Honestly... please, Obama supporters please be gracious

[jesus_of_suburbia]

I'm a Hillay supporter who no longer thinks she can win Texas and Ohio.


Quit being so mean. 50% of you seem like Karl Rove. I will not accept your fake
pandering once Obama has the nom.

It's unbelievable how mean some of you are.



By the way, other non-political websites I visit have very gracious Obama fans.

I would say that those who are so nasty to Hillary are Freepers, but many of them are respected
members.



Are you gonna be the devil until your chosen one wins, and then expect us to forget all the s*it you flung at us?

Get real. It is VERY offensive the way some of you have been behaving.

And I know that a few are trolls/// but not MOST.

[anigbrowl]

1. I'm all for being nice, because we need to work together

In the meantime, I'd also appreciate if you would discourage a few hyper-partisan Clinton supporters from themselves quoting Karl Rove and suchlike. Extremism of any kind is a bad thing.

[JimGinPA]

2. Gee...

I thought trash talking was a superhighway, not a one-way street.


:eyes:

[eissa]

3. I think I've been quite nice

if I do say so myself! I've said repeatedly that we are all in the same boat. We may have our preferred candidates, but I'm hopeful that we can come together in November and vote for our nominee. That is ALL that matters.

[pbca]

4. I don't think I've been mean yet

But I've been accused of being a freeper and a sexist, been called naive and gullible and any number of other things for supporting Obama. It has definitely cut both ways.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

62. If you've been accused of being a freeper and a sexist - I wouldn't say you're being nice.

Maybe you need to figure out why you are being called that. There could be something to it.

or do you mean that people are accusing ALL Obama supporters of being freepers and sexists?

[apocalypsehow]

73. "Maybe you need to figure out why you are being called that."

Blame the victim much?

[scheming daemons]

5. "50% of you seem like Karl Rove"

....and yet, Hillary supporters are starting threads using opinion columns written by Karl Rove.


Sorry.... I've had just as much "s*it" flung at me by Clinton supporters. Should she get the nomination, I'd feel the same about them as you feel about Obama supporters.

[Lisa0825]

7. Thank you daemons.

To the OP:

I think I have been nice to Hillary supporters who have been nice to me. I have at times gone off on some of the worst until I put them on ignore.

The antics go both ways, and I am really tired of people acting like it is all us, because it is NOT.

If you can plead with those in your camp who delight in posting right wing trash and other intentionally inflammatory things, then fewer of us will take the bait. FWIW, I have alerted on at least 5 threads AGAINST Hillary in the past 24 hours. I don't like to see that stuff coming from people claiming to be Obama supporters either.

I actually think things have gotten a bit better lately. I hope that is a trend that will continue.

:pals: ?

[jesus_of_suburbia]

9. I hug you too babe, and I WILL fight for Obama.

*hugs*

[Barack_America]

10. Check out my new sig line.

Yes, this is a direct quote from that site.

[Catherine Vincent]

47. Just to remind you, O supporters started threads using opinion columns by Rove.

Just a friendly reminder.

[apocalypsehow]

72. Exactly right - that's been my experience, too.

n/t

[THUNDER HANDS]

6. I've been mean at times, I admit that

but I think of this more as a game here. I don't take anything any Hillary supporter says seriously when they get into it. Oftentimes people need outlets for their anger and frustration.

That's the beauty of DU, it's one part information resource, one part love-in, one part backroom brawl, and one part freakshow.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

12. Just be kind to my Hillary if she loses, I will fight for OUR Barack

should he win!

[jesus_of_suburbia]

8. Was this the same with Dean in '04?

I wasn't as politcally active then.

8 years of dumbass made me VERY interested in politics.

AND you can BET YOUR ASS I'll campaign for Mr Obama if he wins.





Is this nastiness par for the course?

[Lisa0825]

11. I took a lot of the same heat for being a "Deaniac"

as I get know as an Obama supporter. I think it has been much more contentious thins time, however, but it is also a much tighter race.

