*******OFFICIAL CNN DEMOCRATIC DEBATE THREAD #7*********

[Tatiana]

Thread #6 here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4704375

Thread #5 here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4703966

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Thread #2 here:
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Thread #1 here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4702531

[WritingIsMyReligion]

1. Ratcheting up the crowd a bit....

[NJSecularist]

2. Hillary dodging the superdelegate question.

[tekisui]

17. She's not worried about it, but I AM!

[Bicoastal]

3. SUPERDELEGATES....NOW we're getting somewhere....

[Colobo]

4. Obama is winning this debate. Clearly.

[Kahuna]

8. For an "empty suit" he's doing a helluva job. nt

[NDambi]

9. CLEARLY

[keep_it_real]

16. Agreed, by holding his own

[keep_it_real]

94. Hillary is honored to be up there with Obama

Got good applause; standing ovation for the two of them.

[keep_it_real]

107. It's over? What a lovefest

[keep_it_real]

117. What a lovefest

[keep_it_real]

Hillary may not want to admit it but

I think in her heart she knows she is outmatched a and defeated.

[earthside]

19. Yeah, I think so.

He's ahead in the polls, in delegates, in money raising.

So, he just needs to be as 'presidential' as he is.

Hillary, however, has done nothing yet to change the dynamic of this race or even this debate.

Therefore, Obama wins ... the debate ... and the nomination.

[blogslut]

5. kick

For the kickers

[Araxen]

6. Obama "All states count"

nice jab!

[anamandujano]

186. except Florida and Michigan

yeah, great jab

:eyes:

[crispini]

7. People are tired of politics dominated by power. - Obama. nt

[blogslut]

10. Rec!

For the recommenders!

[WritingIsMyReligion]

11. End now? Or just end for commercials?

:shrug:

[HeraldSquare212]

12. Wow - he took it back to a shot at her, I'm surprised

"people trying to get on TV trying to score points"

[Magleetis]

13. Unified Democratic party

and the presidency. Thats what matters.

[crispini]

14. Describe the moment that tested you the most

[Madam Mossfern]

28. I don't think he's doing so well on this tested question

he didn't reeally answe it - will she talk about Monica?

[skooooo]

15. If I support Obama, which I do....

...why do I feel sorry for Hillary???

:shrug:

I don't think she'd be a bad President, I just want Obama. He'd be better, but I get sucked into sentimentality.

(I posted this in thread 6 before it locked)

[Magleetis]

He gets

my mojo workin.

[patrice]

I really like his calling the People to Be the Change they want to see in the World.

[tammywammy]

31. I'm the same way

I clearly think Obama is the better of the two, but I feel that Clinton had so much promise. I don't know if it was all her or her advisers telling her to go this route (i.e. negative), but part of me is sad that she hasn't been able to do as well as she should have.

[skooooo]

I think Bill kind of messed things up too...

He didn't mean to.

Also, there are older women close to me who want Hillary to win, and I see their sadness I suppose.

But to have Obama in the Whitehouse...omg. YES.

[tammywammy]

Agreed

This is really an election on changing the way the political game is play. Hillary's old school, and not that there's anything wrong with that, but the American public wants something different after 7 years of Bush. I'm sorry for Hillary, but she could have done great things, if she hadn't run her campaign the way it's been going. And the more and more negative she goes the worst off she is.

Obama is a breath of fresh air (as my friend says).

[w13rd0]

181. The love of my life...

...and the person that "converted" me into a liberal is a Hillary supporter. Part of me wishes they both could win, just so she won't be sad (my love, not Hillary, though I'm not wishing sadness on Senator Clinton).

[Royal Oak Rog]

18. Hillary as democratic as Tracey Flick

[THUNDER HANDS]

20. if hillary doesn't answer Lewinsky, she's full of it

[NDambi]

23. LOL

[godai]

26. lol

[K Gardner]

30. LOL.. veiled reference to the blue dress

[soleft]

41. She basically did

[anamandujano]

21. He can't even stay focussed on the question.

[Royal Oak Rog]

32. he did veer there, but he's winning this thing

[Royal Oak Rog]

That's where Bill is, in some cheap hotel room I knew it

[RL3AO]

33. LOL!

[jenmito]

22. I KNEW Campbell was going to ask the final question to Obama first so Hillary could get the final

word.

