Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Xerox KO

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
anamnua Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:51 PM
Original message
Xerox KO
This will be ranked in years to come with Lloyd Bentsen's famous putdown of Dan Quayle.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
NEDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:51 PM
Response to Original message
1. Not even close
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 09:56 PM by NEDem
The Dan Quayle smackdown was classic. this was corney. Wouldn't be remarkable, even now, except for the booing
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #1
9. Please, it was corny. Snide and corny.
It fell flat. No knock-out punch at all in the debate for Hillary.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #1
27. WTF? She was BOO-ED! It bombed!
How on earth is this a score for Hillary? Incredible
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #27
33. A few people booed....
his supporters because he got called on his crap.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:51 PM
Response to Original message
2. What?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:52 PM
Response to Original message
3. It was a good one!
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 09:52 PM by anamandujano
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:52 PM
Response to Original message
4. Ummm..how about NO and stuff...or did you MISS the boos...
...people hated yet more Clinton negativity...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #4
16. HIS people booed
What did you expect? It was hardly a large majority booing. She kicked him in the ass with that one.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #16
22. Correct, the same ones that applauded him as he rambled through his answers.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:52 PM
Response to Original message
5. did Bentsen get booed?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. Senator, that was unfair
:boo-fucking-hoo:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stahbrett Donating Member (855 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. Senator, I knew a Xerox machine, and you're no Xerox machine.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #5
12. The difference is that Lloyd Bentson's quip seemed completely spontaneous and got huge applause...
...whereas Hillary's moment seemed COMPLETELY planned and rehearsed--like she was going to say it no matter WHAT his reaction was.

The crowd was NOT Hillary-unfriendly, and yet, with the exception of a few boos, it was quiet enough for us to hear Obama saying "Hillary, that's just plain wrong...."

THAT is the difference.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #12
26. SEEMED
The great gotchas are always planned. The Republicans had been making the JFK comparison for months before that debate. Only Quayle was dumb enough to throw Bentsen a big fat slow ball with it.

Clinton's xerox line was certain pre-fabbed. It's not a bad line, if the target was less agile and the delivery more deft.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #12
28. Hillary that's just plain wrong....so much better than that Xerox remark
I guess the Hillary Herd thinks getting booed is good.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #12
35. The line was clearly scripted for her, she was just waiting for the set up....
and when it finally came it wasn't delivered that well.

It's like a joke. Two people tell the exact same joke. When the first person tells it, no one laughs. When the second person tells it, everyone laughs. First person asks why it worked for the second person - answer: they're funny.

Hillary was the first person.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:52 PM
Response to Original message
6. Oh yeah!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:54 PM
Response to Original message
8. yeah....good lines get booed n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:55 PM
Response to Original message
11. "There you go again" - tell Jimbo hi for me!
:hi: :eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:55 PM
Response to Original message
13. That didn't get Booed
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:55 PM
Response to Original message
14. Welcome to DU. *snort*
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:56 PM
Response to Original message
15. Oh Brother a few boos???
big friggin deal, I rather have either candidate get booed than just get a zombie like applause.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #15
18. The remark got NO applause. Look at Lloyd Bentsen's moment for a true comparison...
...of a smackdown.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:56 PM
Response to Original message
17. And who was it that won that election again?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:57 PM
Response to Original message
19. Right on. Except Hillary is Dan Quayle on this one.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:58 PM
Response to Original message
20. Maybe you missed it, but she got booed for that
It was not a good moment for Hillary.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:58 PM
Response to Original message
21. It was canned.
It was so obviously a pre-written line that she was just waiting to use.

That is why even after Obama backed her off with the 'bickering' politics argument, she still threw out the line.

And that is why she got booed.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hatalles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:00 PM
Response to Original message
23. Hillary KO'd herself w/ that one.
She came to that debate ready to sling that line. I'm sure she didn't expect the boos and hisses though.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:00 PM
Response to Original message
24. Is that why the audience booed her?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
anamnua Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #24
29.  The booing
signalled that it hit the great brainwashed right where it hurt. I thought it was hilarious - watching it in the small hours of the morning in Ireland. For the record Bentsen had it figured that Quayle would probably bring up JFK.
A class move by Hillary. This was the one that will dominate the headlines and focus attention on Obama's , ahem, lapses into derivativeness.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #29
42. look at her use of John Edwards and Bill Clintons words in tonights debate
very lame of her
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:02 PM
Response to Original message
25. Yep! Indeed
I loved it...change you can Xerox!!! LMFAO!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:11 PM
Response to Original message
30. Yeah sure it will
In Bizzarro land. All analsysts rated it as a FLOP.

Up Is Down When Your Gal Is Down!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:12 PM
Response to Original message
31. As the line that finally killed her candidacy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:14 PM
Response to Original message
32. Vice President Bentsen is forever known for that line
One of the greatest VP's we've ever had. :patriot:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:17 PM
Response to Original message
34. It wasn't the wittiest remark of the decade, but you can bet it will be repeated, and often.
When people hear Obama talk about change, maybe their mind will automatically click in with "change you can Xerox."

Something catchy about that phrase, like an earworm. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #34
37. And if Obama is our nominee, that helps John McCain. NT
NT
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:19 PM
Response to Original message
36. Actually, it bombed. NOBODY CHEERED THE LINE.
A few people cheered, BUT NOBODY IN THAT AUDIENCE LIKED IT.
It was a lowblow, and it will not earn Hillary any high marks in the long run.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. Seriously. It sounded like the whole place was booing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RunningFromCongress Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:20 PM
Response to Original message
39. she got boo'd how is that a knock out?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:23 PM
Response to Original message
40. Can someone start a poll on this..
I think that line was the final nail in the coffen of her campaign. I am not just saying this because I support Obama. That line came off REALLY really really badly.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tresalisa Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:24 PM
Response to Original message
41. After Obama's explanation of the plagiarism question,
where I think he made his case, I thought it made Hillary sound a little petty, a little like she was trying too hard to get that 'zinger' in.

I'd rate Bentsen's remark as a 9-1/2 on a scale of 1-10. I'd rate Hillary's as a 2.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:39 PM
Response to Original message
43. Oh, please...
I watched that debate and it doesn't even compare. Bentson said his comment with truth, her's was with spite. It was a let-down and very below the belt.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr 23rd 2024, 05:28 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC