I am hoping that Obama heard Limbaugh today...

[butterfly77]

his message to mccain was: You can not go across the aisle to liberals, you can not hold hands with them and they must be defeated.

I am also hoping that a lot of people here are not forgetting that these are some really insane people who really believe that they should have all of the power and not us the american people. If obama is the nominee he should never ever trust these evil bastards.,The media is now rallying around their hero McCain no matter what.

I have watched how the media has pretended to be fair and balanced on all stations. As I have watched them knock out certain candidates trying to pick our candidates for us I have become angrier and angrier. All of them hate Hillary so they did their best to knock her out of the running but they got more than they bargained for, they never in their wildest dreams thought that Obama would be one of the front runners. Now they are having conversations and getting very angry especially Buchanan trying to give Hillary's campaign tips on how to beat Obama.

Over the past few months they were smiling with glee as they talked Hillary down but now their faces are beginning to look solemn and fill with terror that Obama may be the nominee.I have become especially angry at the way they have put up banners at the bottom of the screen to portray obama as what they want their racists audience to think (CNN),Fox and MSNBC with their Osama picture. As we see with O'lielly they are slowly letting their racism show and it will be full blown as time goes
on.

They now are very afraid because McCain is having problems so the media is rallying around him and making excuses for him. They now want to attack Obama on the issues when they said nothing in the beginning. I can see from watching the media they too are really,really afraid of change.

[Egnever]

1. They should be

[katty]

2. yup, let the bloodsport begin

[sandnsea]

3. Limbaugh sounded exactly like DU

Exactly. Word for Word. If you think he sounded nuts, let me say emphatically, YOU SOUND JUST LIKE HIM.

It has to end.

[butterfly77]

10. If after watching how these enabling bastards have fooled the

Dems on every turn for the past eight years and you still believe you can trust them you must be dreaming.Do you really believe that they will go along with Obama reach across the aisle and work together, do keep an eye out for the knife behind their backs...

[sandnsea]

16. They think the same thing

So where does that leave us? Lugar-Obama is real legislation that will make a real difference. usaspending.gov is real legislation that will make a real difference. Most good legislation comes from both sides working together, like Kennedy-Hatch and SCHIP. It's not going to help to becomes as insane as Limbaugh is.

[boston bean]

22. you are a disappointment. nt

[stevenleser]

4. Did Limbaugh say all of that?

sorry, not sure where limbaughs statement ends and your commentary continues (if at all)

[sandnsea]

6. Exchange liberal for conservative

and Limbaugh sounded like any DUer. It was a crazy don't trust any liberals rant, much like the don't trust any Republicans rant.

[pbca]

5. The media had nothing to do with my

not liking Hillary. I haven't been a fan since she headed the health care task force in Clinton's first admin. - She was my least favourite candidate from the beginning.

[butterfly77]

7. The media hates Hillary...

they thought Edwards or someone else would be the candidate. You may not have liked her but there were others who did and they made sure they pounded on her until they changed their minds.

[Arugula Latte]

9. Me too (well, I wasn't fond of Biden, either)

She just strikes me as being the ultimate triangulating, what-is-my-focus-group-telling me, no true convictions kind of candidate.

[goodgd_yall]

8. I'm a bit confused

Who and what are we supposed to be afraid of according to Rush? It seems it's every one that he's mentioned in his message.

Is someone able to translate this?

[butterfly77]

11. Democrats,liberal,progressives

[goodgd_yall]

12. Oh,,,,just the usual. n/t

[AX10]

13. Point is what? The majority of those around here..

have a hatred for HRC too and have worked non-stop to knock her down.

