It doesn't look like Hilary is going past Texas

[Egnever]

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/hq/pennsylvania/

Still no events planned in her last remaining Firewall. Nothing planned in Wyoming or Mississippi either. The next two after Texas and Ohio.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/hq/wyoming/
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/hq/mississippi/

I am thinking she should end this

[gateley]

1. It's only a couple of more weeks -- she's come this far, she has the right

to stay in if she wants, don't you think?

At least she and her supporters wouldn't be left wondering "what if....."

[Egnever]

10. She has earned the right no doubt about it

I can totally understand wanting to avoid the what if also. I think with things looking the way they are though it will take an act of god for her to win this thing. If she stays till Ohio and Texas I really have no problem with it. If she somehow pulls out big wins there then I guess theres still hope for her but given that she doesn't even have a schedule for anything past that it will still be damn hard for her to catch up.

I think the writing on the wall is pretty clear though if you look at it. I would much rather she dropped out early in an effort to let the party heal itself than she goes down swinging wildly. It would be better for her and better for the Dem's in general IMHO.

She is absolutely free though to do whatever she wishes.

[gateley]

19. Yesterday Randi Rhodes likened herself to Hillary in that they both were

so absolutely convinced of their roles (Randi in radio, Hillary as Prez) that they never even considered a Plan B.

This entire turn around must be surreal for her - maybe she's just has to drift to a close and slowly let the acceptance wash over her.

I agree that it would be better for her and for the Dems if she were to bow out gracefully - she risks looking REALLY desperate and that can't serve her nor our party well.

On the other hand :7 although it's pretty much a wrap, this campaign season has been SO full of switchbacks and surprises, so... :shrug:

I just posted earlier -- remember when we were terrified of going up against McCain? And now we seem to feel he'll be easy to squash.

[Egnever]

25. It has been a crazy ride to be sure

anything could happen and has it seems this time around. No matter what it has been exciting to watch.

McCain lost his fear factor for me after 2000 when he started kissing Bushes ass. When he was straight talk he had a shot, now he is an old stale tired pretzel. The contrast of him and Barrack onstage alone will sink him forget the fact that Obama has proven to have an incredible ground game that can be restarted easily for the GE.

[Window]

15. Well, I certainly am not counting Hillary out.

When she goes on TV an announces she's suspending her campaign is when I'll believe she's finished. I just can't see her dropping out. I wish she would, but I can't see it.



Peace:thumbsup:

[Independent-Voter]

41. I say let her ride her campaign into the ground.

[bluestateguy]

2. I think she is writing off Wyoming and Mississippi

It's the standard Democrat* Party establishment technique of writing off red states.

*I will hereby refer to the party establishment as the "Democrat" Party because they have such contempt for the people. They are not democratic.

[SKKY]

17. Didn't you get the memo???

Wyoming and Mississippi don't count.

[Fire_brand]

20. Senator Clinton would never write off a state that counted

[stevietheman]

36. Don't all states count in the "United States"? Geez. n/t

n/t

[Yael]

3. PA is so full of Obama events that I have been to different ones several times this week

going to another tonight before the debate.

We are amassing an army...

[Egnever]

4. Thank you!

This is why he is winning this thing.

[Alhena]

5. Voter registration is *everything* in PA ... the deadline in March 24

as I'm sure you know, and it's a closed primary.

If the Obama campaign makes heroic voter registration efforts on college campuses and in black areas, they can negate some of the closed primary disadvantages.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

8. That's what worries me about PA. We lost in AZ because of this.

We had an awesome organization here, whereas Clinton's was anemic at best. We tried our hardest to get people to reregister (and our deadline was a full month before the election). We got thousands of indies to switch to D but in the end it wasn't enough, and thousands more of them showed up to the polls and were turned away because they didn't realize they had to register as a Dem.

[Iktomiwicasa]

11. At this stage of the game

I don't think a closed primary is a disadvantage for Obama.

[I Vote In Pittsburgh]

13. Don't worry about it!

I'll be on the ground getting people to register all of next month. I'm right smack in the middle of UPitt, CMU, and close to a couple of other colleges :)

Organizational meeting in my area is on March 1st.

[Window]

24. Wonderful!

I wish I could join you.




Peace:thumbsup:

[Yael]

28. Come on up!

Or over, or down -- as the case may be. :D

Room for all!

[Window]

32. Were it not for a surgical procedure I must undergo,

I'd be happy to. Thanks for the invite, though. I'm sure you all have it covered. Will be looking forward to feedback. Thanks.