Hang in there... it won't be too much longer, and then we'll (hopefully) all be on the same side.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

14. ANYBODY WHO IS NOT ON THE SAME SIDE AT THE END

is not a Democrat.

I'm just upset at all the people who are so mad at Hillary.


Let me say this (as a Hillary supporter)

Barack is very attractive to me because he never supported the war in Iraq.




I'm just so upset about all the division right now.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. Sometimes Party Loyalty Asks Too Much And Given My Moniker I'm Choking On Those Words

~

[eissa]

15. I'm glad you asked

because it was the reason I left DU for so long. I was a "Deanie" and boy did it get vicious in here, especially with Kerry supporters. Still, after Kerry got the nomination, I and of course most others, fell in line behind our candidate. But there were a handful that just couldn't let it go. What did it for me was Kerry's loss. I was devastated. And instead of coming here to have a shoulder to cry on with my fellow dems, we had to put up with some people saying, "I told you so!" or "If only my candidate was elected we would have won!" Blah.

So, yeah, I guess the nastiness is "par for the course", but it doesn't make it any less frustrating.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

19. Thanks, eissa

I won't be posting any "I told you so's" if McCain wins.


It is frustrating though when our brothers and sisters are nasty.


Stay here... I will!


There are more opinions than the majority here.

Let me make it clear to everyone though. I will ALWAYS vote for the Dem nominee.

And furthermore, I will be SO HAPPY if Barack Obama wins the Presidency!

[grantcart]

13. In our manner we should be willing to absorb some irrational

diatribes because our opponents were deeply invested and it is going to take time for them to vent

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. Fuck That

I want my enemies to declare themselves...

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

17. Wait... Which Ones Of The Shit Flingers Are Respected Members?

I haven't seen them...

[Mz Pip]

18. I have no interest in being rude.

First of all, Obama has not won yet. He's got a good chance but this primary has taught me that anything can happen.

Besides, I don't hate Hillary; never did. I just like Obama better. If she ends up pulling this off I'll be first in line to slap a Hillary "08 bumper sticker on my car.

Anybody but McCain.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

20. "Anybody but McCain"

Amen, Sister!

(BTW, I'm not very religious, hehe)

[Thrill]

21. Do you totally miss the hateful post from Hillary supporters?

You know the ones who claim he's a stuttering idiot or that they would love for the media to tear him apart, or the empty suit BS? Is it ok for them to do that?

[RememberWellstone]

24. Got a link?

Most of us Hill supporters are sick of this Obama brow beating, I have not seen near as many Hill supports being hatefilled as the Obamites.

[babylonsister]

25. Try this, written by Karl Rove, no less:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4699422

[apocalypsehow]

74. Oh, but when you supply them with links, solid evidence, and proof, the Bully Squads of the Clinton

crowd here at DU never seems to get back with you - just move on to the next smear.

[LittleClarkie]

67. The ones where they call Obama supporters Obama babies or Obama puppies

The ones where they mock the whole cult thing. The preemptive strikes about Hillary haters.

It's both sides. When you support one or the other it only looks one sided. Your perception gets warped.

But I do get sick of the attack/play victim thing. It's so passive aggressive.

[apocalypsehow]

82. It's ok for them because Senator Obama is not their candidate - but say one negative word about

Clinton and the thundering herd starts squawking "sexist! woman-hater! misogynist!"

[David Zephyr]

It's been a tough (and close) primary. Your post is good advice.

I've been on the losing side in too many campaigns to mention.

That said, this contest went out far longer than anyone ever imagined.

And it has been very close.

As an Obama supporter, I don't see a lot to gloat about. It has been a very close race.

And Hillary has shown she can go the distance. I admire that.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

26. And you are a gentleman, sir

You are on the 50% side that is gracious.

[Perry Logan]

22. An Obama supporter being gracious would be like a dog walking on its hind legs...

One doesn't expect it to be done well; one is simply surprised to see it done at all.

