Hillary's closing was a Grand Slam!

[Tennessee Gal]

[Pirate Smile]

1. It was excellent.

[MonkeyFunk]

2. Hell yeah!

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[NJSecularist]

4. Too bad she struck out swinging for most of the debate

[ORDem]

115. The only "hit" according to the MSM was the Xerox comment.

"If your candidacy is going to be about words then they should be your own words," she said. "...Lifting whole passages from someone else's speeches is not change you can believe in, it's change you can Xerox."

The debate audience booed.

How's that workin' for ya Hillary?

:dem:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

153. I think you lose if you get booed, and Hillary was booed over that Xerox crap - link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4707176

[Mezzo]

178. The booing says a lot more about Obama supporters than it does about her. nt

[Raejeanowl]

217. Bingo n/t

[krkaufman]

191. The fact that she still went for the Xerox comment after Obama had just deflated the issue ...

... really made it look bad for her. She just jumped right into the "political silly season" frame that Obama had just created.

[Iris]

200. That's ridiculous. Anyone could plant "boo-ers" so how's that the one thing that makes someone lose

a debate?

[Iris]

213. and I have to add - does booing totally negate a standing ovation?

[pnwmom]

207. Then you win if you get cheered, and she had a standing ovation. n/t

[Iris]

199. You've got to be kidding.

This is truly getting tiresome.

[RememberWellstone]

5. BANG!!!

WHat an ending!! Awesome ending!! What a great woman!! I would be proud of her to be my President!!!

[Seabiscuit]

192. BAM!

That was the clincher for me. Now I'd be proud to see her as our President, even though I've never supported her in the past.

[Maven]

6. She finished very strong.

[Enrique]

7. a walkoff grand slam

[rodeodance]

8. not watching but incline to take your word:-)

[pnwmom]

32. She talked about how honored -- with a stress on the word "honored"

to be on the stage with Barack Obama -- and (now I'm totally paraphrasing) that no matter what happened, they would be working together to help America.

[rodeodance]

58. nice-thanks. ---way to go gal:-)

[ORDem]

117. Of course she's honore to be on stage with the next POTUS. n/t

Good for her!!

[pnwmom]

9. Absolutely. Great close -- and I hope she is right, and that those

two fine Americans will be able to continue to work together to help move America forward.

[Zueda]

10. Crying about what she helped cause....

brilliant!

[mtnsnake]

22. Stop festering in such bitterness all the time, will ya?

[pnwmom]

40. Some people can't, apparently. n/t

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[ExtraGriz]

11. she was excellent...

obama looked lost at time but she didnt waver at all.

[kennetha]

12. Brought tears to my eyes

Hillary's closing was amazing, heartfelt, warm, mature, compassionate. She showed herself to be a much more mature and seasoned person than Barack.

[trueblue2007]

37. tears to ,y eyes too. That remark about the person with the disfigured face

she is a wonderful speaker

[Iceburg]

74. Me too ... many tears.

[kennetha]

13. Brought tears to my eyes

Hillary's closing was amazing, heartfelt, warm, mature, compassionate. She showed herself to be a much more mature and seasoned person than Barack.

[ashling]

148. "compassion you can xerox" - attributed to another DU poster

Hillary would have alleged that he had xeroxed one of John Edwards's speeches.

I have been trying to stay out of this since I can and will vote for either one. However, Hillary is really making the decision easy for me.

[kennetha]

14. Brought tears to my eyes

Hillary's closing was amazing, heartfelt, warm, mature, compassionate. She showed herself to be a much more mature and seasoned person than Barack.

[ashling]

152. OK

Hillary would have alleged that he had xeroxed one of John Edwards's speeches.

I have been trying to stay out of this since I can and will vote for either one. However, Hillary is really making the decision easy for me.

[kennetha]

Brought tears to my eyes

Hillary's closing was amazing, heartfelt, warm, mature, compassionate. She showed herself to be a much more mature and seasoned person than Barack.

[sandnsea]

15. If you like cotton candy

I still can't stomach her phony plastic, blech.

[rodeodance]

67. notice your bitterness is way outnumbered on this thread. You comments are getting quite sickening

[sniffa]

16. I agree

and not just because she didn't shriek into the mic.

[kennetha]

17. Brought tears to my eyes

Hillary's closing was amazing, heartfelt, warm, mature, compassionate. She showed herself to be a much more mature and seasoned person than Barack.

[kennetha]

18. Brought tears to my eyes

Hillary's closing was amazing, heartfelt, warm, mature, compassionate. She showed herself to be a much more mature and seasoned person than Barack.

[MonkeyFunk]

35. kennetha

just click once. The site is slow, but the first click will eventually go through.

[Bluebear]

42. OK, he was REALLY moved.

;)

[MonkeyFunk]

60. LOL

:thumbsup:

[ronnykmarshall]

143. Unlike some purple dildos around here.

[dchill]

97. Oh oh - I think he's plagiarizing himself!

:)

[Emit]

172. The tears got in the way

of the Post Message button ;)

[Bucky]

38. Is your name Argus by any chance?

[zulchzulu]

19. It sounded like she was giving up to me

She said she will be fine...and that is the American people she is worried about...that sounds like a swan song to me.

[Tennessee Gal]

31. I call it being humble.

That is a quality I admire.

[zulchzulu]

69. She hasn't congratulated Obama in public the last three defeat days she had

She is arrogant and a sore loser.

Sure, she said she called Obama to congratulate him. But could she say it in public? Hell no. She is too much of a non-leader to do so. For me, the sign of a good winner is when they can be gracious when they lose. Hillary can't face that.

[rodeodance]

91. GIVE IT UP--AND YOU BITTERNESS. IT GETS REAL OLD

[zulchzulu]

98. The one that's bitter and needs to give up is Hillary

She can't admit failure. That's the first sign of a LOSER.

[rodeodance]

100. your coments are losers. Enough said!

[zulchzulu]

121. Your typos and yappishness are amusing

When does the short bus pick you up in the morning? Get to bed.

[pnwmom]

123. Obama didn't congratulate her publicly every time he lost.

This is TRIVIA.

[zulchzulu]

128. Watch the first 30 seconds of Obama's speech after the New Hampshire race

In the first ten seconds, he congratulated her on her victory.

Actually, Hillary congratulated Obama on his first victories as well. That was a short and momentary lapse in dignity it seems.

[Raejeanowl]

221. I Guess That's Why Obama Didn't Concede When She Was Beating Him? n/t

[pnwmom]

120. You must be a rank political novice, to make such an issue of this. n/t

[zulchzulu]

125. Leaders admit their losses and congratulate their winning opponents

That's the mettle that makes a role model.

A sore loser that can't accept defeat and say a few words for the winner in a contest is nothing but a loser in life.

[krkaufman]

198. It's not about being a "sore loser" ... it's about the long, hard slog ...

... that is a US Presidential campaign. Any other election campaign is over after one primary or GE and so congratulating the victor has little effect since the congratulator has already lost, but Presidential candidates have to go through numerous primary elections and so a candidate wants to avoid creating the perception of any opponent as "winner" and themselves as "loser" to dampen any compounding effect early results might have on later primaries.

[krkaufman]

196. She doesn't want to congratulate him in public ...

... because that will place the image of "Obama as winner, Hillary as loser" in the mind of the viewers, including, most importantly, those who haven't yet voted. She's just trying to diminish the damage from so many consecutive losses, heading into the Mar 4 primaries.

I doubt that Hillary's the only politician to forgo publicly congratulating her opponent(s) in a Presidential primary campaign.

[pnwmom]

46. I think it was just an acknowledgement that only one of them can win. n/t

[polichick]

62. Jeffrey Tubin (sp?) on CNN just agreed with you. nt

[krkaufman]

195. Perhaps. Another take is that she's was trying to end the debate on a soft note ...

... to cover for the harsher attacks in the middle, hoping to leave some of the "info" from the attacks in people's minds but counter the possible blowback by ending with a softer, collegial attitude.

For me, the contrast between the closing statement and her earlier, petty attacks made the closing seem equally scripted.

[DemGa]

20. Hillary showed Americans who the real thing is tonight!!

[jlake]

21. It was Sensational - Go Hillary!

[rodeodance]

30. :-)

[polichick]

23. Nice finish for her - seemed very compassionate. nt

[judaspriestess]

24. It was pretty damn good!!

I loved it.

[CalGator]

I'll give her credit on the closing question.

that was answered very well. I don't think she fared well on (at least expressing) healthcare, and lost some of the crowd on the Xerox comment.

[pnwmom]

54. I thought that she was smart to quote Edwards about how

we couldn't have Social Security or Medicare if we hadn't made them mandatory.

[high density]

25. The only thing she'll be remembered for in this debate is the Xerox comment

That will be replayed again and again until the next news cycle.

[pnwmom]

83. She'll be remembered for that closing, which was very powerful. n/t

[rodeodance]

92. let see. I can see you like simple things.

