and we are about evenly split between Obama and Hillary. However, young people that I work with and others I know are very excited about Obama. Some of them have told me they'll stay home if Hillary is the nominee. They see her as a continuation of the status quo. I don't agree with them, but I think you're right.

[ClayZ]

14. My 81 year old neighgbor across the street

called to tell me he thinks Obamah is going to get the nomination. He told Hillary at a booksigning, that he would vote for her. His wife is an OBAMA backer.

He has been a Democrat for a LONG time.

He said, "I hope Obama takes it by landslide"!

GOBAMA

[TAWS]

16. So if Hillary can't become president, no democrat can? n/t

[rodeodance]

89. OP did not say that---you are making an illogical leap of "logic"

[Iceburg]

17. Not suprized: I'm hearing same thing at the progressive Dem sites I go to

"BO and his followers have injected hate, misogyny, racism and intolerance in ...."
They are all seriously talking about staying at home or voting for McCain. Oldtimers too -- they have never seen the party so fractured.

[cd3dem]

20. exactly, makes you ashamed to call yourself a democrat

[rodeodance]

45. the sentifment is spreading --as yes based on the reasons you state.

[rodeodance]

94. thanks. I have not gone site-seeing lately.

[cd3dem]

18. Our senate district chair told me she didn't think she could vote for Obama either...

she is not running again as well... I have been asked to run... but I do not want to either.. If Obama is nominated, I do not plan to vote for him in the GE either... if he is our nominee I am hoping Bloomberg gets in the race... otherwise, I will write in Hillary Clinton...

I realize it may help McCain, but my honor is worth too much...

[tabasco]

23. Then you're a stupid idiot.

And so is your acquaintance.

[cd3dem]

29. this is exactly what we are talking about!!!!

Obama and his people bring the party to low levels...

[tabasco]

50. Tough.

If you won't help the rest of us uninstall the corrupt, murderous Bush regime, then YOU are part of the problem.

[tabasco]

58. You say you will not vote and then say others are stupid.

If you don't bother to vote because you expect someone to kiss your ass, you are a stupid idiot.

[Iceburg]

They mistakenly believe their street fighting/bullying ways work with mature adults/nt

[cd3dem]

78. We may need to get a new party when this is over...

Obama supporters compare Obama to Lincoln, but they are dividing the party not bringing unity!

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." --Abraham Lincoln

[Iceburg]

81. You are right ... we may be witnessing the birth of a new party/nt

[rodeodance]

52. this is attitude/behavior that is causing lots of the problem

[tabasco]

63. Threatening not to vote because you get your feelings hurt is the problem.

You threaten to stay home if Obama is the nominee and then claim that others are the problem.

The height of irony.

[rodeodance]

71. You obviously are not 'getting" it. try again. think about what is happening.

[tabasco]

75. I'm not the one threatening to stay home on election day.

That is YOU and other idiotic Hillary supporters who equate Obama with the murderous Bush regime.

[rodeodance]

88. Two points where you make ASSumptions. 1. other ways than staying home and

2---no one is -----equate Obama with the murderous Bush regime.


think before you post blabber

[tabasco]

111. The OP said he/she was considering not voting if Obama is the nominee.

To me, that means an Obama presidency is no better than a McCain/Bush presidency to the OP.

You seemed to concur with the OP's post so I made the bold assumption that was your opinion as well.

[tabasco]

66. You expect others to kiss your ass to help you do the right thing.

That's stupidity, immaturity, and apathy all wrapped into a neat little package.

[rodeodance]

69. bug off if you can't discuss this with some civility

[tabasco]

76. Truth hurts.

Boo hoo hoo.

[rodeodance]

91. no, its the profanity that i tire of.

[tabasco]

112. Then get net nanny or some program that will defend your virgin ears and eyes.

The internet is a rough place.

[cd3dem]

103. I refuse to vote for someone who plays dirty, just because he is a democrat!

[BlackVelvet04]

28. And that's the crux of the matter....

my honor is worth too much. I won't be like the bushbots who years later are filled with guilt for voting for an empty suit.

[cd3dem]

38. it is about honor... when I heard of voter fraud in my state... that was the last straw!

[anigbrowl]

22. A friend of a friend told me something, so it must be true

I guess this is the latest version of the old urban legend. Doubtless there are some long-time democrats who won't vote for Obama and will quit the party if he is selected. Well, that's a pity but I guess it's human nature. You can't please all of the people all of the time.