[jgraz]

27. It's a typical bullshit question, too

[apocalypsehow]

24. Senator Obama is in control of this debate, even Clinton's nasty jabs are boomeranging.

n/t

[Kahuna]

42. Yep. He's rubber. She's glue. Tee hee. nt

[catagory5]

48. Obama 'schooled' her

Man did you see how he flipped his notebook paper?

Wow

[Tatiana]

25. I'm not liking Obama's response to this last question.

It's a philosophical question. It doesn't require the standard lines.

[jgraz]

37. I don't think anyone will care.

[NDambi]

38. I DIDNT LIKE IT EITHER

[sniffa]

70. MY CAPS LOCK CAN BEAT YOUR CAPS LOCK

[RunningFromCongress]

39. Is she gonna cry?

[godai]

44. going in that direction... n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

161. Oh fuck YOU!!!!

[Colobo]

40. Clinton is trying to score some sympathy points.

[K Gardner]

47. He kinda dodged it, or didn't answer it fully.. but Clinton is yammering now, so they're even

[LakeSamish706]

51. Yeah, it did actually and he did a great job answering it.... Its not about me...n/t

[anamandujano]

52. He throws the kitchen sink at all the questions.

[anigbrowl]

You uys asked for specifics, not hot air. This is how it sounds.

[tammywammy]

141. Isn't that what you wanted? Are you upset that you can't call him an "empty suit" anymore?

[anamandujano]

182. He can't answer the questions so he just keeps talking until the

time runs out. He throws out a few details and you guys go ape.

He repeats himself too much, trying to run down the clock.

[Renew Deal]

56. He can go with the Dilbert response

[earthside]

65. And it was a philosophical answer.

No 'okey dokey' here ... unlike what we are now hearing from Clinton(s), yet another injured veteran story from last week.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

29. Thanks. K & R.

:kick:

[Madam Mossfern]

66. She's going for schmaltz

but I think that it is working

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

185. Welcome to DU. LOL,

:toast:

[orchidlover127]

34. Good for her -nt

[GoldieAZ49]

35. oh pullllllleeezzzzzeeeee

[GoldieAZ49]

81. good, Hillary will vote for Obama, her supporters will too, nice end

[WritingIsMyReligion]

Lewinsky coming up....Clinton gets last word.

[Renew Deal]

36. .

[NDambi]

55. Voice quivering...she may be getting ready to cry...

[Tom Rinaldo]

43. Obama's close is not strong

He did not answer the question and tried to work it into a general statement on why he wants to be president and what he will do

[Kahuna]

Neither is Hillary's. She's not really answering the question.

[rosetta627]

No, his response is very weak to the question of what most tested him

Surprisingly lame.

[Dawgs]

45. Oh no she isn't!!

[Matteon]

46. Did she just elude to the Lewinsky scandal?

Good lord.

[Colobo]

50. Yes.

[K Gardner]

69. oh yup..

[Tom Rinaldo]

Yes, but appropriately

She said people know that she has been through some pretty difficult times - and that is the truth. People DO know that. ALL of us know that. It was honest and she handled it well by only giving it a glancing reference.

[IDemo]

83. No, she alluded to it. Bill did the eluding

[Captain Hilts]

171. Good one!

[WritingIsMyReligion]

49. Voice choking up.....CRYING JAG COMING ON?

:crazy:

[Kittycat]

59. Yep - here they come.

[Colobo]

61. Oh shit! She's crying again???

[Patsy Stone]

62. "How do you do it?"

:eyes:

[Araxen]

53. she's gonna cry

[Matteon]

63. Boo Hoo

Life must be rough for Hillary Clinton.

[jenmito]

68. That's what I thought.

[anigbrowl]

54. They're finishing out the clock now. Overall: Obama win IMHO

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

57. Ohhh, BAMC.

[NDambi]

79. She's honored...lol..she dogs him out ...but she's honored...

[THUNDER HANDS]

58. is she choking up?

[Kahuna]

78. She is. nt

[Sir Jeffrey]

60. WTF...is she going to cry again?

[skooooo]

She's tired, exhausted.

Cut her some slack.

[Tatiana]

64. OH MY GOD HILLARY THIS IS THE MOMENT....

She could repudiate the IWR right there. The set-up was perfect.