[butterfly77]

14. Obama is talking about reaching across the aisle...

and working together with republicons, he better hope he has a hand when he reaches back across...Yes, you can try to work together on issues but if he wins he better remember who he is dealing with, we have seen all of their temper tantrums when they can't get their way,,

[islandmkl]

15. small point, but we didn't get where we are today...

by the Republicans doing it all by themselves. We need someone who can have enough popular support to work WITH Congress and at the same time...GIVE CONGRESSIONAL DEMOCRATS SOME BALLS. Look at what 'our' Congress is accomplishing. And it isn't because of 60 votes in the Senate. Enough Democrats went down the road with the repubs too far, and are afraid to really turn back.

The White House isn't the only thing we need to start turning this mess around. ALL of our own 'local' Representatives and Senators should be under the gun to commit to changing the direction of all of Washington.

Sounds a little daunting to me. That's asking a lot from a bunch of fat cats who are way too used to playing US.

[earthlover]

17. I thought you said they opposed Hillary....

"Now they are having conversations and getting very angry especially Buchanan trying to give Hillary's campaign tips on how to beat Obama"

Hillary was their choice early on because they figured she was beatable. At first, they thought Obama would be a perfect foil because they didn't think America would elect a black president. But they were wrong, and now they may see that.

That doesn't change the fact that Hillary has been annointed the front runner all along. It doesn't change that if Obama had suffered 10-11 straight losses, he would never be considered even a contender by the media. Obama has risen to the top, not because of the media, but in spite of it!

Yes, they will turn on him if he gets the nomination....same thing for Hillary....and we have not seen anything yet!

Obama does have a message that will be hard to beat. McCain is already starting out by using the Hillary play book, which Obama is winning against. McCain is the IDEAL candidate for Obama. He looks like the old fashioned way of doing things much more than Hillary, he supported Iraq even more than Hillary. Every step of the way, he would be toast against Obama. His only appeal is with independents, and Obama trumps him with independents!

[butterfly77]

28. But, if this mccain thing goes any deeper...

they may find a way to choose someone else as their candidate.

[cooolandrew]

18. We must think positive thoughts toward the media they can sense negative tension and react bad....

Ok it's a hippy thing but gotta increase the peace to survive.

[jasmine621]

19. I said the same thing last week and this week.

I will laugh my ass off if Obama wins the WH (I seriously doubt it, though.).

Oh, my, what will they do? I tell you what I think they will do: The Republicans will get McCain to drop out over this latest lobby-gate and they will nominate a much more conservative and formidable candidate to take on Obama. And they will win...again.

The only thing that will mess up this scenario is if McCain is truly innocent of ALL charges and sticks to his guns. If there is one shred of evidence against him...he's dead meat.

[butterfly77]

20. This is just a sample of how they work...

Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 07:08 AM by ariesgem
DALLAS, Feb. 21 (UPI) -- The Secret Service told Dallas police to stop screening for weapons while people were still arriving at a campaign rally for Barack Obama, a report said.

Police stopped checking people for weapons at the front gates of Reunion Arena more than an hour before the Democratic presidential hopeful appeared on stage Wednesday, the Fort Worth (Texas) Star-Telegram reported.

Police said the order to stop using metal detectors and checking purses and laptop bags constituted a security lapse, the newspaper reported.

Dallas Deputy Police Chief T.W. Lawrence -- who heads the department's homeland security and special operations divisions -- told the Star-Telegram the order had been intended to speed up seating of the more than 17,000 people who came to hear the candidate speak.

Lawrence said he was concerned about the large number of people being let in without being screened, but that the crowd seemed "friendly," the newspaper said.

Several Dallas police officers -- speaking on condition of anonymity because the order came from federal officers -- told the newspaper it was worrying to see so many people get it without even a cursory inspection.

[MyNameGoesHere]

21. THIS IS WHY! THIS IS THE REASON

i say Obama will get nothing done and will be marginalized. We can change and work together till we turn blue. And all we get for our efforts is a knife in the back. limpballs even said it that Democrats are the enemy of repukes. ENEMIES! not opposition but enemies. Yes i agree with Hillary "Get REAL"

[gravity]

23. Obama gets it, Limbaugh doesn't

Those at the very far ends of the political spectrum see politics as a war between good and evil, and have a win at no cost attitude.