(With apologies to Samuel Johnson.)

[JerseygirlCT]

76. See now, that response isn't at all helpful. Did it feel good to

throw it out there?

[FrenchieCat]

23. Odd. When I read these boards, I find Hillary's supporters to be

much more personal in their attacks, for the most part.

In fact, I find the incessant pushing of the snub, the cult, the plagiarism, the McCulkin issue, M.O. pride, alleging empty suit rethorics and non stop dogging on Rekzo to have shown me exactly who's who here.

It appears that the topics above are much more important to most Hillary supporters than are Why we went to war, the use of Cluster bombs, and why the 1990s Clinton administration (NAFTA, DOMA, Telecom Act, Welfare Reform, losing congress till 2006, scandals galore and impeachment, etc...) wasn't really all that.

I am fascinated but not amused.

[AtomicKitten]

28. what you said

:thumbsup:

[jesus_of_suburbia]

29. And you, mam or sir,

are full of it.

[FrenchieCat]

35. Ah, must be a Clinton supporter supporting my thesis.......

of being "personal" when it isn't required.

so I Thank you.

[totodeinhere]

43. Perhaps you should take some of your own advice.

It's two way street after all.

[corkhead]

49. given the nature of your op, I was shocked to read this post. What a hypocrite!

Oh please be nice to us, then a senseless insult like that. Frenchycat had valid points and to dismiss them like you did tells me you are not yet where you are asking the non hillary worshiping crowd to be.

you need should think about leading by example when you make assertions like you did in your original op

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

60. Shocked? Really?

There was a similar thread yesterday where the OP started calling everybody trolls who didn't kiss his/her ass. Started attacking newbies, of the irony was hysterical.

[noiretextatique]

55. there are idiots in both camps

someone just attacked me in another thread for saying obama will get same treatment from the rw as any other democrat if he is the nominee.
i am not an obama or a clinton devotee, but both sides are equally to blame for the continued drama here. there are shit-distubers on both sides.

[apocalypsehow]

81. Precisely.

n/t

[JVS]

27. Not until it's over. We gotta keep fighting the smear machine until then.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

30. So you don't give a fuck about Hillary supporters?

You will tar and feather her till the very end?

[JVS]

33. Not when Hillary supporters continue to try to smear Obama

If they think she still has a chance and are trying to fuck over the candidate who will win, I'll play along. Fuck them!

[DuaneBidoux]

31. I'm an Obama supporter and I understand the passion of believing in someone and the possibility...

of not having your dream come true.

Let me apologize for any of the mean things you have felt directed at others or you, no party or belief has a lock on assholes!

If Clinton wins, I will enthusiastically support her, if Obama wins I will enthusiastically support him. I hope everyone here can find it in their heart to do what is best for America (make sure another old white man (and I mean really old white man)stays out of the white house!).

[jesus_of_suburbia]

37. Thank you! I will enthusiastically support him too!

I mean that... I live in TN and I will support Mr Obama whole heartedly.


I appreciate your response.. and it means alot to me that you said it before 3-04 (when I do think that Hillary will be defeated).

[ginnyinWI]

34. well unless someone actually tabulates it--

I'd say each side sees what they want to see. It might be weighted on one side or the other for all I know. Don't think it's really worth worrying about.

Fact is, the "North" and the "South" are going to have to call off the Civil War and make peace soon, and all work hard for November. I think we all need to watch the rhetoric.

It hurts when people name-call and when they gloat. When people say nasty things, I put them on Ignore. I don't really like doing it and don't usually have an Ignore list, but it's a necessary part of getting through the primaries. I've got about 30 people on Ignore right now.

[Coexist]

39. there is a lot of venom on both sides.

but I hope in the end, we all try to get back together.

[cottonseed]

36. Is this real?

I don't want to seem like Karl Rove or the devil, but this is not how one proposes an olive branch.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

41. And how does one ask for an Olive Branch?

By declaring that they support the Republicans should they not get their way?


