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phrenzy Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:35 PM
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As An Obama Supporter - I Am Afraid Of Him Debating McCain
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 10:43 PM by phrenzy
I can't help but think that Hillary would be much quicker on her feet against McCain. I don't think McCain's scare mongering and "straight talk" can be neutralized without a forceful voice against them. Obama, I think is a bit too timid and as much as I'd like to believe it, I think that Americans will prefer a "Decisive" nutcase versus a "thoughtful" sane person.

I really fear that Obama would let himself get swiftboated and try to "Take the high road" like Kerry did and it will cost him.

How do you imagine a Obama V McCain or Hillary V McCain debate going down?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:37 PM
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1. Have you ever seen McCain debate? You dont need to be quick on your feet against McLAME
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:18 PM
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50. Tree sloths are more energetic ...
Now I'd say JMc was the least vile of the GOP candidates, but he's not exactly the sort of candidate that's going to get anybody excited.
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dodger501 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:07 AM
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73. He is the Bob Dole of 2008
Bill Clinton barely broke a sweat in '96.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:24 AM
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88. Chicks dig Dob Bole
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:14 PM
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94. You can tell from ...
the squiggly pen marks all over their backs ... ;)
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:20 PM
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101. MC Cant will be doing commercials for Levitra next
right after Olbermann did his "breaking news" on the McCain thing,
MSNBC ran a Levitra commercial.

Product placement anyone?

There were several more of those later that evening on that channel.

Maybe a coinkidink.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:37 PM
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2. McCain will not be a good debater.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:37 PM
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3. Truth will out. We'll be fine. nt
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:37 PM
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4. Hillary is a talented debater!
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:40 PM
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17. She's a "master 'bater"... ?
lol... just kidding...

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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:38 PM
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5. wtf is wrong with your brain?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:41 PM
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25. are you asking yourself a question? nt
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:51 PM
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43. lol
:rofl:
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:03 PM
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47. well you're easily amused.
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:31 AM
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52. this day and age,
it's a neccessity! Humor around here stands out, especially on nights like this. I'm more appreciative of humor than I am easily amused. I give credit where it's due. :P
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:38 PM
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6. Obama was pretty sharp tonite
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:24 PM
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102. Obama was sharp as the proverbial tack..Sharper..
One point of fact..

OBAMA: Now, I think that Senator Clinton has a fine record and I don't want to denigrate that record. I do think there is a fundamental difference between us in terms of how change comes about. Senator Clinton of late has said: Let's get real. The implication is that the people who've been voting for me or involved in my campaign are somehow delusional.

(LAUGHTER)

And that, you know, the 20 million people who've been paying attention to 19 debates and the editorial boards all across the country at newspapers who have given me endorsements, including every major newspaper here in the state of Texas.

(APPLAUSE)

OBAMA: You know, the thinking is that somehow, they're being duped, and eventually they're going to see the reality of things.

Well, I think they perceive reality of what's going on in Washington very clearly. What they see is that if we don't bring the country together, stop the endless bickering, actually focus on solutions and reduce the special interests that have dominated Washington, then we will not get anything done. And the reason that this campaign has done so well...

(APPLAUSE)

The reason that this campaign has done so well is because people understand that it is not just a matter of putting forward policy positions.


OBAMA: Senator Clinton and I share a lot of policy positions. But if we can't inspire the American people to get involved in their government and if we can't inspire them to go beyond the racial divisions and the religious divisions and the regional divisions that have plagued our politics for so long, then we will continue to see the kind of gridlock and nonperformance in Washington that is resulting in families suffering in very real ways.

I'm running for president to start doing something about that suffering, and so are the people who are behind my campaign."


