"Obama's New Vulnerability"

[zabet]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120355939956381797.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

"In campaigns, there are sometimes moments when candidates shift ground, causing the race to change dramatically. Tuesday night was one of those moments.
Hammered for the 10th contest in a row, Hillary Clinton toughened her attacks on Barack Obama, saying he was unready to be commander in chief and unable to back his inspiring words with a record of action and leadership."

<snip>

"The truth is that Mr. Obama is unwilling to challenge special interests if they represent the financial and political muscle of the Democratic left. He says yes to the lobbyists of the AFL-CIO when they demand card-check legislation to take away the right of workers to have a secret ballot in unionization efforts, or when they oppose trade deals. He won't break with trial lawyers, even when they demand the ability to sue telecom companies that make it possible for intelligence agencies to intercept communications between terrorists abroad. And he is now going out of his way to proclaim fidelity to the educational unions. This is a disappointment since he'd earlier indicated an openness to education reform. Mr. Obama backs their agenda down the line, even calling for an end to testing, which is the only way parents can know with confidence whether their children are learning and their schools working.
These stands represent not just policy vulnerabilities, but also a real danger to Mr. Obama's credibility and authenticity. He cannot proclaim his goal is the end of influence for lobbies if the only influences he seeks to end are lobbies of the center and the right.

The road to the presidency just got steeper for Barack Obama, and all because he pivoted on Tuesday night."


By Karl Rove

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The right wing has coalesced behind McCain now, they
are setting their sights on the Dems, especially Obama.
He is fresh game, they are tired of chewing on Hillary.

[Bicoastal]

1. Whatever, KARL...

[mrreowwr_kittty]

2. ZOMG!! Kkkarl thinks Obama is too liberal! WE'RE DOOOMED!!!1!11!ELEVEN

[tabatha]

3. Funny, Scott Ritter supports Obama.

I respect Ritter more than Rove.

[scheming daemons]

4. Well... If Karl says it, it must be true.....

:eyes:

[zabet]

10. After all the things that DUers have

attributed to Rove being in
control of, you would think
they would read this for what
it is....more mind fuck from
Rove.
BUT NO...Obama supporters just
get angry that something was said
about Obama, not that Rove and the
Republicans are trying to screw this
election around by swaying opinions,
and in turn screw the Democratic Party.
It is ALL Obama ALL the time with some
people. :eyes:

[cali]

13. Sorry, I've never thought that kkkarl was some demon mastermind

I've always seen him as a pedestrian hack who had some luck, and a dishonest little man.

[zabet]

15. That may be true but,

he has a large following.
Even the ones that hate McCain
will support him if Rove says to.

[malletgirl02]

16. I agree

Karl Rove is not as smart as people think he is.

[jillan]

19. They better wake up. The attacks are going to start flying at Obama.

I hope he is ready.
I would really like to see a Dem in the WH for a change.

[zabet]

21. They refuse to see it.

Here is an article that
basically lays out an attack
plan on Obama for anyone who
cares to use it.
All they see is the author and
the fact it does not praise Obama.

[ieoeja]

30. Did you even read your excerpts?

They are criticizing him for ... not standing up to labor unions.

What reaction do you expect here? "Ohmigod! Obama doesn't oppose unions. We must vote for Hillary who will finish off the labor unions once and for all."

On the contrary, the reason many people at DU support Obama is because they fear that is exactly what Hillary will do. Perhaps it escaped your attention, but this is DemocraticUnderground.com not ConservativeUnderground.com. We actually prefer a candidate who supports labor unions.

[zabet]

34. Yes, did you read the whole article?

Obama drew in independent and
disgruntled republican voters with
unity and bipartisanshop talk. If
it is shown that it is all talk, that
he is truly leftist-liberal, he will
lose that independent and disgruntled
republican vote in the GE.

Why cannot a single Obama supporter
see past the 'criticism' of Obama in
the article and see it for what it is.
Rove is poisoning the cross-over voters'
well.

[ieoeja]

46. I can see past that just fine.

Republicans are going to attack Democrats for being Democrats. Glad you told us. It never occurred to me they might try to paint our eventual nominee as being outside the mainstream.

I'm shocked they didn't try that in 2004. Or 2000. Or 1996, 1992, 1988, 1984, 1980, 1976....

:sarcasm:

[jillan]

35. I watched Fux news last nite for about 10 minutes - just to see what they

were saying about him.

They were going after Michelle big time.

We need to be smarter than we were in 2004.