[peoli]

26. in the little league world series!

[karynnj]

27. I don't think so - what challenges is she referring to?

She had a privileged life - elite schools, Governor's wife, First Lady. The hardship was having a husband cheat on her.

[Tennessee Gal]

44. You don't know much about her.

[karynnj]

64. I was a well read person throughout the 1990s and I read her boring

autobiography. I would bet I was as informed then as you were.

[Tennessee Gal]

104. She has worked hard all her adult life. And fought through setbacks.

I admire her for that.

[MoonRiver]

28. She was wonderful! DU freepers on this thread sound like they just clawed their way out of a cave.

Go back to the dark side, pale wiggly ones.

[proud2BlibKansan]

29. You have got to be kidding

[theHandpuppet]

33. Overall I think she did a great job and the closing was terrific

But I do wish this issue of plagiarism would be dropped. I could care less if Barack Obama stood up and recited the Gettysburg Address. Clinton's speeches have always had more substance for me and that's all that matters.

[AGirl]

34. It made me want to cry!

[Renew Deal]

36. She practically conceded.

:wow:

[ProSense]

47. You think? n/t

[Zueda]

53. That was my wife's exact words right after the debate.

[dchill]

99. Mine, too.

:)

[Zueda]

59. LOL.... Jeff Toobin just said it.

[busymom]

41. Freaking Awesome!

[Perky]

43. Yep she swung at an eefus pitch and knocked it out of the park

She did well at a softball question

[CyberPieHole]

45. Yes, it was. Kick and recommend

[JackORoses]

48. in T-ball maybe...I think the American People have had enough teary eyed moments from Hillary

[judaspriestess]

56. she was teary eyed?

hmmm, did I watch a different debate?

[pnwmom]

57. It was warm and human. But, once again, leave it to a guy to call it "teary."

[rodeodance]

75. grow up--notice not to many appreciating cracks tonight on this thread!!

[Raejeanowl]

219. Real, Original, and Unscripted Compassion n/t

[Starbucks Anarchist]

49. I'm for Obama, but Hillary had a nice closing statement.

[PresidentObama]

50. I stood up in my living room, and started clapping.

That's exactly the finish she needed in this very important debate.

Kudos Hillary!!

Great debate tonight. You did GREAT!!

[Beacool]

179. Nice picture of Kerry and Teresa! n/t

[fadedrose]

51. All of the applause

The applause wasn't all for Hillary; at some point Obama looked to his right and I think he noticed that the CNN people were calling for applause for both candidates since it was the end of the debate.

All of the debates have ended with an applause for ALL of the candidates. The stupid way that CNN did it was not to ask for applause publicly, but with hand signals apparently.

[JimGinPA]

52. Someone Who Voted To Authorize The War Talking About Wounded Vets?

Wrong.

[FrenchieCat]

55. As ironic as it gets. And then to call it a grand slam. What about

Shock and Awe!

[JimGinPA]

63. Someone Else Pointed Out - She Brought Monica To Mind nt

[VenusRising]

78. I posted this same thought in the Debate 7 thread.

It just didn't sit well with me.

[pnwmom]

81. She voted for the IWR because Bush was going to attack Iraq anyway .

He had already announced that he had an opinion from his Attorney General that gave him legal cover for attacking Iraq -- or anywhere that "harbored" terrorists -- even without Senate approval (without any IWR). Many Democrats thought this was a terrible precedent to set, and so Biden, Lugar, and Hagel met with the White House to draft a COMPROMISE IWR that would limit Bush to Iraq, and that set some other conditions that he was SUPPOSED to meet before he attacked Iraq.

There was nothing the Democrats could have done to stop him. All the Democrats could do was to vote against an IWR, and then to impeach him -- but this would have been a toothless impeachment because there wouldn't have been enough votes for conviction. Or some of the Democrats could join with the Rethugs to pass a compromise IWR, with at least some restrictions.

I don't blame those Democrats who thought it was important not to set a precedent where a President could take the country to war, without Senate approval, without serious sanctions. I didn't blame Biden then, and I don't blame Hillary Clinton now.

[Straight Shooter]

94. Thank you. A lot of people totally forget the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution.

All but 2 voted for it, but many of the same parallels. Those Senators were never browbeaten for their votes, including one Ted Kennedy.

[krkaufman]

203. That has to be the worst rationalization I've heard for the IWR vote.

Please don't take this as a personal attack; it's not intended as such.