Nice try at moral blackmail though.

[BlackVelvet04]

31. No blackmail attempted......

just passing on something I found interesting. If you didn't, tough shit.

[anigbrowl]

90. Yeah, I've heard that one before.

It was tacked onto those spam emails saying things like 'He's a Muslim'.

[Barack_America]

25. So then you meant to say, Local "Democrats"

These people are not Democrats if they're willing to put candidate preference above achieving Democratic policies.

[BlackVelvet04]

36. Sure they are....

it might not suit YOUR agenda but they have been Democrats for a long time.

[Barack_America]

44. What are the main differences between...

Obama and Hillary's agendas and why do these differences make McCain a preferable candidate to Obama?

[BlackVelvet04]

53. Nobody said McCain was preferable to Obama, now did they? n/t

[Barack_America]

65. If you refuse to vote for the Dem, you are essentially voting for McCain.

And, in Texas, if you don't vote you're shooting your own district in the foot, considering the turnout in one election determines a district's value in the next.

[BlackVelvet04]

87. Nope, it doesn't.

If Obama is so mighty it won't matter.

[rodeodance]

93. no it doesn't . "If you refuse to vote for the Dem, you are essentially voting for McCain."

[rodeodance]

33. not supprized to hear that--as i have heard from many they write in or sit it out rather

than cast a vote for O.

[Debi]

34. That is incredibly myopic and undemocratic of your friend

"If I don't get my way I'm not gonna play"

Is this the kind of support for our Party Hillary Clinton encourages?

What a way to lead a party. For that attitude your friend should resign. She should not be in a position to influence people.

Sometimes we have to act like grown ups and support the nominee of the party even if they are not our first choice.

How absolutely childish.

[BlackVelvet04]

39. No, it's just not everyone is willing to sell out

to support just any nominee. Ask the bushbots how they feel about toeing the part line NOW. It doesn't take a grown up to follow the crowd.

[Debi]

57. Voting for the Democrat who has been selected by the majority of the party voters

to lead our party is NOT selling out.

What a ridiculous statement. Think about it.

There can't be three or four nominees there can only be one. Which is why we have the primary process. That person becomes the standard bearer for the Party. Not every one is 100% over-joyed by the selection but AS DEMOCRATS we realize that it is in the best interest of our party to work together for the good of the party. We support the person who WON THE NOMINATION.

If all the Biden, Dodd, Richardson, Kucinich, Edwards even Gravel supporters decided not to vote in the general election because THEIR candidate of choice was not on the ballot NO Democrat could win. Is that what you are suggesting? That only the primary supporters of the nominee vote for them? You are dooming the party to failure with your garbage talk.

Bill Clinton said something to the effect of first Democrats fall in love and then they fall in line. (To do anything less is childish and selfish).

Sellout - baloney - It doesn't take a grown up to know what's right for the Party as a whole and not believe that the Democratic world doesn't revolve around just their wishes.

[rodeodance]

60. you have not been listening to the conversation about this issue have you.

[Debi]

68. Write in votes are for losers.

Period.

Want to lose the election for the Democatic Party.

Write in your candidate if they're not the nominee.

I don't care who floated this idea.

It's a loser.

[anamandujano]

74. Michelle Obama said likewise if her husband didn't win, into

a microphone even, not just to a friend.

Spin that one.

[Debi]

92. I'm betting she was already informed that there's not much wisdom in those words

I'll also bet that for the good of the Party Michelle will vote for the Democrat come November.

[WolverineDG]

41. Then she's not a democrat

And besides, I call bullshit on this emotional blackmail/drama queening. It's immature & pretty pathetic.

If Obama doesn't get the nod, then I'll vote for Hillary. I probably won't do any campaigning for her, but I will at least vote.

dg

[BlackVelvet04]

43. I don't really give a shit what you call bullshit on...

I've never made shit up to make a post and won't start now. Believe it or don't believe it, I really don't care.

She's been a democrat probably longing than you've been alive. She's just not willing to sell her soul to toe the party line. Would that more republicans had felt that way and not voted for bush.

How many times have people slammed the republicans for supporting bush JUST because he's a republican? If you have then you're a hypocrite.

[WolverineDG]

54. Then you don't know squat

I know who she's working with down here in Texas to get elected. She wouldn't go near any of them with a 10-foot pole if she hadn't already sold her soul.

dg

[BlackVelvet04]

62. Oh, please, with the outrage....

Obama is buddies with an indicted thug.

