Wow do they dislike each other or what?

[proud2BlibKansan]

I missed the first half of the debate. Is it my imagination or are they giving each other some major bad looks? I also haven't noticed them looking at each other. Hillary is sitting there smirking while he speaks and Barack is looking down and making notes while she speaks.

This is really disappointing. They need to at least pretend they like each other.

[Jane Austin]

1. Her body language is telling.

She leans as far away from him as she can.

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. His hasn't been too good either

He is looking at her now. Good for him.

[madaboutharry]

2. I think they are both a little pissed.

I think she is pissed after losing 11 primaries in a row. I think he is pissed by the attacks from her campaign. They are going to need to get over this and whoever doesn't get the nomination is going to have to get in line to help get the other one elected.

[Thrill]

3. There is only one person on the stage acting nasty and hateful

And you know who it is. Thats a big contrast. People see it

[XemaSab]

4. They were cordial for the first bit

but then she brought up teh guy on Tweety who couldn't name any of his accomplishments and teh gloves came off.

[madaboutharry]

7. That was stupid of her, it was petty

Obama wasn't responsible for someone not doing his homework. The Clinton campaign tried to spin this as proof that Obama has accomplished nothing in his life. It makes her look like a 7th grader. She should be going to that level, she is better than that.

[speedoo]

8. Exactly. And then she got into the phony plagiarism bit right after that.

But Obama's been handling it ok.

[Skittles]

9. it certainly WAS copying

no matter how you spin it

[provis99]

11. frankly, I wish the candidates would copy each others good ideas

No point in sticking with an inferior position if the other candidate has a better idea. Maybe we should encourage this, rather than discourage it.

[Skittles]

17. it's fine

you just need to give credit where credit is due - that's all

[DemGa]

12. Indeed it was copying -- it's been proven

[proud2BlibKansan]

15. So I take it you didn't hear his explanation

which has been out there ever since this fake charge was leveled against him.

[Skittles]

16. he admitted he should have credited someone

which is good - but failed to explain why someone as high-profile as him feels the need to use anything recycled

[proud2BlibKansan]

23. Do you never say things you heard a friend say?

Or repeat something you read here on DU? I do it all the time. And no, I don't always say I heard someone else say it or I read it here.

[Skittles]

28. I actually do credit other people

yes, I do disclose the source - if it's something on DU I say, "I read this on a political board.." - yes, absolutely.....I may be more sensitive to it because I write stuff for people at work.

[proud2BlibKansan]

35. Well I don't

And I don't think it's a big deal at all.

[Skittles]

36. well, then plagiarism and copying just doesn't bother you

to each his own I suppose

[proud2BlibKansan]

37. It doesn't strike me as a problem when the person you are quoting says it's okay

Of course it is easy to leave out that part of the story, now isn't it?

[Kahuna]

38. Oh boy. So should he credit speech writers before every speech?

Of course he shouldn't. Same goes for Patrick. Like the speech writers he is an associate of the the campaign. No need to give a credit. Would have been nice, but not necessary.

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. That was nasty of her; she shouldn't have said that

And now that it is the end, she is pretending to be nice to him. Oh gag me Hillary.

[DemGa]

5. Can you blame her?

Obama has been using passive aggressive shit on Hillary for months -- pointing out her "negatives" created by the right-wing hate machine.

This bullshit needs to get its due.

[Skittles]

10. I don't know how she hangs in there with all the garbage thrown her way

I really don't

[Levgreee]

6. Hillary made a remark, "change you can xerox", about his "plagarism"

she started to make it nasty.

[Skittles]

18. xerox refers to copying

in that sense it was used correctly

[Eric J in MN]

19. Politics is about carrying out ideals which have been around for a long time,

...not about originality.

That is what make the scandal about Obama using a paragraph previously spoken by Deval Patrick bogus.

[Skittles]

21. it's fine to use stuff from other people

you just have to give credit where credit is due - I believe Obama has learned that now

[Eric J in MN]

22. Should politicians credit their speechwriters? NT

NT

[Skittles]

25. not necessary

because there is a contractual agreement there for the orator to use the writer's stuff - now stop spinning before you make yourself sick

[Eric J in MN]

30. Deval Patrick is one of the co-chairs of Obama's campaign

...and his friend.

[Skittles]

31. LOL

that has absolutely no bearing whatsoever - if anything it makes me wonder even MORE why he would fail to credit his "friend"

[Eric J in MN]

32. Politicians have speechwriters.

The paragraph wasn't necessarily something Deval Patrick wrote or wanted credit for.

[Skittles]

33. OMG

BYE

[proud2BlibKansan]

26. Guess so

From now on, I will be expecting Hillary to give credit to HER speechwriters :)

[shawmut]

20. what happened to the dream ticket?

[proud2BlibKansan]

24. It has become someone's nightmare

[shawmut]

27. I would still like to see it happen

[Metric System]

29. John King just reported on CNN that prior to the debate Hillary was the first to make the move and

greet Obama.

[ellisonz]

34. I have hatred in my heart for what the Clintons represent. n/t