[scheming daemons]

28. Don't worry.... Axelrod and Company are ready....

...much better prepared in their "war room" than in Mark Penn's.

[jillan]

37. As long as they are more prepared than those on Kerry's team in 2004.

[Cha]

56. Sorry, you're upset about

someone real being our president.

[John Q. Citizen]

5. Good. Obama will be our next president. I like that.

[Big Blue Marble]

6. Why? Why? Why

would you have a Karl Rove piece on DU. This is disgusting.
Do we need rules here to keep this crap off of DU?

No one should be posting RW BS on this site. Period.

[zabet]

12. Read post 10.

That is why. Show some
concern for the Democratic
Party, not just your candidate.

[99th_Monkey]

18. Unless you are personally challenged by Rove's pontifications, why do you care?

It's important to know what the "enemy" is thinking, what they're saying, however stupid or
misguided it is. To demand censorship of RW opinion quoted in context amounts to wanting to
dumb down our ability to "know thy enemy", and that would be unfortunate.

[zabet]

27. Thank you.

:applause:

[Big Blue Marble]

53. This is not about finding out what the enemy is thinking.

This piece is written to weaken Obama. It is a hit piece. Rove wants to run against Clinton.
If he wanted to run against Obama, he would not be saying anything about him
until after Obama won the nomination. Then he would attack,

Rove is dumb like a fox. Or did you miss that over the last 8 years.

It is more than repulsive that the man we have been anguishing over for all these
years is being used on DU to weaken a Democrat. I find it disgusting
that you have jumped in to justify it.

[99th_Monkey]

55. You can be "digusted" all you want, that's your problem

Look, I'm an Obama supporter ok? I started out supporting Kucinich, then when he dropped out, supported Edwards, etc.

I agree with you that the Neocons want in the worst way to run against Billary, and that's why he's spouting this nonsense
about Obama and the lobbyists. I've been onto the Neocon's "backdooring" Hillary all along, and have posted lots about this,
as well as my strong aversion to any continuation of the Bush/Clinton Dynasty on my watch.

But I'm not so sheltered or fragile in my beliefs that I'm going to get all, like "offended" or "disgusted" by someone using DU
to let me know about what the fuck Rove is up to, and what he's saying.

Geez, it's just information. get over yourself.

[anigbrowl]

7. You're quoting a Karl Rove op-ed with demonstrable falsehoods?!

For example, Obama specifically said in his speech that he was in favor of testing, but didn't think that test-coaching should be the priority in classrooms. Rove 'interprets' that to mean Obama's against testing. Well, I guess owning an umbrella means you want the government to make it stop raining.

I'm quietly confident that Obama can fend off this and many other kinds of BS that get thrown at him.

[casus belli]

8. If this is all they've got, they're in trouble...

Obama has already taken several direct hits that question his credibility and authenticity, and I think his campaign has proven that he is effective at countering those types of accusations. If they are going to hammer him on the sames themes that he has already been fighting in the primary, then they are going to have their rears handed to them in the GE.

[pocoloco]

9. Would Karl be this funny dong stand-up??

[cali]

11. LOL! KKKarl?

gads, you folks are really desperate. heaven knows what depths of the sewer you'll be trolling if she loses TX.

[zabet]

14. Read post 10.

Cali you always cry support
of the Democratic party, you
of all people should see this
for what it is. Rove is again
trying to help the Republicans
by swaying opinion. This is more
about Party than Candidate.

[babylonsister]

40. Seems like you're trying to sway opinion, but you have a really

whacked way of going about it.

[madrchsod]

17. his insight`s are so precious

how can a day be fulfilled with out the wit and wisdom of karl...

[babylonsister]

20. Cripes, now you're posting Rove poo-poo? Ugh. Yea, he lost

it all on Tuesday; what a sorry performance and those primary results! Ack! Could Obama get any worse? :eyes:

[zabet]

23. Yeah, it is bad strategy

to know what your
opposition is up to.
:sarcasm:

[mckara]

22. Wouldn't You Love to Kick Karl Rove's Ass?

I hope to meet Karl one day, and see how "tough" he really is. 10 to 1 he squeals like a little piggy whenever he receives a punch. :patriot:

[zabet]

26. Yes I would!

:patriot:

:hi:

[dionysus]

24. you're actually posting an article by ROVE?!?!?

[zabet]

25. This should not be that big a deal...

if this article slammed Hillary
or laid out an attack on Hillary,
it would be on the top of the
greatest page by now.