[rodeodance]

55. hey ding ding--write-ins.

[Debi]

59. That'd be great.

Insure the loss of the Democratic nominee AND the write-in candidate.

But at least YOU'D feel good about yourself.

[rodeodance]

67. its cause people are NOT feeling good about what is happening that is the issue.

[Debi]

70. What is happening?

Their candidate isn't winning?

Well, can't have THAT happen.

Let's make sure ALL Democrats get screwed becaue MY candidate isn't the nominee.

Give me a break.

[rodeodance]

73. no, this does not have to do with the fact that she is down at the moment.--for holding her own

[Debi]

84. Purposely attempting to destroy the general election for the Democrats solely because your candidate

is not the nominee is selfish. I don't care who is up or down at the moment. That is just a terrible thing to do to the Party. Every person who is running for U.S. Senate, U.S. Congress, Governor and State Legislature is relying on Democratic voters to go out and vote for the Democratic ticket.

To actually decide to sit at home and pout or to 'write in' for President is ridiculous.

Do you think those actions will get your candidate elected? Not in 2008, guaranteed. And if it's an actual organized effort to sink the Democratic nominee - not in 2012 or 2016 either.

What childish behavior.

[rodeodance]

97. Please think of what is going on in these primaries that leads to people

making these decisions before you cast judgement.

[Debi]

99. And there's no difference in those two actions?

Name calling

vs.

Attempting to undermine the will of the majority of the Democratic voters leaving America with four more years of republcian rule.

Hmmmmmm. :think:

[surfermaw]

49. Women vote for Clinton...because they thing her nomination would help theri daughters and granddaut'

It is goning to be hard to get some women to vote for a man, if Hillary is nominated, and let me tell you some had better be courting them... I was Edwards since he ran for the Senate, and don't feel that way because my girls both daughters and granddaughters are doing fairly well. But you better remember some women don't feel that way....

[Arugula Latte]

80. OOOOOoooooh!!

OMG, I'm totally re-thinking my choice of Obama now!!

.

Not really.

Works both ways, dontcha know? Plenty of people won't vote for Hillary in the general ---> Plenty. I've heard more of the "won't-vote-for-Hillary-no-matter-what" than I've heard "won't-vote-for-Obama."

[BlackVelvet04]

83. And I believe you heard those things....

I was passing on what I heard.

[DuaneBidoux]

86. As long as they do drop out that's fine. That'll leave the people who can do what is right.

[rodeodance]

95. you have no clue do you.

[DuaneBidoux]

118. I have enough to say go suck on something...

[SoxFan]

96. Don't let the door hit her ass on the way out

[rodeodance]

101. not willing to engage in a discussion are you!!

[LadyVT]

98. Yup. We will write in Hillary's name in November.

[cd3dem]

102. it is the only way to send the message to the DNC that they cannot control us!!!

I blame Dean and the DNC as much as anyone! We need to stop shooting ourselves in the foot!

[Capn Sunshine]

104. You actually think helping MCCain win is noble? So Hillary can run in 2012?

That explains a LOT about your work ethic for Kerry.

Too bad Obama's strategy takes this into account and our math shows we can win anyway.

So don't vote for him, you can go down in history like the Neocons who are sitting it out because their boy Romney didn't get it.

[cd3dem]

108. Obama is worse than McCain! There I said it!

McCain can only ruin the country!

Obama is ruining the democrat party and he will then ruin the country!

My vote cannot be swindled!

[Tresalisa]

110. Alarming, yes, but

I tend to think that in the heat of the campaign many people who support one candidate over another will say things like that, but will eventually calm down and realize they're not doing us any good by this. I'm not saying they don't have their principles, but it hurts when your candidate gets knocked out. I said the same thing about my favorite, Kucinich.

:shrug:

[no name no slogan]

113. I heard the same shit about Gore in 2000.

And I heard it about Clinton in 1992, from a Harkin supporter.
And did I mention I also heard it about Dukakis in 1988, from a Gephardt backer?

Lots of people have a lot of smoke they feel the need to blow up other peoples' asses. I would file this story in the same category.

[Renew Deal]

116. Tell her to spare the drama and leave now.

She's as much a Democrat as Ronald Reagan. She will not be missed.

[NMMNG]

117. Tell her to do what she feels is ethically right

And don't let anybody else try to tell you otherwise.