Who won the debate?

[Colobo]

Let's comment!

[rwheeler31]

1. No one

[DemGa]

2. Hillary slammed the young orator tonight...nt

[Colobo]

4. She lost.

[trueblue2007]

13. ~~~HILLARY WAS WONDERFUL~~~

[trueblue2007]

14. ~~~HILLARY WAS WONDERFUL~~~

[ErnestoG]

56. one more time?

[AlCzervik]

3. Dem1954.

:rofl:

actually his mom did.

[NC_Nurse]

7. LOL!

:thumbsup: :rofl:

[southern_dem]

5. I scored it a draw

may want to add that option. :)

[Magleetis]

6. It was no blowout

To me Obama just has that special something.

[ingac70]

8. Is her getting booed...

a first in televised Democratic debates?

[Hieronymus]

60. I'd say so.

[apocalypsehow]

9. Senator Obama.

n/t

[1awake]

10. neither won

They both looked good

[LBJDemocrat]

11. Xerox this, Hillary

P.S. Obama won.

[THUNDER HANDS]

12. which candidate got boo'd tonight?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

18. I think Katzenkavalier won.

and after that, Obama.

XEROX? come on.

[no name no slogan]

15. My candidate, because YOUR CANDIDATE SUCKS

lather. rinse. repeat.

[Johnny__Motown]

16. This looks like another straw poll without the Undecided choice,. we will all pick our favorite

[theHandpuppet]

17. 80% of people here are Obama supporters

So I'm not quite sure what you expect from this poll. Not objectivity, I hope.

:shrug:

[scheming daemons]

37. > 50% of the general public are Obama supporters too... that's why he'll win...

....

[Obamaman2008]

51. Gore had 51% He didn't win nt

[Alexander]

55. Actually he had about 48%, and would've won except for fraud.

[Skoods]

19. well..

we can tell where this boards support is...

[splat]

22. A lot of the regulars have left till the riffraff leaves

[sjdnb]

20. It's obvious, Hillary will never be given a fair shake

on DU or in the M$M. She's not as exciting or eloquent as Obama - more like Stevenson than Truman (aka the only person to Nuke a civilian population - and, yeah, I think it was wrong, whatever his rationale) or Eisenhower (an impotent President with better ideas than abilities to get things done).

[ErnestoG]

57. Poor, poor Hillary.

Raised in privilege, married into powerful politics. When Lord, WHEN can a person get a fair shake??

[akbacchus_BC]

62. You nailed that right! eom

Amazing how you Americans disd us Canadians. Amazing. Most of us are rooting for Obama. We have a little lite bush Harper in power!. Gosh, I cannot wait to vote that dick out, but our NDP is a sore loser, not platform, nothing interesting to say! We like you Americans, we have no choice. And this asshole wants to have the same medical care that you have!

Peace

[gateley]

21. Tough call. Can't make up my mind.

My BFF called from CA at the very end and said "boy, she sure hit that one out of the ballpark, didn't she?"

Other than that, they each had their plusses.

[Ichingcarpenter]

23. She was the only one that got booed

viewers at my house

12 rounds

Me..8-4
viewer 2 ...5-7
viewer 3... 9-3 .........Obama

[Obamaman2008]

53. Bush Got Bood Too

[DesertFlower]

24. they were both great.

however, i think he cleared up much of "where's the beef".

[gateley]

40. Yes - he responded very well to that. nt

[Perky]

25. The american people... yada yada....nah it was a draw for the most part.

Hillary won on passion Barack on point. No knockdowns certainly no knock outs.


the thing of it is however... Nobody is going to remember this ten days from now.

[Renew Deal]

26. Obama had a fantastic night.

He was strong on everything.

[rosetta627]

27. Should have an option for tie, 'cause I thought it was a draw

Flawed poll.

[sfam]

42. agreed nt

[JimGinPA]

28. Hillary Had Some Good Responses...

But overall she didn't have a great debate. Not after 11 straight primary loses. She needed to make a move and she didn't.

[Window]

29. Obama won. Hillary was the only one who got booed.

And, it was for her Xerox remark that the Hillary supporters are so excited about.

:rofl:

[tammywammy]

30. Obama. Clinton needed Obama to screw up tonight

He held his own and even scored a few good points. Clinton came off poorly during the plagiarism segment. She did have a good closing, but overall, Obama won.

[akbacchus_BC]

65. I agree with you Tammy,but how come no one even saying hi to me, LOL

I love you Americans, but am saddended that his race for the white house is causing so much conflict. For the first time in history, two people ... a black and a woman are running and frankly, I support both as we cannot go back and wished if Biden or Edwards were in the race! Both Candidates would be better than a McCain/Hucabee, etc. I favour Senator Clinton for her exeperience but I dislike that only two families are running. Do not want another Clinton in the White House. Time for change and you all are making the world proud for not electing another Clinton. They did good, but it is time for change. Peace

[Window]

31. I loved Obama's, "This is where we are gettting into the silly

season in politics." Loved it. The crowd loved it, too. Acually, she got booed twice.

[book_worm]

32. they both did fine, but HRC needed a homerun and she didn't get it.

Obama more than held his own.

[Beregond2]

33. Draw

Exactly. It was a draw, and she needed a triumph.

[frazzled]

34. For the first time (and I have watched all these debates)...

I would have to say Obama won ... on the substance and on debating points. And that surprised me, because I have always thought Hillary is strongest in these debate formats.

But I will also say I think she won on that last question: really beautiful.

I thought he showed a command on the substantive issues that actually exceeded hers for the first time--and for the first time he actually knocked her out on the health issue. Her attempt to compare her mandated plan to Medicare was quickly rebutted with a crucial point: hers is not a mandate on government but on individuals. This is the very crux of why progressives should be against mandates--they take us further away rather than closer to a true social insurance plan. I also thought he was stronger on the commander-in-chief and the foreign policy discussions (but foreign policy is probably the main reason I chose to vote for him.)