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4713784

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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:38 PM
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7. McCain isn't the sharpest tack nor the quickest on his feet
I wouldn't concern myself with that.
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Wesin04 Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:38 PM
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8. This poster is right.
Don't be so arrogant as to think that the American public won't view this differently. That's an easy way to lose to the Republicans.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:39 PM
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9. its not Mcain during that debates that Democrats should fear
Its the Republican hatchetmen like the "Swiftboaters" and the South Carolina push-pollers who got McCain, that the Democratic nominee needs to tackle.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:39 PM
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10. McCain will try to bully Obama
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 10:45 PM by Bleachers7
And then McCain will explode.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:41 PM
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24. I am guessing you mean
And then McCain will explode.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:45 PM
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37. yes
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:52 AM
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62. Can't you imagine Obama knowing just how to keep his own cool
while instigating the loss of McCain's?
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:39 PM
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11. My 9-year-old could out-debate McCain.... relax.

Obama has held his own in two straight debates with Clinton.... what do you think he'd do against McCain.


The old man would piss in his Depends.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:44 PM
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35. .
:rofl: piss in his depends!!! :rofl: Thank you so much for that! :rofl:

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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:39 PM
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12. How old are you?
You must be either very young or very old

or ..............


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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:40 PM
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13. This concerns me.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:41 PM
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28. Your brow looks furrowed.
Need a xanax?
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:43 PM
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33. "The one thing that alarms me about......."
I smell something.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:40 PM
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14. Obama will spank him, gently, but make no mistake - Obama is prepared.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:40 PM
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Obama is getting better with each debate.

And debates are not the deciding factor for most voters.

And McCain sucks at debating.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:40 PM
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15. But one other thing is this... Barak is trying to be nice with a fellow Democrat...
I think the gloves will come off with a John McCain... Hell, he has so much to hit McCain on that McCain won't be able to get up off of the canvass.
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:40 PM
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16. Hillary is a better debater, but a debate with her and McCain will turn into a verbal slugfest.
Obama's secret weapon is that he basically has the audience on his side. I think that's true even of mixed-party audiences. No one wants to see Obama humiliated, which is why Hillary's insults got her booed tonight. I think McCain will try the same thing, and will end up driving more people to Obama than away from him.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:40 PM
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18. Personally, I Believe Barack Is A Lot More Intelligent Than McCain
He'll be ready to tear him a new one.

:spank:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:40 PM
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19. Have you watched McCain debate? He is hideous.
Obama would entirely own him in a debate. McCain is like a stale bologna sandwich found in a ditch.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:40 PM
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20. Such concern.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:40 PM
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21. I think Obama wound come off better than McCain
I think Hillary would grind McCain into small easily chewable pieces before she swallowed him feathers and all.


I also think it's not that important --Kerry thrashed Bush around like a Shark tenderizing a surfer during their debates, and people don't even remember that.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:40 PM
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22. Clinton is a better debater, but she's tougher than McCain will be
John McCain is not such a great debater either, so if Obama can hold his own against Clinton, he should be fine against McCain. Yes, Clinton would kick his ass in a debate, but Kerry kicked Bush's ass in all three debates and still lost the election.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:41 PM
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23. McCain is terrible in debates, don't worry about it
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 11:13 PM by Johnny__Motown
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:41 PM
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26. Elmer Fudd doesn't stand a chance against Obama.
There might be some backlash against Obama, for engaging in a battle of wits against an unarmed opponent.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:41 PM
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27. After Hillary's war vote, she is a sitting duck for McCain
Obama will have the upper hand on the war issue. He clearly had the upper hand with Hillary tonight on that issue.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:52 AM
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83. what are you talking about
they are both pro war, thats not a debate point if they both agree on that point. or at least 100 years mcCain will not call her on it because it agrees with his position.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:42 PM
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29. I'm not.
Kerry is much smarter than bush, of course, but he came across as stiff and formal. He's not as engaging as Obama and he didn't have the ability that Obama has to make criticism of him look silly.

Besides, the Obama campaign hasn't done anything to lead me to believe that he's more likely to be swiftboated. They are very good with the quick response.

I think that either Clinton or Obama can win, but that it won't be easy for either of them. Which ever of them wins the Democratic nomination will have shown that he/she is a better campaigner and will be the best candidate to take on McCain.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:42 PM
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30. Obama will wipe the floor with him
Clinton would be Clinton, which is to say, if you like her, you'll like her, if you hate her, you'll hate her.


Debates wouldn't change anything.