The average American voter doesn't feel that way, and is turned off by that attitude. They want a competent government to act in the interest of this country instead of going to war with each other. Obama is able to capitalize this sentiment better than any politican in recent history, which is why he will become president.

[butterfly77]

25. and that is because some of them are new to the repug game...

or some have forgotten who they are dealing with...

[gravity]

34. You're getting caught up in their game

and playing by their rules.

Americans are tired of this endless political game and want to move forward. If the reoublicans fight dirty as usual, Obama will call them out on it. He rewrote the rules of the game, and the republicans have nothing going for them to stop it.

[butterfly77]

36. Only time will tell...

we can only hope..how's that

[Armstead]

24. It's important to seperate the Crazy Right Wing from the center and reasonable conservatives

There is probably one third of the country who are stuck in the Rush/Coulter/Delay mindset of right wing crazies.

They will rant and rave and do everything possible to muck up anything the Democrats might try and achieve.

But there is another large slice of people and politicians on the center-right who are open to compromise and even to persuasion. Those arte the ones Obama is talking about dealing with.

[butterfly77]

26. Where have they been for the past eight years?

they are few and far between, the talked down Hagel and others who pretended to speak up and then showed who they really are...

[Armstead]

37. Overshadowed by the crazies

[Big Blue Marble]

27. Don't you get it?

Limbaugh is a major part of the problem and Obama is a major part of the solution.

[butterfly77]

29. Yes, I get it...

this republiCONS are some crooked,evil,insane,crazy, dirty bastards who want to win at any cost. I don't trust them,especially after all of the things I have seen over the past eight years and before that...

[Bodhi BloodWave]

38. You are aware that if you talk to some republicans(i talk/debate a few of them online)

you could basically copy what you just said as their view of the dems rather then reps(those are in a minority tho). Most I've talked to who have been quite reasonable and if shown respect the average republican(not leaders) will be willing to listen(might take a while to convince him, but bush has made that a whole lot easier lately)

Amusing sidenote: Most i have talked US politics with here in Norway actually see the Democrats as somewhat conservative, which might make sense as I've been told that our conservatives are deemed liberal by American standards :evilgrin:

[ellacott]

30. One of Hillary's strong points according to many in the Senate

is her ability to work across the aisle. They say even Trent Lott likes her.

Hillary doesn't mention this often. It's not a bad thing to be able to work with the other side. People are only paying attention to the extreme ends of both parties.

[butterfly77]

31. But, the not so extreme on the rightwing side...

never voted against anything that bush did that was detrimental to the country, the others always beat them down and threaten them with blackmail or something else to keep them in line. Our main hope is to change the house and senate with real dems not republicon lite..

[ellacott]

33. There are still going to be republicans in the house and senate

If you want things done you're going to have to work with them. We could get a majority and push things past them but we would have those on the right whining just like people on the left are doing today.

[ProSense]

32. Screw Limpy and the RNC. Obama isn't saying anything different from Hillary on working with Repubs

Hillary:

And 21,000 National Guard and Reserve members get access to health care, because I went across the party line and joined up with a Republican senator to make that happen.

link

Base on Obama's version of building coalitions:

..Obama pledges to reach across partisan lines, and outside them as well, to build support for a progressive agenda, he's not talking about abandoning his party and sharing power directly with people who don't share his (or Nunn's) assessment of the challenges facing America, and who would oppose any progressive agenda with every political weapon available. Best I can tell, Obama's offering an extended hand to the GOP that he's willing to make into a fist. And his argument with some in the Democratic Party, most notably John Edwards, over how to enact progressive policies, mainly reflects differences of opinion on how to marshal public opinion to reverse most of the GOP policies of the Bush era.

Hillary is the one who needs to watch her back.