Go back to FreeRepublic.

[cottonseed]

52. Who hurt you? Why are you so angry?

I just found the tone of your post a bit off putting. You start by asking Obama supporters to be "gracious", and then proceed to a laundry list of things about them that you think stinks. That's all I was pointing out.

For instance:

"Quit being so mean. 50% of you seem like Karl Rove. I will not accept your fake pandering once Obama has the nom. It's unbelievable how mean some of you are."

You're asking them to quit being mean, while at the same time accusing half of them of being like Karl Rove and then stating you won't be accepting their "fake pandering".

You're not leaving people a lot of wiggle room for being gracious here.

[book_worm]

38. I'm all for all sides being nicer. It isn't just one set of supporters

[jesus_of_suburbia]

44. Do you really think Clinton supporters are as nasty as Obama supporters on DU?

REALLY?


LOL

[JerseygirlCT]

77. From where I sit, it definitely goes both ways. nt

[AGirl]

40. Hillary is *NOT* going to lose on March 4th.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

42. I hope you are correct

But I'm not as confident as you.

[AGirl]

45. It is all about confidence.

If you give in, than WE WILL LOSE.

According to the exit polls in Wiscousin, we still have an edge among white democrat women, we can keep our advantage and do better if WE BELIEVE.

[JVS]

51. Misplaced confidence

[JVS]

50. She's *NOT* going to win by enough to come back and she *IS* liable to lose a big state on 3/4

[knixphan]

46. Unite!

And see your real enemy...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pnac

[cbayer]

48. Anyone seen Rashomon?

Great Japanese film where a story is re-told from each participants perspective. And what you get is a wholly different story.

If you are the one being attacked, that is all you will see. You will most likely see the attackers from your side as merely defending you.

As a relatively neutral observer, I would say that some people from both camps have been unnecessarily aggressive and personal in some of their attacks. And this goes on even today.

And I don't think it's all just good fun, as a previous poster states. But he is one who is really quite a participant in these things. So that's his perspective, isn't it?

[Voice for Peace]

53. Good rule of thumb

If I wouldn't say it to a person's face, I'm not comfortable saying it behind their back, or on a message board.

Another thing: would the candidate I support want to have me quoted in support of them?
If not, is it really support?

I think if I'm truly supporting a candidate, I ought to respect their cause enough to communicate with dignity.

It's not only about making an effort to respect their opponent. Have some real respect for the person I'm defending.

[cbayer]

54. And there are many more here like you than there are "others".

thanks for your thoughtful post and welcome to DU.

[grace0418]

56. Just wanted to make sure you saw this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4701126

There are still sane people here.

:hi:

[Raine]

57. Vote your conscience...

for yourself, your party and your country. I don't understand why anyone would vote against their own best interest just because a candidate's supporters were rude to them. :shrug: Hillary's supporters treatment of me is the least of my concerns about her. If I want to give her my vote in the GE I will and NOTHING her supporters have posted will make me not vote for what I think is best.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

58. Excuse me?

You call us Karl Rove and expect us to be gracious?

Fuck that.

I haven't got time to be gracious, as soon as Obama's the official nominee, I'm digging into McCain and the former Clinton supporters can either join or get out of the way.

[COFoothills]

59. Yes...

...we are all on the same team here ultimately and once this primary season is over we are all going to need to work together to make sure we win in November and bring as many down ticket races with us. Whoever the nominee is.

[Guava Jelly]

61. I promise!

And I promise to smack down any gloaters who rub it in.
(btw love your screen name)

[sfam]

63. How 'bout we BOTH start being more gracious?

Absolutely agree that there's NO reason for Obama supporters to be mean, nasty, etc. Our candidates have pretty much sewn this up. In that I feel thrilled that my candidate - the one who I truly believe is by far the best one on either side to sit in the Oval Office at this moment in time - has almost wrapped this up, I also feel real sympathy for those who were just as fervently behind Hillary.

