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thesubstanceofdreams Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:45 PM
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Clinton is a skilled debater, but she didn't make the difference she needed tonight

Each of them had some better moments, but Obama held his own. You could argue who win, but Hillary needed a landslide, and she clearly didn't get it.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:46 PM
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1. They underestimated him yet again
They didn't expect him to perform this good tonight
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:47 PM
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6. Or this well.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:47 PM
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7. Self delete
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 09:48 PM by 11 Bravo
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gerrilea Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:46 PM
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2. She hit it out of the park...
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:58 PM
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17. Sorry...I disagree...
Did she in any way alter the prevailing dialogue? Did she win over any of the Obama supporters in an otherwise deadlocked Texas (where, weeks ago, she was picked to win in a walk) to her side? Seriously? A home run? I guess I need to know what your definition of "hitting it out of the park" is. Or, what "is" is.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:46 PM
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3. I agree, to little to late, although she may have done a little better than him (Obama supporter)
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:48 PM
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11. I don't think that she did better than he did because as always Barak is always...
about us and not about me...
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:47 PM
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4. agreed
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:47 PM
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5. Getting booed didn't help...
has a candidate ever been booed at a Democratic debate before?
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:04 PM
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18. Yes
Obama was booed in one of them (forget which) for calling Hillary "Bush-Lite"
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:47 PM
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8. I agree.
Hillary wasn't that bad, but she wasn't as good as he usually is.

And she needed to be better than she usually is. She didn't accomplish that. A good response at the end doesn't change a substandard (by her standards) debate for the other hour and thirty minutes.
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:47 PM
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9. I don't think she got a landslide
but I think overall she did better... which amazed me.

A few times Obama found his stride and was great, but a lot of the time he seemed to be fumbling for what to say.
:shrug:
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:47 PM
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10. Agreed; I didn't get any sort of spark from her
A little bit from Obama.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:49 PM
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12. He seemed to be ahead of her strategically on the issues sometimes.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:49 PM
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13. deleted.
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 09:49 PM by patrice
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:52 PM
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14. I think she did on the issue of mandates. nt
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:52 PM
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15. I agree...and while I appreciate the increase in vocal civility....
...I was less than impressed with her body language, which, I felt, indicated a smirking condescension. She can't claim to have any substantive lead in experience over Obama, who has had an impressive career in the U.S. Senate, at the state legislative level and in community activism. What she needed to do, in my book, was atone for past egregious errors and delineate her plan for the future apart from that of Barack, and she didn't deliver. In addition, I found myself counting the opportunities she had to speak first -- and my impression was that she was handed that advantage, along with delivering the closing statement. It's as though CNN was trying to help her back into a race that, as of this morning, she had all but abdicated.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:55 PM
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16. He was in command of the facts and issues
He continues to show her to be a liar, and that's how he continues to win. He clearly has solutions, and lots of them, and a longer record than she has. I think that is the little detail her supporters are missing tonight.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:22 PM
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19. Hillary did well if she was ahead in the race. But she is not.
Both Obama and Hillary were excellent. Hillary needed a victory though. She did not get one.

I did enjoy both of their responses.
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