RNC FOCUSED ONLY ON OBAMA

They have their work cut out for them. Obama isn't naive, he can handle the Republicans and McCain:

OBAMA: And it is any surprise, then, that you've seen people like Hugo Chavez and countries like China move into the void, because we've been neglectful of that.

Iran is the single biggest strategic beneficiary of us having invaded Iraq, and that is something that I think John McCain has to come to terms with.

So that is a debate that I'm happy to have.

One last point I want to make on this, and that is, the incredible burden that has been placed on the American people, starting with military families, and the fact that we still are not doing right by our veterans, that we still don't honor their service, that there are still homeless veterans, that we still don't screen properly for post-traumatic stress disorder and make sure that they're getting mental services that they need, that we are still... (APPLAUSE)

... having veterans in south Texas have to drive 250 miles to access a veterans hospital.

OBAMA: That's unacceptable. But we talked about the economy earlier, the fact that we're spending $12 billion every month in Iraq means that we can't engage in the kind of infrastructure improvements that are going to make us more competitive. It means that we can't deliver on the kinds of health care reforms that both Senator Clinton and I are looking for.

And that is also an argument that we have to have with John McCain because he has said that he is willing to have these troops over there for 100 years. The notion that we would sustain that kind of effort and neglect not only making us more secure here at home, more competitive here at home, allow our economy to sink. As John McCain says, he doesn't really understand the economy that well. It is clear from his embrace of George Bush's policies that he doesn't, and that's what I intend to change when I am president of the United States of America. (APPLAUSE)

link

[knixphan]

35. Armstead is right

Look not to the crazies with microphones - Look to our fellow members of the middle class...(the rational ones)

We're all under siege, although some of the middle class have been hoodwinked in the past by slick neocon talking points ('Trickle-down really works!, 'AAAgh, Gay marriage!' etc...')

A lot of working folks, former 'cons' are waking up...

As I said in one of those Michelle O-related threads. WE have to be the army behind Barack. WE THE PEOPLE. 'They got the guns, but we got the numbers'.

Speak up! Let's defend our frontrunner whenever we get the chance. They paint liberals/progressives as 'pansies' (and yes, they tend to use more vaginal vernacular).

Let's not give them the stereotype they want from us. Show them we've learned from the last 30 years.

[butterfly77]

39. Here's limbaugh and Laura Ingraham..

Limbaugh Spins NYT Story As Hate Radio Victory: McCain Should ‘Understand Who His Friends Are’ »

Rush Limbaugh and other hate radio talkers have aggressively attacked the candidacy pf Sen. John McCain (R-AZ). Today on his radio show, Limbaugh responded to the explosive New York Times story on McCain’s relationship with lobbyist Vicki Iseman by spinning it as a victory for hate radio.

According to Limbaugh, this episode is the predictable consequence of McCain shunning him and other hate radio pundits:

The important question for John McCain today is, is he going to learn the right lesson from this, and what is the lesson? The lesson is liberals are to be defeated. You cannot walk across the aisle with them. You cannot reach across the aisle. You cannot welcome their media members on your bus and get all cozy with them and expect eternal love from them. You are a Republican. <…>

There’s a great opportunity here for Senator McCain to learn the right lesson and understand who his friends are and who his enemies are. He’s had that backwards for way too long.


Right-wing pundit Laura Ingraham was similarly self-righteous today, stating:

I ask the McCain campaign this question: Do you think you need talk radio now? Do you think that talk radio’s important to set the record straight, or do you think a press conference, where the media is shouting question after question at you — do you think that’s going to put an end to all of this?

Right wing pundits still don’t like McCain, but they’re willing to give him a second chance — as long as the senator is willing to see the light and change his ways. David Brody of CBN believes that this New York Times “hit job” may seen as “a conservative badge of honor” and “could actually help John McCain.”

Always classy, Limbaugh ended his segment by saying that he wasn’t surprised that The New York Times published an unfavorable piece on McCain. “It’s as predictable as Ted Kennedy finding a bar at happy hour,” he said.