Preemptively giving Bush faux legal cover for a later impeachment? I have relatively more respect for Hillary, now, because I've never heard her cite this as a reason for her vote.

p.s. "Biden, Lugar and Hagel" does not "many Democrats" make. That's one Democrat. And a craven one, at that, if the above was his justification for voting for the IWR.

[pnwmom]

206. You've completely misunderstood my post.

Bush already had legal cover -- the letter from the Attorney general -- and he was determined to use it to attack Iraq, with or without the support of the Senate. The Democrats could not have stopped him from doing this. All they could have done was impeached him after the fact -- if they could get the votes in the House. But they already knew that they couldn't get the 2/3 votes for conviction in the Senate. So the precedent would have been set that the President could take the country to war without getting authorization from Congress -- and without serious consequences.

Bush also had another alternative, if he did want an IWR. If the Democrats had voted en masse against the compromise IWR in October, when Bush's popularity was still extremely high from 9/11, all Bush would have had to do was wait until January, when the Rethugs had their new majority in Congress. They would have given him the blank check he wanted, allowing him -- according to Chuck Hagel -- to attack terrorists virtually anywhere in the world.

So nothing the Dems could have done would have stopped Bush. The most they could do was try to put some limits on him, by agreeing with him on a compromise IWR -- that at least attempted to put some limits and conditions on him. I wish they hadn't -- I was one of the people protesting on the streets at the time -- but maybe they were right. We're not in Iran -- yet -- and that may be because of the agreement Bush made when we accepted the IWR.

[krkaufman]

210. So, to summarize... "political expedience disguised as political necessity"

[DUyellow]

93. that is all i thougth about!

[NoodleyAppendage]

61. Grand Slam of Verbal Diarrhea and False Sincerity.

You pro-DINO/DLC HillBots, many of whom deep in your recessed souls rest "fear of the black man," can faun all over your "girl" but when the rubber hits the road...she will FAIL.

J

[jasmine621]

65. I feel sorry for you. nt

[NoodleyAppendage]

72. I don't need your false pity. Good luck scraping the Clinton bumpersticker off your car...

...when she loses the general election. And, she will. BET ON IT.

J

[goodgd_yall]

80. Don't choke on your bitter pill

schmuck.

[Tennessee Gal]

73. You are truly pathetic.

[ronnykmarshall]

116. Very true.

Fucking assholes on a roll tonight.

[rug]

84. You must enjoy comic book dialogue.

[pnwmom]

87. You appear to be the one suffering from verbal diarrhea. n/t

[Straight Shooter]

96. Playing the race card. Shame. n/t

[unapatriciated]

101. Your type of bashing is what turns voters like myself off.

I voted for Edwards and will support OUR nominee in the GE, but you sir are not a credit to your candidate. I watched the debate and thought that they both did well but Senator Clinton pulled ahead on Health Care, Cuba and Immigration. What I fear is voters like you, who might jump the shark or stay home if your candidate is not nominated. Your use of the word "girl" shows you to be a bigot and in no position to judge anyone else.

[NoodleyAppendage]

142. Dumbass. I used the word girl in quotes to denote it was a term Hillary used to describe herself.

Hillary used the term "girl," as in "I'm your girl!" early in the campaign to try to woo impressionable voters to her side solely upon the basis of her gender. Now, you tell me why that is proper. Would it be proper for Obama to tell African-Americans, "I'm your brother."

J

[krabigirl]

145. "dumbass" ? nice.

[unapatriciated]

169. You did not use it in the same way....

Just because you put quotations on the word does not hide your intent to slam her. You also suggested anyone who does not support Obama is a closet racist. He was not my choice in the primary based on his platform and nothing else. Is name calling your only resource when someone disagrees with you? IMHO that is not how you gain supporters for your candidate. It's a good thing that I have already decided to vote the nominee, cause comments like yours make me want to write in Edwards.

[rodeodance]

103. TAKE A HIKE AND TAKE YOUR HATEFUL BITTERNESS WITH YOU~

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76. Grand Slam of Verbal Diarrhea and False Sincerity.

You pro-DINO/DLC HillBots, many of whom deep in your recessed souls rest "fear of the black man," can faun all over your "girl" but when the rubber hits the road...she will FAIL.

[Raejeanowl]

220. Got Enough Hate There? n/t

[liberalmuse]

66. People get so ugly this time every election year.

Hillary done good. I ignore the obnoxious detractors from both sides. They suck and I do not care for people who make snide remarks and stupid comments about two of the best Presidential candidates we've had since RKF. I say to them, "Fuck you, bitches!"