[Big Blue Marble]

32. That is BS.

Stop sounding so victimized. I would be just as repulsed if someone posted KR to
go after HRC. So would others. You are so wrong to do this. I cannot express how
strongly I feel about your posting KR crap on this site.

[zabet]

41. Look around you.

I recall a hitler photoshop of Hillary
posted here. I have never seen the hate
for a candidate ever like I have seen for
Hillary here. She gets worse press on DU
than chimpy. I cannot strongly express my
disgust strongly enough about that.
What I posted is not BS. Obama supporters
outnumber Hillary supporters here 3 to 1.
Stands to reason that mostly pro-Obama and
anti-Hillary threads get voted up to the
greatest page.
Last but not least, refute the article. I
just posted it. If you read the entire thread
you will see this is more than just a hit piece
by Rove, it is the verification of the solidification
of the right-wing coming together behind McCain.
Take the Obama blinders off and see that this is
about party, not candidate. Rove can sway the
independents and the disgruntled republicans
that Obama is getting in the open primaries.
If he wins the nomination and does not keep these
cross-over voters....McCain will win the White House.

[Big Blue Marble]

51. Blah, blah, blah....................

You sound even more like a victim. Yes both of our candidates have taken
some pretty hard hits here. Hillary people have given as good as they got.

The only way you would know that there are more Obama supporters is
because of polls. The trash talk coming from her side is at least as
frequent as any from the Obama people.

What is your point in posting this? To warn us that we should not nominate
Obama?

Do you think that Rove and company will go lightly on Hillary? Do you understand
that it is more likely that McCain could be president, if she is our nominee?

Do you see the polls? Do you see the results in the primaries. Or do
you bury your head in right wing commentary to find attacks on Democrats?

[tishaLA]

29. So Obama's "problem" is that he has solidified

relationships with traditional Democratic groups, like unions? I wish all candidates were damned in the same way.

[zabet]

31. This could be a problem in the GE

especially since the 'unity' and
'bipartisanship' spiel drew in
independents and disgruntled
republicans. If Obama is portrayed
as a bipartisan in leftist-liberal
clothing, he will lose that independent
and disgruntled republican vote.

[tishaLA]

36. I think he has demonstrated that he is adroit enough

to woo independents and bring traditional Democrats into the fold. I think it will depend upon whether he can demonstrate his ability to reach across the aisle. We know McCain is an arch conservative, for example; it will be easy to paint him into that corner.

[zabet]

42. He can woo them but,

can he keep them. McCain is not
an arch conservative, do not fool
yourself like that. He is not even
considered a conservative by his own
party. He is too liberal for them and
they do not like his attempts at
bipartisanship.

[tishaLA]

45. Of course McCain is an arch conservative

He isn't considered a conservative because he used to oppose torture and doesn't favor deporting millions of undocumented people. Look at his record on abortion, LGBT rights, affirmative action, trade, Iraq (and other foreign policy), etc.

[totodeinhere]

33. If KKK Rove says that then Obama must be a great candidate,

and Senator Obama deserves our vote.

[LSK]

38. so according to Rove - We The People = Lobbyists

Ok....

:crazy:

[jenmito]

39. They're not "tired of chewing on Hillary." They think she won't be our nominee

and they want to help her out so she WILL be our nominee. They're scared to death of Obama.

[zabet]

43. I disagree.

I think they have focused
on him less until now because
they figure he is easy prey.

[jenmito]

47. If they think he's easy prey, wouldn't they NOT go after him until AFTER he's the nominee? n/t

[Big Blue Marble]

48. Thank you for making an excellent point.

They want him out now. They want to run against Clinton. They have
the strategy ready for Clinton. They think they can beat her.

They do not know how to beat Obama.

[jenmito]

50. Thank YOU for thanking ME!

:hi: Yup, that's how I feel.

[Coexist]

44. rofl!

"He won't break with trial lawyers, even when they demand the ability to sue telecom companies that make it possible for intelligence agencies to intercept communications between terrorists abroad."


oooooooooh, the naaaaaaaaaaasty, naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasty man...

[BringBigDogBack]

49. roflwaffles

when I want Karl Rove's opinion, I'll kill myself.

[Hieronymus]

52. OOOOOOOO, Karl Rove .. Wow.

[loveangelc]

54. haha karl rove sucks. he is not some super genius like people say.

i knew once he said obama and hillary would be close in wisconsin obama would win big. haha.

[Kaylee]

57. By Karl Rove!!!!.......

why would you even post an article by him?