Peace:thumbsup:

[Yael]

26. Indeed. Right now, we aren't as concerned about formal events

We are all about GOTV, registration drives and collecting names and numbers of volunteers.

Once the camp arrives (the Wisconsin Campaign manager will be here Monday), then we will have our standing army ready to organize under their leadership.

[Window]

21. That's good to hear.

Keep up the good work.



Peace:thumbsup:

[workinclasszero]

43. Sweet!

That is good news!:)

[Perry Logan]

6. If I can't get out of here, why should she?

[Yurem2008]

7. It will be all over after OH and TX

she will withdraw on 3/5/08

[Perry Logan]

9. Not gonna bet against ya.

[katty]

12. yes, she has to nail those

[sniffa]

14. She's gone from the Romney route, to the Ghoulianni route to the...

Fred Thompson route? :wtf:

[billyoc]

16. Sen. Clinton bought her ticket, let her take her ride. Count the votes. nt

[ORDem]

18. She can't afford to be in PA with the debt she's wracked up.

News today says her campaign is in the hole by about $7M, unpaid bills in IA(!) still. She's on life support at this point.

She may try and put up a hail mary at tonight's debate, but I'll bet her heart really isn't in it. She's not stupid, she can see the writing on the wall and I'm sure there are plenty of party operatives whispering in her ear about salvaging her career so she can run again in '12 if the Goopers win again.

:dem:

[Fire_brand]

23. I wouldn't go that far

She's putting everything she has into Ohio and Texas, because she can't afford to be anywhere else and if she loses either one of those she's done anyway.

I don't think she's about to stop fighting though, I don't think that's in her nature.

[Big Blue Marble]

22. I think it is the money.

She is gambling all her money in Texas and Ohio. If she wins big in these states,
she hopes that the money will come in to move on to Pennsylvania and beyond.

There just isn't enough money to do more now. She is nearly broke.

[Egnever]

29. I think you are right

its all or nothing time. Even if she pulls off those wins though its going to still be hard to play catch up going forward. She will still have to go from 0-60 in a split second and Obama already has groundwork in place in everything going forward.

[Big Blue Marble]

31. If she wins Texas, Ohio and Penn,

her argument will be that she has won the vast majority of large states and even if he
has more delegates, even some won after these states, it will not matter.

She will ask the supers to come to her side. And that would be interesting. I hope
it does not come to that. But she will tear the party that way if she has to, to win.

[LadyVT]

27. Uh...What about OHIO?

[JVS]

30. A stool with three legs falls if just one is missing.

TX, PA, and OH are those legs.

[texas_indy]

34. Nope, a stool with two legs, Obama is getting Texas. (nt)

[Egnever]

38. They are the same day

[yellowcanine]

33. No matter what happens on March 4 she has to focus on PA. Problem is it is a "big media" state and

she will have little money left.

[WinkyDink]

48. Big Ed will carry PA. for HRC. The college kids won't overcome the Boomer

population.

[grantcart]

35. If you scroll down this thread you will see that simultaneously

we have been discussing the fact that Hillary's debt is now so far out that she may be running a facade to limit her expenditures so that the contributions continue to come in. Your thread was the evidence I was looking for. It would be interesting to see if they are doing much in media buys in OH and TX.

[Egnever]

37. Wow

Theres an interesting take. You are basically saying that she is only continuing so she can pay off her debt. Something that hadn't occurred to me but might just be a motivating factor. We will know when we see the numbers next month.

[Yael]

40. That is what McCain did initially -- stayed in to pay off his debt

But he took out a loan that needed to be repaid.

[Egnever]

45. This has been one strange race

Imagine that the guy who just wanted to pay his debt ends up the nominee. Hope history doesnt repeat itself here.

[Independent-Voter]

42. I buy that theory. The sad thing is that there are still some true believers that will donate to her

[tekisui]

44. They are now seeking $100,000 from 100 individuals to fund the 527's.

I think those will be the majority of media buys for OH and TX. They won't put her campaign into any more debt, yet still put some ads up.

[Egnever]

47. She certainly knows how to game the system

Its one of her largest negatives for me.

[TexasObserver]

39. Hillary's firewall is en fuego.

going
going
gone

She's losing Texas by 8-18 points in March.

[Exilednight]

46. Hillary backed herself into a corner last night. After the debate she said...

the winner will be decided here in Texas. Kind of reminiscent of Rudy G. and Florida.