[blocker]

68. Wow you guys are way too emotional!

It was a nice concession speech!

[pnwmom]

126. Yeah, I guess we must be suffering from PMS.

Or is it perimenopause?

[rodeodance]

186. hey newbie guy--you got a problem with emotions??

[David Zephyr]

70. Objectively, she closed very strongly and that's why "lasting impressions" are called "lasting".

Overall, the debate was like watching a Harvard debate or having a nice Pinot Noir with a good meal. They both were great. But Hillary's closing comment were made for a televised audience. She did better than I'd expected her to.

[busymom]

71. Listen to the media already take her apart.

I want to start a thread about what wankers the people at CNN are. They're already talking about how she can't stop him. What a bunch of losers. Isn't it great that we have the media here to decide this stuff for us so we don't have to make up our own minds.

[loveangelc]

76. what are u talking about?

[rodeodance]

106. oh crap-------i am not listening --i await your thread. thanks

[Maddy McCall]

77. Yes. It was.

[progressive_realist]

79. It was a lot better when Edwards said it.

Almost two months ago.

:eyes:

[ronnykmarshall]

82. 500.00 worth more from my house!!!

[Tennessee Gal]

88. A donation?

What a great idea!

[ronnykmarshall]

102. Yup!

My husband and I were in tears. She brought it home. If it only means it helps her to settle her debt or moves her on the Presidency. It's money well spent.

[Tennessee Gal]

107. I totally agree!

Kudos and $100 from me right now!

[ORDem]

124. Good grief, and HRC supporters accuse Obama supporters of

being emotional and going only for rhetoric.

I hope it's money you can afford to lose.

:dem:

[Tennessee Gal]

137. Actually, I have donated to Hillary several times.

But it really is none of your business.

[krkaufman]

204. I was thinking about that myself... how this thread is about Hillary's inspirational statement ...

... at the end of the debate, by the same people who decry Obama for his "speechifying." Of course, Obama detractors will claim that this is OK because Hillary balances inspiration with substance, but only by ignoring Obama's years of experience and accomplishments.

It was a good thought from Hillary. My only issue with it is that it rang as hollow after her earlier, petty attacks on Obama -- with both seeming scripted.

[rodeodance]

108. YOU ARE WONDERFUL:-)

[slingsam]

85. I just got home

and caught the last question.........That.....is what a Grand Slam Breakfast....looks like..She was stupendous.....and I am just trusting that the imbecilic replies on this post are just from the trolls. We have two spectacular politicians to choose from.....

What do the rest of the minions have? (Emphasis....on "What".....)

I mean...you've met their stars.....

A Geriatric Waraholic, A Nutso Country Preacher......and Ron Paul!!!!!

Ron Paul........

Ok...got to pee! (I get like that when I LMAO)

[Seabiscuit]

86. Absolutely Fantastic! For the first time I got goosebumps watching a Hillary speech.

[rodeodance]

112. good goosebumps.

[tandem5]

89. I think the look on Obama's face when she closed said it all nt

[nonconformist]

90. It was absolutely excellent. She's so fast on her feet. Amazing. nt

[rodeodance]

109. that she is.

[RL3AO]

95. It was a grand slam.

Too bad she was down by 7 runs.

[Asia Expat]

105. What a marvelous finish nt

[workinclasszero]

110. Hillary was booed

And at the end I think she pretty much conceded the race.

Maybe she will surprise me and gracefully get out of the race.

Time will tell.

[pnwmom]

114. She was cheered much more often.

Yeah, some of Obama's supporters booed one of her comments. Big deal.

[AZBlue]

111. Wow. Either we didn't watch the same debate or you

people are grasping desperately at straws. I'm going with the second option.

[pnwmom]

129. You don't think that was a great closing?

Talking about how she was honored, absolutely honored, to be on the stage with Barack Obama? And that the two of them would be fine -- she just wanted the same to be true for America?

As someone who is in neither camp, I thought it was a very warm, positive way for the debate to end.

[AZBlue]

133. No, honestly I wasn't moved by it at all.

It sounded too canned. I do like the sentiment expressed, it's just she didn't come across genuine to me. I'm an Obama supporter, but that doesn't mean that Clinton doesn't say things I don't agree with - quite the opposite. I just didn't believe this comment from her.

[otohara]

161. I'm With You

and the applause seemed like it was for both candidates. Not only was the beginning a repeat of New Hampshire, it ended with John Edwards line. I'd heard it before, so maybe that's why I' didn't get all a twitter.