I totally get that some Hillary supporters may be despondent, angry, mad and otherwise filled with sour grapes right now, and for that reason, will definitely give them some slack. That said, there comes a time when both groups should stop the insanely nasty sniping.

My guess is that time past about 3 months ago. Better late than never though, ey?

[demokatgurrl]

64. OOPS!!! TOO LATE. N/T

[comradebillyboy]

65. asking Obama supporters to be gracious is a waste of time

they don't need people like us old Clinton backers to support their candidate. He can't possibly lose so why would he need us?

[apocalypsehow]

66. No thanks - I'm done with all that. In the course of the last 48 hours I've

1. Been deliberately lied about, the claim being I was "ridiculing" domestic abuse survivors. When definitive proof was offered that this was FALSE, there was a pallid "well, it wasn't him, BUT-" type "retraction."

2. Had a second whopping falsehood told about me, a falsehood that was demonstrably proven to have been on the part of a poster supporting the attacker. The proof was unequivocal: a retraction was asked for FIVE times. That retraction was not forthcoming, but ongoing smears were.

3. Been told my opinion was not important because I hadn't been here that long.

4. Offered an olive branch to those attacking me at the behest of a decent poster, only to have the olive branch spurned and ignored by the attackers, and the smears to continue.

So, you know what? No thanks. I still intend to vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is in November, and I will reach back to whoever reaches out to me and any number of Obama supporters. But I'm gone being gracious with the Bully Squad, and their tactics.

P.S. Oh, and did I mention I was repeatedly called a "troll," a "sockpuppet," and an "asshole"? That was real nice behavior on the part of the Bully Squad, too.

[zulchzulu]

68. The boot must remain on the neck until she ceases to run

I don't care if you think people who support Obama are "mean" or "sexist". We are TRUE Democrats who are tired of Repugs in Demo clothing like the Clintons. They are a disease to the Democratic Party. They must be extracted and tossed into oblivion as far as I am concerned.

They proved to us through NAFTA, the Telecommunications Act, GATT, the homophobic Defense of Marriage Act and even Hillary's embracing of a trillion dollar war with a million or more dead that they are NOT DEMOCRATS.

We will win. Handily. Do whatever you want. There are plenty of us that will easily defeat the Repugs in the fall without your help. Either join or get the hell out of the way before we run over you.

[Name removed]

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[Uzybone]

80. Dumbest post of this thread

"we will win without the help of all the other Democrats who didnt support Obama in the primaries".

Completely delusional. We need you all.

[mtnsnake]

69. So many people on this board act just like Rush Limbaugh himself, they're that hateful

[apocalypsehow]

71. I've notice that among a few of the Clinton supporters. Let's see:

1. Telling blatant falsehoods about the supporter of another candidate and refusing to retract it: check.

2. Calling another Democrat and fellow DUer a "troll, a sockpuppet, an asshole" because he/she supports another Democratic candidate: check.

3. Telling another poster that their opinion basically doesn't count because they haven't been here all that long: check.

4. Distorting and twisting every sentence, pouncing on grammatical minutiae, calling into question someone's livelihood all because they don't like who that person supports for the Democratic nomination: check.

A nasty bunch, that small Bully Squad.

[JerseygirlCT]

75. I think graciousness all around is a grand idea.

We've got to keep the real goal in mind.

I prefer Obama. But I think there's a lot to recommend Clinton - especially in contrast to the Republicans!

But it worries and pains me to see how ugly things can get here -- let's keep in mind who we're really fighting against, can't we?

Toward your goal of gracious: I was sincerely impressed by Hillary Clinton's closing words tonight. That was classy of her.

[blocker]

78. What about the cllinton supporters being gracious.

Have a look at the clinton supporters, they are frustrating also!

it's both ways!

[quakerboy]

79. What can I do

Personaly?

[jesus_of_suburbia]

83. Reaching out like you did with your post :-)

There have been plenty of gracious replies in this thread. That helps!

Thanks to all Obama supporters who represent him well!