Obama has the one opportunity to show a clear difference between, not only himself and McCain, but between the Democratic and Republican parties and the future of the country vs. the past.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:42 PM
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31. McCain is the IDEAL opponent for Obama!
He looks even more like the old school. He is even more for Iraq. Obama even trumps him on independents.

All McCain can do is try to do what Hillary tried and failed.

McCain loses.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:43 PM
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32. People on DU sorely underestimate McCain
Hopefully our nominee will not make that fatal mistake because if he or she underestimates him, they'll be in for an unpleasant surprise. McCain has an air about him where he can arrogantly sfuff pie right in your face almost at will, as Mitt Romney found out.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:04 AM
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72. Yes, but his treatment of Romney earned him bad reviews--he just looked nasty.
Nobody liked Romney, so there was little sympathy, but Obama is much more likable, so McCain won't benefit from turning into an asshole with him. Look at how the crowd booed Hillary, and she wasn't nearly as snarly as McCain.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:44 PM
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34. ARE YOU SERIOUS !!!!!!! Papa McCain is TOASTED!!!!!!
a debate between Obama and PAPA will be like Nixon Kennedy
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:44 PM
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36. No..McCain is not good at all! I think if he loses control of his temper (likely)
that will help Barack. That is assuming he is the nominee. LOL
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Mr.Fitzgibbons Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:45 PM
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38. I agree with you, and I also worry that the MSM will go after Obama big time
which they have not done up to this point.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:55 AM
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65. Oh that's a given. Wait for it.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:48 PM
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39. I'm not worried about a debate but more about a running dialogue abt that.
He was a war hero and a of lot foreign policy experience and Obama is lacking - they'll say he's "wet behind the ears," and inexperienced.

Obama has improved a lot in debating however.
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:50 PM
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40. Don't you mean McBush?
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muddrunner17 Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:50 PM
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41. Republicans like the full frontal assault.
This campaign is like WWI in that the old tactics that used to work no longer do. Hillary has tried it and it backfired. McCain will try it and it will back fire. It is difficult for people to attack Obama's character without it seeming like racism to many. Hillary has tried attacking him directly and was worse off for it. McCain will not know when to stop attacking and will shoot himself in the foot. Obama is adept at deflecting those attacks while appearing to stay above them. People want change, and Obama's debate style tends to reflect his rhetoric. It one of the things that makes so many people believe in him.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:50 PM
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42. Obama did just fine tonight. It was a draw.
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phrenzy Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:51 PM
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44. The Most Comforting Observation On This Thread
Is that Obama indeed has the audience on his side. This is his shield. BUT - It works against Hillary because hating Hillary is a national pastime. Going up against "War Hero" McCain might not work the same way.

Also, remember that IMO, Bush LOST all of the debates in 04, but in many people's minds WON because he seemed more interested than the lethargic Kerry.

Anyway, it would certainly be a battle of polar opposites to see a Obama V McCain debate.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:55 PM
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45. How do you figure?
I prefer someone going against the man that will hold that we are in Iraq to fight al Queda and we should stay there 100 years with someone that thought this crap was a mistake in judgement in the first place. It could turn into the talk about Iraq this country never had.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:01 PM
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46. Debates don't mean diddly like they used to. Just ask John Kerry.
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 11:02 PM by DinahMoeHum
If people are hell-bent on electing somebody, debates are NOT gonna sway them otherwise.

:evilfrown:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:35 AM
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55. IMO, excellent point DinahMoeHum
Yes, John Kerry won every debate but this highly intelligent man just could not INSPIRE the people. I hadn't considered that poignant fact.

Thanks :hi:
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:20 AM
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76. What the GOP had then it will try to use again this time--
And that something is FEAR. That's the only thing they've got and they'll be sure to use it.

They'll try to make the case that Obama will leave us open to attack. They'll shore up McCain's credentials on national security. A lot of Repubs really fear the word "Liberal". To them it means being a wuss who is going to give away the country rather than fight. They'll use that word over and over and over again.

So in a way, the only thing we have to fear (from the GOP) is their use of FEAR. I hope Obama has a plan for dealing with it.

But FEAR worked much better for them in 2004 than it will in 2008. No matter what Kerry said back then, or how good his life story was, people were just not ready to switch horses. This was before Katrina and before the full extent of the Iraq debacle was really known among non-political junkies. I think the people are much, much more ready for a change this time around.

So I'm very optimistic that their main weapon will turn out to be a dud!
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Midwestern Democrat Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:32 PM
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107. The debates did seem to help Kerry, though.
After an entire month of intense media exposure of the Swift Boat filth and the Republican National Convention, Kerry's campaign looked dead - Newsweek and Time were showing him 15 to 17% behind Bush in their polls (I can vividly remember coming home from work on a Friday evening to hear that lovely news and screaming several profanities in response). The debates really seemed to give Kerry's campaign a second wind - not enough to take a lead, but enough to make a Kerry victory seem possible - in the end, Kerry lost by 3%.
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:12 PM
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48. I'm mixed about this
I think Obama is getting better at debating, though he doesn't seem to knock stats off as well as Clinton does.

I think he brings each point back in his conclusion better than she does.

I think Obama "may" get pissy if McCain becomes vicious and show his angry old man-self.

BUT if he sees where he may fall short on a point/position, and he lets it go (IOW, not pissy because he didn't triumph every single point)..

then he will soar over the Mc Idiot because he has 1). better policy that appeals to the majority of this country 2). his presence and calmness (when he doesn't let the petty things bring him down.)

I do agree the odds are Hillary would take McCain's bait more than Obama and wind up lowering herself to his level without maybe "outsmarting" him when time comes to make the slam point.. this could make her sound like a screecher!

ALTHOUGH I think she'd wipe the FLOOR with him in facts if she didn't take the bait.

jmloo/just my little 'ol opinion

I don't trust that McCain sucking in debates will mean much. The talking heads will tell most everyone how they should interpret the debate; just like they did w/ Bush... and man, did he suck.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:15 PM
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49. oh yeah, mccain is a real sharpie, NOT. If you heard Sam Seder last Sunday
he was playing an exerpt where Larry King was interviewing him with softball questions, and he couldn't even present a coherent sentence

Anyone of our canidates will do well against mccain



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TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:19 PM
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51. John McCain, the "damn kids get outta my yard" candidate.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:33 AM
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53. Thank you for your concern.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:34 AM
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54. He's very weak and tentative on national security
as was commented last night in the news media. He won't do well w/ McCain.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:38 AM
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57. The thing to also think about is whether or not
the media will for the most part leave him alone or be favorable toward him. I doubt they will once he becomes the nominee. And once the GE campaign starts a lot of people who aren't paying much attention now will.

People should not underestimate McCain. I think that's a mistake. Right or wrong he is still viewed as a "Moderate" by a lot of Independent voters. And unlike Bush and a lot of other Republicans he garners sympathy for his years as a POW.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:45 AM
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59. also McCain will play the Obama having Mahmoud Ahmadinejad sleeping in the Lincoln Bedroom card
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:51 PM
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93. Not. Obama's made a public commitment to rebuild the military.
McCain is going to have to explain how he voted for policieis and supported a President that let the military end up in the state it is in at present. Did you know that Obama was getting more donations from military personnel serving overseas than anyone else last year? I suspect that trend will continue. Vets I've talked to really like Obama.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-09-13-military-donors_N.htm
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:36 AM
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56. McCain is not a good debater. Also he has a hair trigger for "Go to Def Com QWazy"
We couldn't have a better Repub opponent.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:53 AM
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63. I hope we engage that temper on national TV, actually
People ought to see who wants to have his finger near the button.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:58 AM
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67. It's more likely to be directed at the moderator because of a question.....
Than either of our candidates I think.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:59 AM
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70. Just so we make him blow up on TV, I'm good. nt
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:42 AM
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58. I think you're underestimating Barack and overestimating McCain.
For starters, just the visual will be startling. And as soon as Grandpa McBush goes into his war spiel, it will be all over. McCain is not a good debater. He's got that inappropriate Giuliani giggle and semi-senile demeanor. Either Obama or Clinton would easily win a debate against him.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:51 AM
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60. McCain is an awful debater
McCain is great at door to door politics and rallies and media interviews.

In debates, he is pretty terrible.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:50 AM
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61. Seriously? Seems to me the contrast would start things on a
very good footing for Obama.

McCain also cannot seem to string three words together in any sort of eloquent fashion, while Obama speaks very well. Obama thinks quickly on his feet; McCain does not.

Obama is younger and vigorous, McCain is not.

Obama has a grasp of the important issues; McCain... right.

I think either of our candidates stacks up better against McCain. But I think Obama does better than Clinton. I imagine that with Clinton, the personal friendship with McCain might lead to more of the Lieberman/Cheney type situation. And while I'm all for civility, that was sickening. Lieberman refused to address issues or push Cheney to do the same. Don't need a debate to watch them hug.

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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:54 AM
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64. I think Obama can handle himself
:)
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:56 AM
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66. Really? I watched the debate last night and thought Obama was quicker on his feet then she was!
Yeah, i'm an Obama supporter - but I really thought he did a good job, and kept Hillary on her toes. He did what MANY have asked him to do - which is start spelling out specifics in his plans, and he did that with ease.

Hillary's most memorable line from the whole night was about the Xerox fiasco - and it's not a positive one. Add to that, that she probably didn't even come up with it herself (it came off as very canned).

Her last moment of the night was great - but she also got to go second on that one, so frankly - she had a few minutes to come up with something. Obama had to speak on his toes and did a great job.

McCain is going to have to justify the Iraq war, keeping troops there for 100 years, and then on top of it all - he's going to have to explain why he opposes Obama so much when he actually agreed and voted with democrats on so many issues. And the "Old vs New" is only going to be much more obvious when McCain is up there talking, no warmth or anyting in his tone. He's a tough guy to listen to in the first place.. next to Obama, it's going to be unbearable.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:58 AM
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68. Right now, I think that..
.. McCain is his own worst enemy.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:59 AM
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69. I'm not - Americans are sick of the Iraq war and McCain is on the wrong side of the issue
not to mention "bomb bomb Iran"

Obama will whoop McCain's sorry war-mongering lobbyist-friendly ass...
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texas_indy Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:00 AM
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71. Interesting logic you have here......
You say Obama is weaker at debates than Clinton or McDud,
yet Obama is winning over Clinton who you feel is stronger in debates,
and you think Clinton who is losing to Obama, would beat McDuD,
and that Obama who is beating Clinton would lose to McDud??

Up is down and down is up!

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GOBAMA!!
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:13 AM
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74. McCain is a poor debator - Obama will do well against him
First of all, the visual contrast will be startling. Young, vigorous, forward-thinking Obama against old, shrivelled, stuck-in-the-past McCain. Hillary is a good debator, probably better than Obama. But he's been improving, and he can hold his own just fine against her these days. He did well last night. So if you think Hillary would chew McCain up and spit him out, I think Obama can probably do that as well.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:14 AM
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75. primary and GE are two very different venues
you cannot go on full attack against a highly regarded fellow party member during the primary AND 1. win, 2. have FULL party support for the GE

The GE debates will be very different, professional, but much more aggressive

O cannot come off as angry
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:21 AM
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77. I will feel bad for McCain
That old mad doesn't have a chance against Obama.

Obama is anything but timid, and had one of the most powerful voices in politics.
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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:23 AM
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78. obama walks into all debates with a three touchdown lad
debates aren't nearly as much about issues as stupid issues like who looks more energetic. mccain is old and stooped.

obama walks into all debates with a three touchdown lead.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:24 AM
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79. It'll be Clinton/Dole all over again
Youth and vigor versus grumpy old poop (albeit this time draped in a POW veteran's flag...)
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:26 AM
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80. McCain lost to Bush in debates
NUFF SAID
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:28 AM
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81. Either dem could wipe the floor with McCain
Barack will do fine, as would Hillary. Have you heard McCain speak? What specifics does he offer to fix the problems of America? He won't even admit America has any problems. His folksy head in the sand approach may go well in town hall meetings full of people who think like he does, but the majority of Americans are sick of what the Bushco have done to this country. Real people have real problems. They want real solutions, and the straight talk express has nothing to offer but more of the same bullshit we have suffered through for the past 7 years.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:19 AM
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86. I too, believe either one would toy with him until he has a Stockdale
"Why am I here?" moment.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:38 AM
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82. As well you should be. But the RNC attack dog machine is really scary.
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 10:39 AM by Seabiscuit
Repuke 527's will be coming out of the woodwork and blanketing the airwaves with smears no one has even yet imagined.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:15 AM
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84. Suggestions
Try not to let them spy on Obama's debate strategy. Good luck on that. The schmucks on the other side have been so bad they have not been caught out on having that advantage.

Remember it is about image. McCain must appear vigorous yet experienced, decisive and simple. Obama should somehow strip that away without abandoning his simple superior presence- or simply outshine, overshadow and render generally pathetic the inane mutterings of the crank. Study McCain's Senate and GOP debates. Push the buttons smartly(he will be prepped not to react with anger and will release anger at certain points like terrorism and the war). Of course this goes back to not allowing the massive GOP spy network to know your planning in advance. Obama should keep a lot of his ideas in his own counsel. Nothing zings like a real surprise.

Short circuit the media pre-game festivities and spin. Keeping THEM off guard is even more important than winning the debate(and having them frame it thereafter). Go over the heads of the media arena and their set focus groups and pundits while leaving them pretty much abandoning the sinking McCain ship.

Here is how the papers play these debates. They parallel the points and legitimate ideas making both look equal and thereby giving a ludicrous favor to McCain, ignoring gaffes and visual judgments. The TV follows up their show with days of interpretations that determine the effect of the debates to some degree in the GOP favor(no matter how obviously disastrous they are for the GOP). Winning on points has been accomplished by many many eventual electoral losers. Winning on image is a net advantage, perhaps decisive. The first debate often seals the deal and only the GOP is usually allowed to "recover" in a second debate.

So Obama does not have to be a classic debate artist, merely shine, stay on message and brutally contrast. Ripping into an opening is a plus but not really necessary or necessarily advantageous. Staying cool and positive might do to McCain what happened to Hillary and everyone else, giving him his shot and keeping him irrelevant to Obama's rising star. Looseness, quickness, gravitas, populist fire and keep McCain aggravated. Put McCain always on the defensive or off to the side. If the nation finally wants the debate on the war, let them have it, or any real issue. In all these reality bites the GOP.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:17 AM
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85. I've been listening to Air America and callers there think that Obama did fine and looks presidentia
and that HRC hurt herself with her attacks last night.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:20 AM
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87. Yeah. Right...Obama Supporter. I've heard that one before.
I'm sure your car is festooned with Hillary bumperstickers. Your faux and planted concern is not welcome.

J
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:34 AM
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89. Obama did quite well against Clinton; he's gotten a lot better.
Both of them would eat McCain for lunch; his speaking skills do not measure up to theirs.
Don't worry.
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Unbowed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:09 PM
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90. Obama's tougher than you think. There isn't a timid bone in his body.
And he's very smart.

All he has to do is goad McCain into losing his temper, which is fairly easy to do if you know how to push buttons. And nothing rattles Obama. He's cool under pressure. And he has the ability to cut someone off at the knees with a knowing laugh and a smile. He used humor brilliantly against HRC in the TX debate. Even Hillary appeared to genuinely admire his skill.

Nobody who's been a community organizer on the streets of Chicago and who has run as brilliant a campaign as he has will be a pushover to the likes of More Wars McCain.

And remember, he's debating a Democrat now. He'll be much tougher on a Republican. He doesn't want to hurt HRC so he's using a softer touch. He's already been much tougher on McCain than he has been on Hillary. Remember, Clinton and Obama agree on more than they disagree on. Bottom line is: Obama knows if he doesn't get the nomination, he'll be voting for Hillary Clinton. She's not the enemy, just his opponent, a distinction that too people here sadly have no concept of.