[AtomicKitten]

135. I liked it when John Edwards said the very same thing ....

here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAYItnI-lPo

[AtomicKitten]

113. It was her Grand Slam Swan Song.

[Colobo]

119. Very classy way to concede.

[AtomicKitten]

131. if only it was that

sigh

[donheld]

138. The Plagiarized Grand Slam LMAO!

She rants about plagiarizing, then plagiarizes the finale. Lovely!

[thevoiceofreason]

I hear Denny's is going to sue!

[AtomicKitten]

177. Isn't that hilarious?!!!

And the funny thing is that her minions here at DU that made such a huge stink about Obama are perfectly fine with it. Such epic hypocrisy coming from the Clinton camp.

[AX10]

118. kick

[blocker]

122. She's getting slammed now

their saying Obama won on cnn, their saying she blew it, but once again great concession speach!

[Tennessee Gal]

127. Just look at all the Obama folks here slamming.

What is the matter with you?

Can't stand to have even one positive Hillary thread here?

Take your shit to another thread.

[donheld]

141. Why shouldn't her plagiarizing hypocracy be pointed out?

[Tennessee Gal]

144. You have plenty of other threads to do that!

[donheld]

154. So the truth is banned from this thread?

:shrug:

[gmudem]

185. Sorry but Hillary did the exact same thing

That her campaign was accusing Obama of. It was blatantly obvious to a big Edwards fan like me that she was completely taking his lines. I don't really mind because it is a great line, however if her campaign utters plagiarism even one more time, then I mean, gimme a break!

[Exilednight]

130. It sounded like a concession speech.

[THUNDER HANDS]

132. more like an intentional walk

using wounded veterans as cover for your own hard times is like holding a baby in front of you when you're about to get into a fight.

How could anyone not applaud it?

[Raffi Ella]

134. She is a beautiful human being.

I don't know how this woman can not be voted in as the next President of The United States of America.

I am so proud of her and I would be so proud to have her representing this great nation of ours.

I think she truly proved herself tonight to not only to be a uniting force but a force to be reckoned with in the White House.

She is amazing.

[Tennessee Gal]

136. Yep, amazing.

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[zulchzulu]

140. Video shows she STOLE Edwards speech!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAYItnI-lPo

:rofl:

[Tennessee Gal]

146. I watched.

I'm not buying.

Spread your crap on the multitude of other threads your ilk started tonight.

[jillan]

149. oooh - you go girl!

[KAZ]

157. I'm getting tired of this. Just because you start a thread ...

.. does not mean that you, and your tribe, can tell everyone to not post replies if you don't happen to agree with them. If you want private, support Clinton threads, then go here. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=334

[pnwmom]

162. She didn't tell anyone not to post replies. She just disagreed with them. n/t

[KAZ]

164. Guess you missed this part.

"Spread your crap on the multitude of other threads your ilk started tonight". And a certain poster in the "group" tells everyone that their posts are "poop", and that they should "get lost". I know you've seen those.

[Tennessee Gal]

187. Don't you think it is quite rude to come on a thread and attack when

supporters are simply enjoying a moment? Especially when there are many other threads addressing your point of view? I do.

[zulchzulu]

158. Get some money to buy a sound card for your computer

If you don't see just how much of a plagiarizing phony Hillary is with that footage, I'm assuming you had the sound either not available or turned off.

[ProSense]

166. It wasn't just Edwards, it was

Bill too

She has a history of Xeroxing: war on science and other statements.

[workinclasszero]

151. OMG!!! Paging all Hillary supporters!

Alert the media Hillary plagiarized a John Edwards speech!!!

What a **ckin outrage!

Hypocrisy, thy name is HILLARY!!!

[AlertLurker]

202. Big deal. Obama stole his entire campaign.

Hypocrites - one and all.

[sfam]

147. Was definitely a terrific terrific closing line...but I think she really needed...

a knockout punch of some kind here. I think that ending line definitely gets her a few undecideds, but I don't see it changing the course of the election. If she doesn't get a game changer in the next debate, this thing is over.

EDIT: But it was the line of the night, and definitely deserved the ovation it got.

[loveangelc]

174. I don't think it got an ovation but people were standing up because it was over

[TheZug]

150. Gee, I thought plagiarism was important.

Shouldn't she have begun by saying "To quote words from my husband and Senator Edwards"?

I guess not when it's your candidate.

[AgadorSparticus]

155. I agree. Too bad she didn't take that tone sooner...

[DeepModem Mom]

156. K&R

[AJH032]

159. what did she say?

I've been gone all day.

[TheZug]

160. Don't worry--you heard it all before from two other people.

[pnwmom]

163. She said she was honored, absolutely honored,

to have been sharing the stage with Barack Obama, and that they would both be fine, no matter what happened, but that she hoped that the same would be true for all Americans.

And then she -- or perhaps, they -- got a standing ovation.

[cloud75]

165. it was awesome

[IndianaGreen]

167. It was rehearsed and contrived, and it was borrowed from Edwards and Primary Colors

Who you calling a plagiarist?
21 Feb 2008 10:47 pm

During the debate, Dan Drezner suggested to me over IM that Hillary Clinton was plagiarizing Primary Colors. He backs it up on his own blog:

Hillary Clinton, February 21, 2008 debate with Barack Obama: "You know, lifting whole passages from someone else's speeches is not change you can believe in, it's change you can Xerox." Hillary Clinton, later on in the same debate: "You know, the hits I've taken in life are nothing compared to what goes on every single day in the lives of people across our country." Jack Stanton speech, in Primary Colors (New York: Random House, 1996), p. 162: "Y'know, I've taken some hits in this campaign. It hasn't been easy for me, or my family. It hasn't been fair, but it hasn't been anything compared to the hits a lot of you take every day."

Meanwhile, Chris Beam at Slate picks up on another instance:

Hillary, however, pivots in a way that evokes, of all things, her Diner Sob. Only this time, she sets herself up: “People often ask me, ‘How do you do it? How do you keep going?’ ” That’s the exact same question asked by Marianne Pernold Young at the Café Espresso in Portsmouth, New Hampshire on the eve of the primary. Clinton then goes into a colorful anecdote about a medical center filled with people injured in Iraq. She doesn’t exactly tear up, but it’s a deliberately emotional moment. (We see Chelsea looking teary afterwards.) At the very end, she borrows a line that John Edwards used toward the end of his campaign. "We're going to be fine," she said, referring to herself and Obama. (Edwards always said it about himself and Elizabeth.) "I just hope we can say the same thing about the American people."

http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/02/who_you_calling_a_plagiarist.php

[grantcart]

170. how in the hell do they find this stuff so fast?

[ContinentalOp]

168. LOL! It was the confusing applause at the end.

My wife was listening in without watching and asked "Is Hillary getting huge applause?" and I said "no, I think it suddenly ended." It was a very awkward transition but it did give the impression that she had an amazing closing!

[cloud75]

171. she put life in perspective the part of the debate by far.

[CreekDog]

173. She copied from the best

[IndianaGreen]

175. and from Edwards and Joe Klein's Primary Colors

Hillary gets a pass when it comes to her "borrowing" someone else's words.

[CreekDog]

176. No she won't, not this time, it will be all over --heck it is all over already

they are going to eat this up, it will be too fun for them not to.

and mostly because she so brazenly made an issue of it with Obama during the same debate.

if only the Daily Show wasn't in reruns this week.

[Beacool]

180. Her words were very moving!!!!!!!

She's one remarkable woman and I think that the country will come to regret not having her as president.

As far as the usual Obama groupies that feel compelled to always poop on any positive post about Hillary: I'll remember every slight this November as I write in Hillary's name. Your candidate obviously doesn't need Hillary's millions of supporters to win the presidency, right?

[LadyVT]

181. Yes, it was absolutely beautiful... and highlighted the differences between

them in a lovely way.

He talked about himself, his difficult childhood, his own great challenges and need to accept responsibility for his actions. Then about his work for the community. About how he decided to do civil rights law instead of corporate law at first. About how if he is the nominee, he will bring change. All about him, his difficulties.

Hillary spoke about having been with people who are genuinely suffering. She said her difficulties are nothing compared with so many other people's.

Neither are Barack's. I don't think Barack believes that, truly. He is overfocused on himself, and on having been wounded as a child.

[avrdream]

182. Yeah, that was beautiful.

If there were undecided voters watching, they would be leaning Hillary now.

All the other blogs I have checked are agreeing with this thread. Haven't been to Huff yet but, for the most part, the bloggers elsewhere seemed to like her in this debate.

Around here, a different story, sadly. Why can't people be happy that we have such good candidates?

[rodeodance]

183. YOU GO GAL

[gmudem]

184. I agree, it was great when Edwards used the same exact line

Did Hillary really think people wouldn't notice that? She perormed it well but it's interesting that she decided to do that after all this plagiarism baloney.

[Tennessee Gal]

188. Exact same line?

I don't think so.

[gmudem]

215. You don't?

Well maybe not the exact same, but just about.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tJ3YZBu930U

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PN-a7ihIHS0

It's nice that you blindly like Hillary, but her *ahem* borrowing in last night's debate was quite obvious to almost all viewers I'm sure.

[krkaufman]

189. Contrasted with her earlier statements and behavior in the debate ...

... it rang as somewhat hollow and equally planned. I hope it was heartfelt, but the words and emotion seemed to contrast too greatly with her earlier petty attacks for me to feel it so.

YMMV. And, as I said, I hope I'm wrong.

[TexasLady]

190. I liked it!

but then I really like both candidates.

[rodeodance]

193. AP: Analysis: Clinton chooses graciousness ******

this is from the AP----I made a mistake (not nytimes)

Go back to previous topic
Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject NYT: Clinton chooses graciousness
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4710861#4710861
4710861, NYT: Clinton chooses graciousness
Posted by rodeodance on Fri Feb-22-08 03:41 AM

Yes she did. simple as that.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080222/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_analysis ;_ylt=Akjoc4yerQCdGVTkT2OSrkb5R9AF

Analysis: Clinton chooses graciousness

By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer 34 minutes ago

AUSTIN, Texas - Hillary Clinton,…

"No matter what happens in this contest — and I am honored, I am honored to be here with Barack Obama," she said at the conclusion of the 90-minute forum. "Whatever happens, we're going to be fine."

………

Clinton's generous praise of Obama stood out — an unprompted gesture that followed another poignant moment, when she acknowledged the pain of her husband's dalliance with White House intern Monica Lewinsky and his subsequent impeachment.

"I think everybody here knows I've lived through some crises and some challenging moments in my life," she said, winning applause and cheers.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

194. got the only standing ovation of the night

[misanthrope]

223. You mean the ovation that was clearly for the end of event?**nm

**

[GOTV]

197. It was a great ending but it was overshadowed by the Xerox flub....

.... that's what the media is latching on to.

[Iris]

201. The Xerox comment is only a flub because that's what the MSM is latching on to.

Why can't people think for themselves for a change?

[GOTV]

212. She should know that the media loves zingers....

.... If she wanted the inspirational ending to be the focus she should have avoided the zingers.

[gmudem]

216. No it was a flub because the line completely sucked.

And it was the only time there was any booing at all during the debate. An awful moment for Hillary.

[JoFerret]

205. It was quite brilliant and classic Hillary at her best

It will be such a terrible shame if we are to be "robbed" of this person who can really get down to work on the things we need doing right now.
This country needs her competence and command. What we do NOT need is seeking common ground with the rabid GOP.

[nickn777]

209. It was Xeroxed from Bill's '92 campaign n/t

[Infinite Hope]

208. A grand slam when you're down 10-0 doesn't do much beyond minimizing your losses. n/t

[Infinite Hope]

214. I just realized the irony of my own analogy (10-0)...she's lost, well, now 11-0. n/t

[Dinger]

211. Best Part, That's for Sure

I thought, before it was answered, that this question was meant for her, maybe to make her uncomfortable, maybe not.
Actually, I thought it was an excellent question.

[adoraz]

218. was good although...

I believe the plagiarism thing negatively outdid it.

When I woke up this morning that was the front page of the newspaper, and the respect I had for Hillary quickly went away after I read the article and remembered how she was booed.

[misanthrope]

222. I disagree...

...She opened that section with an allusion to the Lewinsky affair and the public humiliation she suffered. If you'll recall, her status in public opinion polls during the '90s were weak until that occurred at which time sympathy sent her poll numbers to their highest mark ever. I thought her allusion to that last night was an attempt to connect with that effect again, maybe squeeze another few points out of it.

Her next remark about Iraq War vets opened with an obvious set-up by offering in almost verbatim language the question that solicited her "Diner Sob" in New Hampshire. I wondered if she was trying to internally call up the emotions that led to that famous moment in hopes she could replicate it.

She followed that by co-opting natural sympathy for disabled war vets to elicit some personal gain for herself, never once touching on any responsibility she might feel for laying the ground work that put those people in harm's way. She didn't succinctly say, "I see people coming home from war with life altering wounds and injuries." She languidly rolled in vivid descriptions that seemed to be about more than getting to her point. Once again, I wondered, as she seemingly tried to let her voice choke up, if she was attempting to reproduce the emotional moment that led to her last big comeback.

To me, it seemed transparent but I'm admittedly biased.

Did anyone else notice that Obama stood and reached over to help pull her chair out as she stood?