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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:19 PM Original message |
Hillary Clinton is policy illiterate: Social Security and Medicare are entitlement programs. |
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Culture Warrior 2 (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
1. She wants us to believe... |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Culture Warrior? Did ya think we wouldn't notice? Enjoy your stay here on DU |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
2. Hillary is not illiterate about policy |
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Ivote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. You Pay Into Them |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
3. Any health care plan underwritten by the federal government will become an 'entitlement' |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. yep |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. All insurance is underwritten. SS is not the same as health insurance any more than it's the same as |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
20. But that's the point of the OP, I take - they will not be underwritten by the Fed Gov |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:51 PM Original message |
Middle class people and employers will be footing the bill, just as we are now... |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
36. But you make it sound like a way to save money for some people |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
5. I Missed The Debate - Did She Compare SS & Medicare To Compulsory Heath Insurance? |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:27 PM Original message |
no, they are the same, SS is compulsory, medicade is compulsory |
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Ivote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
13. Not Medicaid |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
14. You get it from the government and it is paid for by taxes. This is very unlike her plan. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #14 |
34. No - it is very like her plan - a couple of 100 billion in taxes will buy the coverage for |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 11:21 PM Response to Reply #34 |
51. The cornerstone of Obama's plan is a "federal insurance" that can be purchased... |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 08:53 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. the only "cost" - measured in hundred of billions - is the subsidy for the poor - and Hillary's a |
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thesubstanceofdreams (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
26. Yes, she did, twice n/t |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
31. She was referring to the issue of them being mandatory... |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
6. So called by the Bush administration. |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
7. It also reinforces the problem with her plan - the govt taking money from your paycheck |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
10. And her plan doesn't require you to purchase ANYTHING from a private company |
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Johnny__Motown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. You must purchase it, if not from a private company then from the government |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Yes, but at a price that is adjusted to your income via tax credits. |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. Not all doctors accept Medicaid, because it is notoriously unwieldy and stiffs doctors. |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. Her plan is more similar to single payer |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 11:15 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. It will only move us to "Single Payer" in the way you say if the government |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. "if the government plan is generally cheaper" |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. . |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
32. But she doesn't say what the dollar figures are, |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Obama doesn't specify the dollar amounts for his tax credits either. |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. but he's not forcing people to buy it, she is. |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Yes. And you're forced to buy into Medicare and Social Security. |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 11:00 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. do you think people think 8.25% is affordable? |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 11:04 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Social Security would never have happened if people thought then |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:23 AM Response to Reply #46 |
56. I don't 'lament' anything, my friend |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 11:12 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. And don't forget: all of these plans would have to be passed as *legislation* |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Unfortunately SS is one of the most regressive taxes we have. |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 11:27 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. I agree with you there. |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Obama has that feature as well. In fact, sans the mandate, their plans are effectively the same. |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. No, you misunderstand. |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. I understand all to well. However, FICA and medicare are paid for through taxes... |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Single-payer IS a mandate! |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
11. And creating a huge new entitlement program |
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Ivote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Does Anyone Know What Federal Employees & Members Of Congress Pay? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #18 |
33. The government pays the balance |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
19. Calling Hillary policy Iliterate is showing your stupidity for all to see. |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:39 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. It's rhetoric. Of course she's not policy illiterate. But she's acting as if the American People are |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #22 |
41. no nothing missed. but your OP says that to me. Enough said. |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Well, thanks for your contribution to the thread. |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
21. Amazing - you missed the whole point that she was making. |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. The point was smoke and mirrors. If she wants real Universal Health Care, then support HR 676! |
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cooolandrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
25. Yep, both candidates shold be talking aboutthis bill. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
30. With respect to her Health Plan and Medicare, the comparison is valid.. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
38. Policy Illiterate? You're Deluded. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
43. You got some learnin to do too |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
45. Hillary Clinton has two opposing positions on every issue, so she's bound to make somebody happy |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
55. Social Security and Medicare deductions from payroll are mandatory. |
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