I have something simple to say to all Hiillary supporters

[AGirl]

As a Hillary supporter, I firmly believe that Hillary can win Ohio and Texas if we *DO NOT* feel discouraged or dismayed about what happened in Wiscousin. According to the exit polls, she still have a slight edge among white democrat women, she barely lost to Obama among registered democrats, 53 - 46.

We have an advantage in Ohio and Texas, why can't we win? Tell me why?

The only reason we will lose is if we have the belief that we can't win and we give up and we no longer feel excited about Hillary's chance to be the first female president.

So if Hillary lose because of YOUR negativity, I will blame her loss on you.

So can Hillary count on your support or can she not?


She can count on me!

[Captain Hilts]

1. She was never going to win Wisc. Most liberal state in the union. nt

[Omega3]

2. are you kidding?? that has to be MA, even MN or CA but not Wisc. , both 00 and 04 were settled by

less than 1%, there are dem strongholds in Milw. and Madison and the Lake Superior shore up north, otherwise conservatives abound in many of the more rural areas and including the Fox Valley from Green Bay down to Fond du Lac.

I really think Hc had a great shot but she didn't campaingn herself enough and pulled out early. She got outspent 4-1.

[jackson_dem]

79. Rhode Island, NJ, and Vermont can make arguments for being the most liberal too

I agree that Wisconsin isn't.

[Enrique]

4. she could have won there if she spent more money there

she had the support of the very progressive Tammy Baldwin, and regarding Wisconsin being the most liberal state I think that's both incorrect and irrelevant, especially in the primaries. Clinton in fact tends to win more liberal states, e.g. Massachussetts and New York.

[LostinVA]

5. Actually, NJ is the most liberal state

Clinton won here.

Mass is a close second; Clinton won there, too.

[Bicoastal]

13. For all intents and purposes, I think it's Vermont.

But at any rate, a) it's subjective and impossible to measure, and b) I'm pretty sure it ISN'T Wisconsin.

[cali]

15. No, it's not. Vermont is

more liberal by practically every measure, from the environment to enacting civil unions years before NJ. And no other state in the country would elect a socialist Senator.

[LostinVA]

62. Vermont is also very liberal

BTW, NJ has the best gay rights laws in the country. Vermont may have had domestic partnerships first, but NJ offers the best protection by far.

[skooooo]

68. Washington state!

Democratic Governor, democratic state legislature, and two democratic female Senators (even though they both kind of suck).

[Arugula Latte]

73. Damn latte sippers up there ...

;)

[cali]

74. Not from what I've read.

NJ has had problems with their CU law as I understand it. Vermont hasn't. Anyway, we're moving toward full marriage rights here, and a majority of Vermonters support it. And NJ has nothing like VT's environmental laws or health care programs for those who can't afford regular health care. The VT Senate voted to impeach Bush, as have 54 towns here. We're definitely a far more liberal state- and we don't have a corruption or scandal problem in politics.

[LostinVA]

77. NJ has had problems with the CU law -- that's why they're changing it to marriage

The problems NJ has had with the CU law is individual companies challenging it, because they're not incorporated in NJ.

NJ is the only state that recognizes same-sex partnerships from other states and countries.

We also have the best anti-gay bullying laws and the best transgendered protection laws in the country.

Corruption and scandals have nothing to do with how liberal a state is.

[earthlover]

7. WI had demographics favorable to Hillary

Her campaign made a tactical mistake not to work on WI harder. It is NOT the most liberal state, either. It barely elected Kerry in 04.

Hillary supporters should not despair. THey ARE facing an uphill battle, however there is something to be said for hope.... You should put in your hours for your candidate gladly. Even if you lose, you can feel better about it if you tried. In my view, it would take a goof by Obama to give Hillary an opening...but without workers doing volunteer work, it might not make a difference.

Yes, your efforts will make a difference. Proudly support Hillary.
I disagree with your choice, but i admire your effort.

[bunnies]

8. The most liberal state (I believe) is Vermont. nt

[cali]

10. um, no. not even close.

Wisconsin is not considered to be a particularly liberal state. It doesn't come close to being as liberal as my state of Vermont or MA or CA or WA or NJ or RI. And she was heavily favored to win it just 2 weeks ago. Revisionist history.

[MadBadger]

20. You mean the state that went to Kerry in 2004 by 10,000 votes?

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[Bicoastal]

34. It's a free Internet.

We're crashing. :hi:

[GoldieAZ49]

35. LOL very cute!!! n/t

[rodeodance]

49. not really--very rude when OP is addressed to Hill supporters.

[GoldieAZ49]

54. you calling what is rude - pot meet kettle

:rofl:

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[BleedingHeartPatriot]

82. rd is a long time poster who currently supports HRC and is NOT rude. You on the other hand, who's

only been here a month and have racked up over a thousand snarky GD-P posts, well, pot meet kettle.

