I now believe that a unity ticket is the best solution

[Ugnmoose]

In the likely event that neither Clinton or Obama receive enough votes (without superdelegates) to win it outright, I think that it is in the best interest of the Party to have both of them on the ticket. If I were voting, I would give the nod to Clinton for President and Obama for VP, simply because of her more extensive experience. This would help groom Obama so he can hopefully be her successor in 8 years God willing. I might say that both were extremely impressive in the debates tonight and there is no doubt that we will be well served no matter who is at the top of the ticket.

[Johnny__Motown]

1. If a Clinton is on the ticket then the Clinton haters will come out against the ticket.

[mth44sc]

5. The Clinton haters

are gonna hate whoever we have on the ticket.

[Ichingcarpenter]

Forget this board

I know many independents that will vote for Obama and not for a Clinton.

No matter which way you try to spin it
it is real, and a factor.

[Windy]

6. Unfortunately, I agree with you. nt

[DUyellow]

12. it is true

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

2. I Agree Wholeheartedly.

EVERY SINGLE PERSON I've talked to at my work, has had that as their first choice of ticket. EVERY SINGLE ONE.

The buzz created from that ticket would be unstoppable. UNSTOPPABLE.

[Matariki]

11. As recently as a few months ago, I didn't this this could be a possible or winning ticket

But I wholeheartedly agree with you - I think they would be unstoppable. And the historic nature of that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy for this country.

[crispini]

3. Recommended!

[gateley]

4. When they're in the midst of scuffles I just can't fathom it. But in a love fest

like tonight -- and the last debate -- you gotta wonder if it just might be possible....

[Schema Thing]

7. go away

[keep_it_real]

8. Heck no, Obama for President and Hillary for VP

She is just too dry and dull for the Pres.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

9. no, don't want her a heartbeat away from the Presidency

sorry.

:scared:

[DUyellow]

10. heck no, it would take the ticket down

[StrongBad]

13. If Hillary pulls this off then I think she'll offer Barak the VP spot

However, I don't think the reverse of that statement is true.

[Whisp]

14. No way. No more Clintons in the House! nt

[HeraldSquare212]

15. nope, not either way

[babylonsister]

16. Nope. They don't like each other despite the pretty words tonight.

She's 'honored' to be with Barack Obama after he's been trashed mercilessly for months, from both of them?

She's playing the country, and people here.

[Ugnmoose]

20. John Kennedty didn't like Lyndon Johnson and vice versa

Sometimes it is in everyone's interest to compromise. And by the way, they both have alot more in common than they differ.

[babylonsister]

25. Yes, they do have a lot in common.

I could be wrong about Clinton and Obama. I just think he could find a brilliant vp that I haven't even thought about yet, but it could also be Clinton.

I have a lot of faith in Obama's judgment. And his campaign, and his team. I'm very jazzed, and I'm not alone.

[MonkeyFunk]

48. First, you have no reason to believe they don't like each other

real politicians don't take it as personally as you do. I think they get along fine.

And there's no requirement that a President and Vice-President like each other, anyway. If the nominee determines the other one will help him/her get elected, the offer will be made.

[eallen]

17. You underestimate the differences in how their approach.

Neither will the other's running mate.

:hippie:

[muntrv]

18. I'd switch the ticket around. Obama's a better campaigner.

[Ichingcarpenter]

19. No thanks I won't vote for that

There is a difference and Bill Clinton is the difference.

[MonkeyFunk]

21. I've thought so since

their first heads-up debate.

It would certainly be historic.

[Radio_Lady]

46. Agree with you, but it would have to be Clinton for Pres. and Obama for VP.

The other way around is just not going to work, IMHO.

It's interesting to see all of the opinions on this thread.

I just hope we don't sacrifice the entire party with this in-fighting.

If Michigan and Florida aren't heard from, I just can't agree that anything after that would even be fair.

This whole schizoid posturing is really enervating. It didn't seem so bad before there were just two people left.

Good night and good luck.

Radio Lady Ellen in Oregon

[Divernan]

22. With Bill Clinton as her co-president, her VP would gather dust in a corner.

Or spend all their time at second level ceremonial functions. I can't see any young and vital politician giving up a Senate seat, House seat or governorship to be her VP. If they have presidential aspirations, they're far better off to hang on to their elected position.

[Ugnmoose]

26. Not necessarily

Bill Clinton gave Al Gore a significant level of responsibility and input on affairs of state. I think that if Hillary were elected she would be very careful to keep Bill behind the scenes. That said, why would she not want to consult with her husband who after all was President for 8 years.

[babylonsister]

27. Gosh, thank you, I'm not alone.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4704253

[Radio_Lady]

47. Diverman, you might be right. I have to admit I agree with you.

[MonkeyFunk]

51. In seven years

nobody's ever accused Bill of being co-Senator.

That's a right-wing smear, and isn't worthy of this site.

[Beregond2]

23. Unity

I just find it amazing that people still don't understand that if Hillary is the candidate or on the ticket, a Republican will win. It is so obvious. Hasn't anyone been paying attention for the past 18 years? To the right, she is the Antichrist, and they will turn out in their millions to vote for anyone who isn't her.

[enid602]

30. Antichrist

She is the Antichrist for the right because she'll end the war and bring about mandated, universal health insurance. She's gone through many hoops to prove that she can work within the system, but deep down, most people know she'll concentrate on unravelling everything Regan-Bushco has foisted upon us. I think it's way to late to bring the Republicans to the table.

[GarbagemanLB]

24. It would absolutely go against Obama's whole message and weaken him in the general. NO.

[Ichingcarpenter]

28. Bill Clinton the Vice...Vice or quarter president?

Not gonna happen.

[The River]

29. There Are Better Choices

Than Hill and her shadow.
Competent? yes, but too polarizing.
As an Edwards supporter I'd rather he be AG
than a VP.

Obama has done everything in the campaign near perfectly so far.
I'm sure his VP pick will be a qualified person who will
add appeal-expertise-depth and balance to the ticket.

[David Zephyr]

31. Our ticket will be Obama/Clinton and it will be sweep Democrats into big majorities in Congress.

This is the team that Americans are watching.

[scheming daemons]

32. Adding Clinton to his ticket neutralizes Obama's whole appeal....

...he's a smart candidate with a smart staff.

There is no way that he will add Hillary to his ticket. He wants to win in November, not simply placate Clinton Democrats.

[Blondiegrrl]

37. EXACTLY.

[Ichingcarpenter]

33. Not necessary, we will kick their ass no matter who is

the nominee, so the question is what do we want?

I'm sick of the DLC.

[bleever]

52. I'm of the same mind.

I've been wrong before, but I gave that up.

It would be a powerful coalition of Democrats, including the Howard Dean dems and the DLC.

It could reshape this whole "peanut butter OR jelly" debate.

[Blondiegrrl]

34. Clinton on Obama's ticket could only hurt him.

She brings him down. If he wants to win the GE and reward Hillary, he can appoint her to an important position AFTER he wins the GE. Tacking Hillary onto his coattails now would only help McCain.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

36. That's Insane. Them On The Ticket Together Is GUARANTEED VICTORY.

No other candidate combination could bear that claim.

[bluedawg12]

35. They looked good as a team. thought the same. n/t

[tyne]

39. There's

no way Obama is going to put Hillary on his ticket...nor should he.


They're approach to "governing" is too different.

[bluedawg12]

45. Realistically, it would also double the chances for backlash

those who are biased will have twice as much fear.

It was a thought as I watched the two very impressive people.

They have strengths that compliment each other to.

[Recursion]

38. I think it weakens either ticket

Clinton can't say "he's not ready to be President" and then nominate him as veep.

Obama can't say he's running against the politics of the last 20 years and then nominate her as veep.

It's a losing situation on both sides.

[babylonsister]

41. Thanks, for more than this. Your defense has been noted and

appreciated!

[Recursion]

43. Aww shucks...

Almost 2 years ago you picked out one of my first posts and gave it a thread. My how time flies on DU....

[Radio_Lady]

49. dmesg, that is a very powerful argument. Never thought of it that way.

[Fovea]

40. I suspect before that happened

we'd see a pure brokered dark horse.

Who, besides Gore might that be?

Edwards, Clark, Richardson, Dodd, but I would really like to reach into academia and draft
someone like Robert Reich.

We need a team that understands Keynesian economics and the geopolitics of resource management. We gotta get much lighter in our resource demand from other economies. We need to let trade re-connect with proximity to resource and local economy more than cheap labor.

That will take work. And frankly, I am not sure either is up to it. Of those that are up to it, a Richardson-Reich ticket might do it.

Or Edwards-Richardson
Or Dodd-Kucinich
Or Clark-Saunders (ok he's an independent, but that might work for us)

IMO any of those would work.

[texas_indy]

42. No Hillary! Obama can pick plenty of others who would help and not torpedo the election. (nt)

[totodeinhere]

44. I would prefer for Clinton to stay in the Senate.

Obama will need strong allies like her in the Senate in order to get things done. There are other great choices such as Senator Boxer for VP.

[Ichingcarpenter]

50. You don't get it...... INDEPENDENTS DON"T LIKE HER OR THE CLINTONS

I know this and the data shows it.

[noiretextatique]

53. an excellent idea

:thumbsup: please note the opposition from the supporters of the unity candidate arguing against party unity :crazy:

bush has a 19% approval rating
the best the republicans can muster is mccain
democrats have bush's 8 year recond of failure, abuse of power, and the war in iraq
republicans and independents were disullusioned with the status quo...even before obama

:wtf: "hope and change" is a no-brainer. and still...some democrats are more concerned with the "national unity" that is already ours for the taking than with party unity.

i think we will once again get exactly what we deserve.

[mythyc]

54. Bad idea; I couldn't disagree more.

It's not about party unity for barack-- it's about national unity. besides her general polarizing-ness, or even different general styles, they represent different ideologies, and much of that has been the strength of his argument and case against her.