Let me put it this way: Hillary and Obama are competing for the honor of taking McCain to task. From what I've seen, I think Obama will be tougher for McCain to debate than Hillary.

I believe Obama is going to win the nomination and I doubt McCain will be able to land a glove on him in any debate. Obama is quick on his feet and a good study. He's been holding back with Hillary but there will be a much different dynamic with McCain. And with McCain, there is just so much to work with.





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Ino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:05 PM
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91. I'm not at all worried.
He doesn't have to out-scare McCain. Just sidestep his war-mongering with a gentle "It hasn't worked, and it doesn't have to be that way."
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:44 PM
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92. Obama has to be nice to Clinton. He can argue with McCain, as long as...
he doesn't make cheap shots about his age or suchlike. Just as McCain can throw accusations at Obama that Hillary would never make.

My take on it is that McCain will go 'leadership, commander-in-chief, security!!' and Obama will (very gently) remind him that that being a hero doesn't make him a good general.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:35 PM
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95. Gloves are coming off.

Barack will go bare-knuckles this summer, and you will see the chicago skills, and you will believe. We have a champion.

That weird face you've seen on him during the Hillary debates? That was the face of RESTRAINT. He wasn't trying to damage her, because they're really on the same side here.

No punches need to be pulled against McCain. Barack will have the full arsenal of his wit, PLUS all the history from Keating to Iseman.

Slaughter.

Title.

Inauguration.

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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:45 PM
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96. Obama and McCain debating would be so boring.
Ugh. Neither of them are good at it. The audience is going to fall asleep. Yawn. :boring:
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:56 PM
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97. LOL thats a laugh Shaniqua. Have you heard Obama speech and McCain speech
go back and look and tell me if you don't see the difference.
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:10 PM
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98. Obama sucks at debating.
His speeches are very good and motivational. But he is a weak debater. Speeches and debates are very different formats. I still think that a debate between these two would be very boring unless McCain lost his temper. Then it may get a little exciting! BTW, why do Obama supporters constantly come back and say something rude every time someone expresses their opinions about him? I support both of our candidates, but the fact is Clinton is better at debating than Obama. He constantly searches for something to say and he says "ummm" and "ahhh" way too much in my opinion.
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:13 PM
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99. How did I say anything rude? You were rude when you said Obama sucks at debating
:shrug: That makes no sense. Did you watch the debate last night? He really held his own. By the way, most humans say "umm" unless they're robots or have memorized what they're going to say. He sounds thoughtful and pensive and would rather have that than a perfect robot.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:18 PM
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100. agree with angie.

It's boring to watch someone pull punches, as Barack needed to do with the wife of Bill Clinton, who still holds the title of the most popular democrat of the 20th century.

The 'boring' aspect will be gone soon, as Bill Clinton will be on our side, working the corner as we go up against the 'Straight-talk Express'.

Don't be fooled, Obama can debate. It's just hard to debate with your mirror-image.

Bring it, John.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:24 PM
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103. I disagree.......
I find Obama's debating style to be very intense and authentic.

Hillary says a lot more, but none of it is ever very profound or illuminating.

To each his/her own.

And I have great taste, btw!
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:33 PM
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104. Obama-Hillary splitting hairs is boring...

without a doubt, their debates took a plodding, hair-splitting tone, because they are so similar, nothing to really sink your teeth into when you're a center-left debating an identical center-left... I'm amazed they found anything to fight about...

How many times did each one say 'I agree with Barack/Hillary'?

There will be none of that with a republican. Barack will be fed soooo much more juicy bits to attack.

'Silly Season' will pale in comparison to the zings he'll get off against John.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:35 PM
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105. Are you kidding? McCain is a lousy debater.
He does all that phony "my friends" stuff, but his delivery is painfully dull and he really isn't very well-informed about anything but military/defense stuff. Either Obama or Clinton could beat him like a rented mule.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:36 PM
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106. McCain is a terrible debater and a terrible candidate
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 10:37 PM by BrentTaylor
Leave it to Democrats to always be scared shitless of Repukes
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