[shadowknows69]

72. She could but she won't

[Kittycat]

88. Never. She'll never admit fault. It's easier to pander.

[GCP]

95. She gave the perfect answer and ending to the debate

And he didn't get to make a come-back - for a change.
He was glaring at the end.

[tekisui]

98. Hillary, do you feel any responsibility for those injured soldiers?

Or, that's just not your problem.

[FrenchieCat]

103. But she won't....so she can talk about people's faces blown off all day long........

she's not taking responsibility....and that flies in the face of all else that she has to say.

[RunningFromCongress]

Do others agree Hillary's "OMG so nice to see you" face makes her look crazy?

[tishaLA]

67. She's trying to squeeze out a tear

[GCP]

Delete

[GCP]

133. Just STFU - the hate is unbecoming

[scheming daemons]

71. She's actually going to end the debate with tears? wow... chutzpah...

...

[nam78_two]

73. Have they asked any questions about environmental issues yet?

(I missed the first 1/2 hour of the debate).

[tammywammy]

82. no, they didn't

[anigbrowl]

86. nope. too late now. Actually, a problem in all debates so far.

[nam78_two]

127. Thanks -I thought as much...

Amazing that with all the info. coming from the scientific community about climate change and how much it could affect our lives, this is just as much of a non-issue in 2008 as it was in 2004 :shrug:.

[Madam Mossfern]

123. NO!

No environment

[RunningFromCongress]

74. I must be jaded, b/c I just don't think HRC's response was genuine...I thought she was trying to

make herself tear up

[Renew Deal]

84. She just about conceded.

:wow:

[crispini]

Wow, she kicked ass with that answer.

Talked about how other people are far more tested than she has been.

Very touching.

[krabigirl]

It was nice, and classy, especially when she shook his hand.

[orchidlover127]

75. Say what you will-nice finish Hill! nt

[anigbrowl]

115. Yep, good close by her. But I think he wins.

[sjdnb]

76. Obama can ramble and stumble, play the 'victim card' and yet ...

still be seen as the second coming. I just don't get it. But, obviously, many do:

"He walks into a room and you want to follow him somewhere, anywhere," George Clooney

"I'll do whatever he says to do. I'll collect paper cups off the ground to make his pathway clear." Halle Berry

"It's almost like the Messiah. You feel something coming from him." Jan Young, a 56-year-old convert from Hillary Clinton

"I believe he is The One." Oprah

"It's the sense that you're in the presence of someone who is touched with the gift of grace," says Ross Baker, a political scientist at Rutgers University in New Brunswick, N.J.

Can I hear an A-M-E-N!?!?

[skooooo]

"victim card"??

What in the world are you talking about?

[sjdnb]

139. Oh, please, all the Hillary 'attacks' crap

do a Google search ... the M$M 'attack' rhetoric has been played like a fiddle by Plouffe.

Read the actual statements, not quite the attacks the headlines and surrogates like to imply they are.

[w13rd0]

184. Well, Obama is a stronger man than I...

...because if Halle Berry said she'd do whatever I said to do...well, let's just say my political career would be very very brief.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

77. Geezus.....fucking suck-uping, and sounds half-conceding by Hillary!

Can't wait to see the pundits talking about this one.

[Colobo]

89. She sounds like she's giving up!

[WritingIsMyReligion]

105. My thougt exactly...for a split second I thought a concession was coming.

My heart stopped for a moment.

[ronnykmarshall]

167. Bull shit.

[goodgd_yall]

160. It's a peace pipe, fool.

[SayitAintSo]

80. EXCELLENT close for Hillary.....n/t

[Johnny__Motown]

101. I thought she was gonna cry

[Submariner]

85. Hillary Capitulated!

[Kahuna]

114. I think so. She just about conceded to Obama. nt

[blonndee]

87. I don't think this "breaking up" over the Iraq war

is going to help her at all. Everyone knows she voted for it, and even more importantly when it comes to politics, continues to dodge responsibility for her part in it.

[JackORoses]

153. she holds partial responsibility for that soldier with the burnt face

she will never directly admit it was a mistake.

[Matteon]

90. WHATEVER HAPPENS WE'RE GOING TO BE FINE!!!!!

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!

[More Than A Feeling]

Was that Hillary Clinton or John Edwards just now?

She borrowed the "we're going to be fine" line.

[shadowknows69]

104. thank you!!!!

plagiarism?

[Inspired]

131. A lot of Edwards lines and ideas are being 'borrowed'.

[soleft]

91. What a formidable human being Hillary Clinton is

i voted for and support Obama, but if Hillary should come back, I will be glad to vote for her.

[jackson_dem]

92. Will they stop the BS of pretending they like each other?

It has been widely reported they despise each other so why the phoniness for the cameras?

[rsmith6621]

93. Hillary........More Stories......

.....then substance.....is how she answers her questions.

[blogslut]

96. It's over

Whew

[Tatiana]

97. Hillary kills it at the end. Very good. n/t

[Magleetis]

99. Nice finish

Hillary

[NDambi]

111. Nice finish..but Obama won that debate

[JerseygirlCT]

100. Obama supporter here, but I have to say, that was a very

classy response from Hillary on that last question. Nicely done.

[goodgd_yall]

172. Thanks

for saying something nice instead of "it sounds like she's conceding."

[JerseygirlCT]

177. I really don't mind if they keep battling this out

but I much prefer the civil stuff, as things ended, then the silly stuff.

Bottom line, either one of them is far, far superior to McCain or anyone else the GOP put forward, right?

[wndycty]

102. She finally gave a concession speech. . .LOL

:kick: It was close at least.

[Tatiana]

152. Come on... we can give Hills her props when she's deserving

:hi:

[rosetta627]

She had a calling...

To sit on the WalMart board.

[crispini]

Wow.

Great close by Hillary. nt

[NRaleighLiberal]

106. Hillary just got the money shot. She closed better than Obama.

I think that they both had a strong debate. It will be interesting to see what resonates and replays from it - but if she needed a bases loaded hit in the last inning, she got it.

[Colobo]

113. She sounded good in the end.

[Renew Deal]

132. That was a squeeze play

It moved her up, but she lost an out overall.

[eleny]

108. Excellent finish by both

Let the Repukes try and top this.

[CreekDog]

109. she just said "the hits i've taken...nothing compared to..."

almost verbatim from Primary Colors.

doggone it, where does she come off lecturing Obama?

[FrenchieCat]

126. When she said that....I said, yet, like your hubby getting impeached....

because, well, you know.......

The nation had to endure that too, Mrs. Clinton, you know.

[CreekDog]

150. Yeah, but that wasn't her fault

By the way, I met you at a Wesley Clark thingy back in 2003 on College Ave. in Oakland. You told me your DU ID back then and I still remember.

:hi:

Nice to see you here.

[anamandujano]

187. Karl Rove thanks you!

[Konza]

168. I caught that too!

Listening to that I swear I heard that exact same line before.
I couldn't remember if it was Bill Clinton in New Hampshire in 1992, or during the Lewinsky thing or not. But I swore I remembered it because it was such a great comeback.

Glad to hear I'm not insane and that someone else remembered it too!

[CreekDog]

173. i emailed talkingpointsmemo to tell them about it

we'll see. to do that in a debate where she mocked Obama, unfairly, is really hypocritical.

[scheming daemons]

110. Am I the only one that thought Hillary seemed to CONCEDE at the end?

The last part sounds like a concession... almost....

[WritingIsMyReligion]

119. No, that's exactly what I thought.

:wow:

[goodgd_yall]

122. I didn't hear that

Projection?

[blogslut]

130. I think something just sunk in

Maybe not, but, well...

[godai]

136. She KNOWS what the numbers mean...TX and OH up in the air.

It seems to be getting harder and harder for her to go out each day and be happy, knowing she's behind, with little hope of catching up.

[Captain Hilts]

176. She's ahead double digits in OH and PA. nt

[dchill]

180. Yup. And a creat concession speech it was...

for once.

[Matteon]

112. WHATEVER HAPPENS WE'RE GOING TO BE FINE!!!!!

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!

[NDambi]

120. Sounds like ...I'm going to lose

[Tom Rinaldo]

116. Hillary had by far the stronger close

And she said she feels so honored to be sharing this moment with Senator Obama, which was a good touch. She said they would both be fine, what matters is that the American people be fine.

[Colobo]

124. She sounds like she is conceding!

[goodgd_yall]

140. You Obama supporters are just so much WANTING her to, you're hallucinating n/t

[HeraldSquare212]

163. That's what I thought -it's ridiculous to say "whatever happens"

My wife thought it was a play for women's support

[goodgd_yall]

169. Huh---women's support?

:shrug:

[HeraldSquare212]

178. My wife thought it was a pity play

[goodgd_yall]

128. Yes, she had an excellent closing

Well done.

[Inspired]

118. Barack and I will be just fine?

But what about the American people?

God....half of these statements came right from John Edwards mouth.

Talk about plagiarism.

[progressive_realist]

121. Did she just steal her final lines from Edwards?

I could have sworn he said something very similar in the Iowa debate.

[eleny]

135. No wonder it sounded so good

You're right. He did speak right along that line.

[Inspired]

144. Yes, this isn't the first line, or idea, that was taken from Edwards.

Listen to both of these candidates closely.

[apocalypsehow]

151. Yep, she sure did. IIRC, it was nearly word for word.

n/t

[THUNDER HANDS]

125. whoever went last with that question was going to look better

[anamnua]

137. Game, set, and match to Hillary

[FrenchieCat]

142. Unfortunately, she voted for that war.....that she is now using as her closing act.....

and hopefully, her concession.

[Tom Rinaldo]

147. Yes, but Obama had that advantage through most of the debate

He usually went second.

[anamandujano]

188. and he did a "What she said" everytime

[jenmito]

148. That's why I KNEW Brown was going to give it to Obama to answer first.

[crispini]

129. Ok, I was giong to switch over to MSNBC, but where's KO? nt

[bleever]

143. On at the top of the hour.

:hi:

[crispini]

156. Thanks bleever!

Will do

[reality based]

134. An incredibly good close by Clinton.

[meow mix]

138. candy crowly uuugh

eye bleach plz

[thevoiceofreason]

149. But she acknowledges Hill's screw-up

[IDemo]

145. From an Obama supporter here, nice unifying sentiment from Hillary to close

[JerseygirlCT]

159. I agree. I thought so, too.

Now if she could stick to that, and keep her staff and Bill on a tighter leash, she might do better.

That was a very classy end there, very unifying. Kudos to her.

[Vektor]

146. What a wonderful, gracious conclusion to the debate - by both candidates.

Terrific uplifting moment at the end.

[VenusRising]

154. I hated that she talked about those brave wounded soldiers in her closing.

She sent them to be wounded with her vote and now she is using them as examples of how lucky and blessed she is.

That does not sit well with me at all!

[RL3AO]

157. I felt the same way.

[MadBadger]

158. I thought she was going to cry.

[tammywammy]

162. That's what I was thinking

You voted for them to go to Iraq!

[VenusRising]

165. I'm so glad I'm not alone in my discomfort.

:hug:

[goodgd_yall]

166. Go on, keep telling yourself Hillary sent us to war

And not Bush, Rumsfeld, and Cheney.

[RL3AO]

170. LOL!

[VenusRising]

174. She made her opinion known with her vote and her Senate speech.

Yes, the Bush Administration was hell bent on getting us into war, but when she had the chance to voice her opposition, she faltered and voted in favor and gave Bush his way.

There was a vote. If you don't like her vote, don't blame me. I didn't get a vote. I would have voted No knowing that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

[blonndee]

179. Me neither. A MAJOR reason I went with Obama and why I think it

won't work for many. All it does is remind them of her part in bringing that about and her stubborn, bush-esque refusal to acknowledge any responsibility in doing so.

[MadBadger]

155. Joan Walsh is a Hack

on MSNBC she said Change you can Xerox was Hillary's best line. What a frickin hack.

[Straight Shooter]

175. It may be a ridiculous line, but you know everyone will be repeating it.

It's easy to remember.

Good on you for capitalizing Xerox. :thumbsup:

[Tatiana]

164. I have to say that tonight, it feels good to be a Democrat. n/t

[dchill]

183. Indeed. n/t

[sjdnb]

189. Maybe if you like being lied to or pandered to or preached to ... otherwise

the fact that JE is out and these two are in (the second coming and his lady), is sad, to say the least.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

190. Maybe you're confusing this debate with the R's.

:shrug: