Was Hillary ever President? If not, isn't she going to need "on the job training," too?

[jenmito]

She talks as if she's been president before. :shrug:

[Whisp]

1. it's like if you want to learn to be a biochemist...

you just have to sit near him/her and watch.

[jenmito]

6. Yeah. Same like claiming you can perform brain surgery because you're a nurse.

:shrug:

[Kittycat]

11. Only problem is - she wasn't sitting next to Bill

If she would have been, maybe he could have stayed out of trouble?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. Ah, but she spent 8 years in the WH, therefore she's experienced.

I'm personally going to write in the WH executive chef. 33 years WH experience!

[jenmito]

7. Exactly. n/t

[Blarch]

24. Nice.

[splat]

29. Any other candidates have an office in the West Wing?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

34. Should I write in Ken Lay?

:shrug:

[TwilightGardener]

3. She saw Bill handling stuff. That makes her Preznit-By-Osmosis.

It's a well-known phenomenon. I'm sure Carville, or Stephanopoulos, or other WH staff under Clinton, can just as easily step in and be Preznit on day one as well.

[jenmito]

8. "Preznit-By-Osmosis."

Good one! :rofl:

[peacebird]

4. she also talks as if all her jobs since college were public service - even Rose law firm....

:eyes:

[Bucky]

9. Actually, yes, she has been in public service since college

She was an advocate for children's rights while with Rose. It wasn't her main work, but it's certainly an issue she consistantly attended to throughout those years. As first lady of Arkansas and the US, as a senator, and as a junior counsel for the Watergate committee, she's made taking care of the public's business her major concern.

I'm not voting for her, but I don't need to belittle her excellent community service to justify my vote.

[jenmito]

16. And Obama has been in public service for 20 years. n/t

[Bucky]

21. Your point being...?

It's not a contest over who's had the most years doing this.

[jenmito]

23. The Clinton people claim he has only a couple years experience. n/t

[Bucky]

32. Jenmito...

I'm starting to think your parents didn't ground you enough as a kid.

[jenmito]

50. Yes they did. And I turned out great as a result.

:P

[jenmito]

15. I noticed. n/t

[gerrilea]

5. She's had 30 years with Bill...that's all she needs...

What better training could any candidate get? None...period...she has the experience needed...

[jenmito]

17. So someone being married to a doctor qualifies that person to be a doctor?

[gerrilea]

27. Nice try...apples and oranges!

[jenmito]

51. No it's not. Apples and apples.

[Bucky]

26. By that logic, Bill Clinton is qualified to be a woman

I don't dispute Clinton's qualifications, but president just isn't a skill you learn by "job shadowing."

[gerrilea]

31. Hmmm. how many World Leaders have met Obama?

How many have met Hillary, uhmmm...??? I suspect it's close to 200...the world knows Hillary...and she knows them...

This alone can make the difference when trying to "clean up" our name with the rest of the world...she will know what, how, when, where, and with whom to talk to get us out of Iraq and make the re-building of that country we destroyed a world affair...not just an american wet dream!

[TwilightGardener]

35. Yeah, shaking hands and being a First Lady is real foreign policy experience.

Funny how no one has seriously thought of her as Secretary of State.

[Bucky]

36. Okay, let's say you're the prime minister of India....

You get a phone call from President Obama. Is your response closer to...

a) "President who? Yo mama? Who the fuck is that? Just hang up and tell those punks we're gonna have the cops trace the phone call next time they try prank calling!"

or

b) "President Obama of the United States? Well, screw that. I know he's trying to talk diplomacy, but I've never even shaken that fucker's hand. No way am I talking to THAT asshole!"

or

c) "The President of the United States? The most powerful person in the world and one of our top trade partners? Golly gosh, let's see what he has to say!"

I would suggest to you that the third option is almost a verbatim of how it would go.

[gerrilea]

37. I wish my world was as simple as yours.

I see the fourth option as this "hello, oh it's president mccain"...

[Bucky]

38. The trick is to find the right hobby

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=156073

[gerrilea]

39. The stars are the only thing I can believe in these days

Nice try though...I've even taking up the hobby of DU poster recently and it's been really time consuming...

[Bucky]

40. okay, seriously, I believe in democracy

These arguments will work themselves out. Whoever we elect will start to fix our problems with the world--not because they're uniquely experienced or uniquely fresh-to-Washington--but because it's what we as a nation want. Whoever is president will slowly fix this mess because it has to be done.

I study history for a living. I'm dead certain about this. Either candidate will do a fine job.

[gerrilea]

42. I really hope so...I have a BA in History and I came away a pessimist

History repeats itself too many times.

[Bucky]

43. What did you concentrate on in your studies?

[gerrilea]

44. American History, focused on the growth of American International Power

and American Worldwide influence

[Bucky]

45. We're studying that right now in my class

How WW1 ended the Progressive Era (and yet, in many ways, didn't)

[gerrilea]

46. Learn all you can, The Treaty of Paris has set the stage

for our current world and country...absorb as much as you can...you'll see a little of my views, good and bad...

[Bucky]

47. I should point out that I teach that class

I still try to learn new stuff, of course, but technically I'm in charge of this trainwreck

[gerrilea]

48. Opps..God Bless...so...How about them "Bills"

Sorry, just a joke about the Buffalo Bills...here in Buffalo when you want change the subject after you've put your foot in your mouth...

So, do you believe that my assesment is correct? WWI and the League of Nations...set the stage for our world today?

[Bucky]

49. They sure did in the Balkans. They bottled up all that hatred into Yugoslavia

The League wasn't ever much of a much, I don't think. They couldnt' stop but a couple of wars in eastern Europe in the 20s, then quickly fell apart--like much of the Progressive era reforms. It was just horribly naive. But they were still learning to build a peaceful world order--something our generation has only achieved in Europe, North America, and the Pacific Rim.

Yes, I can see your argument. The war ended the myth of royalty. The world after Versailles was multilateral, much like the early 21st century will be--not that big bilateral confrontation style of power blocks from the 1930s thru 1980s. After Bush has squandered our superpower status, I think there's a pretty good chance that the future world security order will HAVE to be based on cooperation.

What attracted you to early 20th C. history?

[gerrilea]

53. I always believed that our Country could forge a new and better

world for all, not by force but by example and I didn't understand why man couldn't "just get along"...and yes the League of Nations was a "baby step" for world cooperation, the UN today is nothing but a "red herring" for the masses, meaning me here...I had so much hope so long ago...and faith in humanity I just wanted to understand "the rest of the world"...

Does this make any sense? I really thought I could be part of a glorious nation that raised the rest of the world up...I needed to know what we did wrong...too..

[Bucky]

54. That makes a lot of sense

Jonathan Edwards: "Shining City on a Hill."

I think we're gonna do okay in the long run. But I agree the temporary setbacks are heartbreaking sometimes.

Gotta go rest for tomorrow now. Takes care, Gerrilea.

[gerrilea]

56. Yes, and thanks Bucky...it was refreshing...work comes early for me

5am...

[RazBerryBeret]

57. Interesting point.......

I heard Alfre Woodward interviewed yesterday and she compared their experience by saying "accountable" experience.
Which puts it in perspective. When Obama was in the Illinois senate, he was accountable to the people. When HIllary was in the White House, she was not accountable to anyone, but Bill. Although she was under a microscope, she wasn't accountable.

that's a good way to look at it, IMO.

[OzarkDem]

10. She knows the job

She worked alongside Bill in many areas of his presidency from foreign policy to health care.
She knows the world leaders, has met them and worked with them and is respected by them. That's a whole lot more than Obama has to offer.

[islandmkl]

12. which ones from the 90's are still in charge?...

or did she meet with the underlings, who are now in charge?

[progdog]

13. It still doesn't prove

that she'll make the right decisions.

[TwilightGardener]

30. Has she released her papers to prove exactly how she "worked alongside" him?

She's "worked" with world leaders? I suppose Laura Bush "works" with world leaders? Hahahahaha!!!

[marylanddem]

14. Thank you

I am SO sick of her acting as if she spent 8 years as president. Just plain b.s. & I wish Obama or someone would call her on it.

[jenmito]

19. So am I...

and that's why I started this thread. I hope he does, too, or at least points out that all that "experience" didn't teach her the judgement to make good calls on the IWR, Kyl-Lieberman, etc.

[Enrique]

18. she had an office in the White House

she got up every day and went to work in the White House

[jenmito]

20. So did the maids.

[Enrique]

28. why have the discussion if you're going to be so silly?

what is the purpose?

[TwilightGardener]

33. It's true. Plus, I think DeeDee Miers is just as qualified, by your standards.

[jenmito]

52. I'm not being silly. I'm being factual. n/t

[RazBerryBeret]

22. hey....

can Monica Lewinsky claim WH "experience" too?

[jenmito]

25. According to Hillary's standards, yes. n/t

[gravity]

41. She was president in training

Hillary is a strong and ambitious woman, and I would bet she was running things behind the seens just as much as Bill was.

[jenmito]

55. Then so was their maid.

If she was running things behind the scenes, Bill would be running things this time, and she SAID he wouldn't be.