What great candidates, though, both of them: and I get the sense that this party will come together. Kudos to both candidates tonight.

[GarbagemanLB]

35. Hillary's 'xeorx' line will be remembered and will only hurt her. The ending helped, but not enough.

[Catchawave]

36. John Edwards....!

Many of his words were spoken and referenced to. I liked that :)

[Drunken Irishman]

38. Both did well, this was Obama's best debate, though and Clinton needed a knock out.

She didn't get it.

[susankh4]

39. BEAUTIFUL DEBATE!

Showcased the best of each candidate. Illustrated how well they compliment one another.

A nice preview for what our November ticket will look like.

[sfam]

41. You really need a "tie" option. Barack was ahead until the end...Hillary caught up....

Her last answer I'd give her an A++ and Barack's a C-. But up until then, Barack was winning by a slight margin I thought. He slammed her on the Iraq/Ready on Day one thing.

[jillan]

43. Where is "a tie" ??

[TheZug]

44. They both did well.

She tried hard, and gave it a good shot. But he stayed strong.

[Danger Mouse]

45. The debate itself was a draw.

Obama did better than ever and decisively beat her on foreign policy, the plagarism issue, and even on health care he sounded much stronger.
She knocked it out of the park with her closing comments, about evening the score overall.
HOWEVER, what she needed tonight was not a draw. She needed a decisive victory.
She did not score one, and we will see that reflected in media commentary. She needed to make him stumble, and she did not manage that. So, by that token, by not losing, Obama is the victor of the debate.

[akbacchus_BC]

64. I like your debating style. You do Senator Obama good! nt

[Danger Mouse]

68. i'm sorry, but are you mocking me?

if not, i apologize, but if you are, consider this: Clinton needed to halt Obama's momentum at that debate.
She did not succeed. That's not good news for her.

[TexasObserver]

46. Obama won it. Even Hillary knew it.

[Egnever]

47. Obama but only because Hillary needed to win it.

otherwise it was a draw.

[IndianaGreen]

48. Hillary also ripped off a page of Joe Klein's Primary Colors

Who you calling a plagiarist?
21 Feb 2008 10:47 pm

During the debate, Dan Drezner suggested to me over IM that Hillary Clinton was plagiarizing Primary Colors. He backs it up on his own blog:

Hillary Clinton, February 21, 2008 debate with Barack Obama: "You know, lifting whole passages from someone else's speeches is not change you can believe in, it's change you can Xerox." Hillary Clinton, later on in the same debate: "You know, the hits I've taken in life are nothing compared to what goes on every single day in the lives of people across our country." Jack Stanton speech, in Primary Colors (New York: Random House, 1996), p. 162: "Y'know, I've taken some hits in this campaign. It hasn't been easy for me, or my family. It hasn't been fair, but it hasn't been anything compared to the hits a lot of you take every day."

Meanwhile, Chris Beam at Slate picks up on another instance:

Hillary, however, pivots in a way that evokes, of all things, her Diner Sob. Only this time, she sets herself up: “People often ask me, ‘How do you do it? How do you keep going?’ ” That’s the exact same question asked by Marianne Pernold Young at the Café Espresso in Portsmouth, New Hampshire on the eve of the primary. Clinton then goes into a colorful anecdote about a medical center filled with people injured in Iraq. She doesn’t exactly tear up, but it’s a deliberately emotional moment. (We see Chelsea looking teary afterwards.) At the very end, she borrows a line that John Edwards used toward the end of his campaign. "We're going to be fine," she said, referring to herself and Obama. (Edwards always said it about himself and Elizabeth.) "I just hope we can say the same thing about the American people."

http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/02/who_you_calling_a_plagiarist.php

[bluedawg12]

49. Newsflash: Politicians are manipulative- I thought they walked on H20. n/t

[Alexander]

52. It's not wise to attack someone else for something you yourself are doing.

[bluedawg12]

58. I trust you meant the reply above mine- I am not walking on H20 yet. n/t

[Straight Shooter]

66. Obama has rehearsed speeches. She gave an extemporaneous answer.

Big difference. Words from the heart do tend to sound a lot alike. There's only so many ways you can say you've been hit and you're still standing, but it's not as bad as the hit others have taken. Anything further than that, and she would have been accused of being maudlin.

Face it, no matter what Hillary does, to some people it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. And let me add, F*ck Mark Penn for the stupid plagiarism bullcaca to begin with.

[Greyskye]

50. Barack won, but

Hillary had a great, strong ending.

[jazzjunkysue]

54. I really didn't like her sweet smile: Like a stone sculpture.

That's what scares me about her. She's not human. Most of it she's beaming like prom night and then tears his throat out on an insignificant irrelevancy.

[taught_me_patience]

59. a lot of jabs

but no knockout blows from either side. Hillary closed nicely, but that was offset by her "xerox" gaffe. Obama held his own and appears to be getting better at debates.

[NeedleCast]

61. Pretty Much a Tie

I don't think either side really gained anything.

[fortyfeetunder]

63. Hillary -- think about your request for more debates...

In the beginning she thought she had a slam dunk. But in subsequent debates, Obama has been holding his own.

I think more debates might be her downfall.

[Kahuna]

67. Obama took her to the woodshed repeatedly over her petty attacks.

I think he won, without a doubt.

[Fire_brand]

69. Hillary needed to score big and she didn't

Obama had an opportunity to talk about specifics.

Obama won

[Occam Bandage]

70. Present. Hillary edged him slightly, and therefore Hillary lost.