[LittleClarkie]

64. I'm from Wisconsin. So if y'all are going to discuss how liberal or not WI is, I'm saying something

That is all.

[rodeodance]

44. Its impolite in intrude when OP says Hillary supporters.

[LittleClarkie]

66. Indeed, if one group or another wants to talk amongst themselves

They can go to the Hillary forum. I assume we have one.

Otherwise this is an open place and any number of folks will chime in. As long as we're respectful, I don't see the problem.

If people are only jumping in to disrupt and not comment though, that would be different.

[grantcart]

36. actually wisc is the most bellweather state in the union

[LittleClarkie]

63. No we're not. We're purple at best. Governed by DINOS and RINOS

We barely go blue.

[Bucky]

3. In literature, that's called the Pathetic Fallacy

For what it's worth, the term Patthetic Fallacy is not meant as a put down. It's the beliefe that your emotions are reflected in the weather or that the world around you embodies your internal emotions--like how it always rains when you're sad, or there's blustery wind when you're struggling with existential questions. One's mood does not control external events. Feeling glum about one's candidate's prospects doesn't actually affect whether people vote for your candidate.

[Bonobo]

12. More an example of "reification" if you ask me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reification_%28fallacy%29

[Bucky]

19. I agree there's a similarity. But with the fallacy of pathos, the staring point is one's mood

But then again, I could have it backwards.

[GoldieAZ49]

38. ah, a gentle introduction of reality

One's mood does not control external events.


Exactly, she needs votes, not happy thoughts.

[onenote]

6. Losing 53-46 is not "barely" losing.

Its not a double digit landslide, but its far from "barely" losing.

[texas_indy]

9. Sorry, but Obama's gonna win Texas, both popular vote and majority of delegates (nt)

[Iris]

14. Why don't you let your Secretary of State know so he can cancel the election?

It would save your state a lot of money.

[texas_indy]

17. No can do, gotta follow the law ya know. After all Hillary will win some of both. (nt)

[Iris]

23. Why? Most Obama supporters seem to think election laws are just

an annoyance.

[texas_indy]

40. You'll need to ask them yourself. I don't know any that think that, (nt)

[MoonRiver]

11. YES! She can still count on my and my husband's support.

She's the best person to lead our country out of the * morass. I will NEVER waver from that firm belief.

[THUNDER HANDS]

16. what advantage does Hillary have in Ohio and Texas?

[rodeodance]

29. "I have something simple to say to all Hiillary supporters" you are not invited.

[THUNDER HANDS]

33. oh I'm sorry....I thought this message board was public

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[THUNDER HANDS]

50. this message board--say PUBLIC--can you read?

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[THUNDER HANDS]

58. i wasn't being uncivil, I just asked a question, you were the one being rude

just FYI.

[rodeodance]

60. my point stands--this is a Hillary thread. enough said.

[LittleClarkie]

67. You have a Hillary forum if you want to address only Hillary people

out here in the open forum people are free to say whatever.

That's what us Kerry folks do. THERE it is indeed rude to show up if you're not a supporter and if you have something destructive to say.

Get a room if y'all want privacy.

Like trying to have a private conversation on a cell phone in a crowded room. It ain't gonna be private, I assure you.

[loveangelc]

18. i hope to God she is not our first female president.

[rodeodance]

26. "I have something simple to say to all Hiillary supporters" you are not invited.

[loveangelc]

37. woops, i invited myself. too late.

[rodeodance]

45. you have no manners.

[BlackVelvet04]

21. Of course....

I've given her more money than I've ever given a political candidate and I will make calls and do anything else I can.

I certainly am not ready to give up and I think she can still win this.

I just finished writing a letter to Senator Webb a few minutes ago asking him to seriously consider endorsing Hillary Clinton. I laid out all of the reasons I think she is the better candidate and all the reasons I feel Obama is not the right person right now for the job.

I encourage everyone to write their Senators. I think Webb is a superdelegate.

[demokatgurrl]

42. All Senators and members of Congress are superdelegates. n/t

[BlackVelvet04]

75. Thanks....

I actually didn't know that. I haven't paid much attention to the whole superdelegate talk.

[rodeodance]

22. it will require lots of organization/boots on the ground in those states-i have heard little, but

if not in those states we can hit the phones.

log onto her website and start calling NOW please.

[LadyVT]

24. Of course! Here are some suggestions... please read!

This has become largely a psychological contest, IMHO. People like to go with a winner, whether its football or the presidential nomination. The media started questioning HIllary's ability to win just before Feb 4, and even after she'd won CA, NY, NJ, FL... the largest states so far. That constant barrage of "faltering campaign," etc., makes us feel as though the delegate count were as far apart as in the Republican race. In fact, she is down fewer than 100 delegates, and there are many more states to go. In Wisconsin, for instance, as big as that was, Obama only gained 10 more delegates than she. It has been demonstrated--even by these media outlets--that neither Obama nor HIllary will gain the delegates necessary to secure the nomination. She needs to stay in until June, because races change quickly. Look what's happening to John McCain this week, for instance. The Rezko trial was moved from 2/29 to the day before the next primary (lucky (?) for Obama), and who knows what will come from the Sinclair accusation after his polygraph on the 29th? The point is, whether or not these accusations are true, they have an effect. That's the world we live in, now.

So if you are for Hillary, write TX, OH, PA newspaper reporters and offer them credible information and suggest topics (their addresses are often listed after their articles), blog on non DU sites (posting on DU isn't going to help Hillary--everyone's decided here already), and make calls to TX and OH http://tools.hillaryclinton.com/calling/ , and if you can, donate (even $10 helps)! On her website, under "states," find your state. The page will list the campaign offices. Contact them and see how you can help. Many people from across the country are going to Texas or Ohio to help.

Hang in there, everyone!

[rodeodance]

51. yes. he spent over 4 million for those 10 deles --te he.

[rodeodance]

52. If you can-start a thread soon with this---it is buried now. thanks.

[gerrilea]

25. I've been going to bat for her for the past week here

I've been a member for over 4 years here and seldom felt compelled to respond or reply to the majority of the people posting here...but the Hillary bashing around here has been brutal and unfounded...and I've been getting beat up for my belief and support of HRC...

I firmly believe she will win...not may win...

The MSM machine that has "fallen in love" with Obama is just to get the masses against her...and divide our party...Hillary is the best and only candidate that can repair the damages to our democracy and constitution...

I hope others understand that she is the only one with the experience and the abilities to control our gov't...she has been fantastic here in New York as my Senator...and my firsthand experience with her staff and their genuine support and help with problems that I had went above and beyond...

Her staff even helped my sister in Binghamton NY who has a very rare and deadly disease get an appointment with a doctor at Syracuse University...my sister and brother-in-law could get absolutely no help from any doctors or any other elected official(s)...BUT HILLARY 'S OFFICES HELPED...

All I can truly say...Hillary will always get my support and vote...If I had money...I would give her all that I could...no questions asked...

Go Hillary...Go Hillary...Go Hillary

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[rodeodance]

32. What a lovely post. --the vile bashing is.........

[emilyg]

47. Go Hillary.

[AGirl]

72. wow GREAT STORY!! THANK YOU

[CyberPieHole]

27. If anyone cand do it it's Hillary Cinton. I don't want her to give up and I am sure she will win...

if she doesn't we are sure to lose come the GE. Obama has more baggage than Vuitton and Hermes. Put together.

[LordJFT]

30. It was close in Texas before Obama even started campaigning there so Obama will take it

and if Hillary wins Ohio it will be by a small margin

[ROakes1019]

31. winning isn't the name of the game

She has to win Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania by racking up close to 70% of the vote; otherwise, the delegate split will still leave her shot of Obama. I don't believe she's won anywhere by that margin. Even if she squeaks by with a small win, she simply won't get the necessary delegates.

[rodeodance]

48. that percentage is way to high--pulled of a hat. --see jeff dem posts for today

[yellowcanine]

39. I don't really see how negativity here is going to influence what happens in Texas or

Ohio on March 4. Unless you believe in positive and negative vibes controlling events. Just saying. That is all.

[Auntie Bush]

41. At a Girl

I still have HOPE...in spite of the MSM!
I won't/don't listen.
Hillery can count on me.

[AGirl]

70. Yay!! Good for you

[rodeodance]

46. I have contacted some unpledged superdels in my state--you can to--GO FOR IT>

[mtnsnake]

53. You don't have to convince me that the Goddess of Peace will win

I've never had any doubts about that. I think Obama should start practicing his eventual concession speech just to be ready for when it comes time for him to turn in.

[ronnykmarshall]

57. I'm with you.

I'm still rooting for Hillary.

[AGirl]

71. Great to Hear, I am glad we can count on you

[Straight Shooter]

59. I'm not excited about her being the first female president. I'm excited about HER being president.

I'm one of those don't give a flying rat's patooie what yer gender is.

Although I will admit that a Hillary win would be the biggest in-your-face F*ck You to the GOP evah! :)

[GCP]

61. She's got my support

You go Girl!

[moxie_1]

65. She has this Texan's vote! /nm

[elixir]

69. Hear, hear. Hillary rocked the house tonight!

[RBInMaine]

81. Hillary stole Edwards' lines at the end, and from Bill '92.

[Jamastiene]

76. I wish I could vote

to recommend your OP twice on this one. That is precisely how I feel too. :thumbsup:

[AGirl]

80. yay thank you!

[shadowknows69]

78. Wow they're eating their own now

I love studying wildlife. Marlon Perkins got me hooked at a young age. B-)