Can Hillary Win a Debate On A Plagiarized "Close" ? Media Says It Was Her One Good Moment.

[K Gardner]

It wasn't hers. How ironic is that? She and her camp and her supporters have rammed this down our throats for days now.

How typical that she tries now to save a disastrous debate with a plagiarized line or two. Do we think she had permission from John Edwards to close with his lines? Will she apologize? Will she admit she borrowed, like Obama admitted it?

Will Hillary show the same grace, the same aplomb.. or, as in the middle of the debate, will she continue to show us Sybil?

It is ironic they are running this CLOSE as the DEFINING moment of the debate. I do hope the media pays as much attention to this as they did the Clinton-driven Obama story. They've been duped by the Clinton Machine, once again.

[Horse with no Name]

1. .....

[K Gardner]

3. Hypocrite #2 arrives.

[Horse with no Name]

4. Hypocrite #1 started the thread. n/t

[K Gardner]

My candidate apologized. Will yours?

[Horse with no Name]

10. Considering that I don't have a candidate

That might be a little bit difficult.:shrug:
I'm STILL voting for Edwards and have blogged locally as to why that is an attractive option.

[K Gardner]

2. Please recommend if you think Hillary is a Hypocrite Extraordinaire.

[still_one]

I am an Obama supporter, but the media is trying to set her up

They played the same thing with Gore, saying he wasn't agressive enough, and encouraged him to be more agressive, and the minute he did that, they started to rag on him for it

If either Obama or Clinton go to negative they will be screwed

The media is neither candidates friends, they want to create friction, NOT DISCUSS THE REAL ISSUES

[calmblueocean]

11. The media doesn't like Hillary, but the 'plagiarism' backlash is a monster of her own creation.

She originated the charge, stupid and pointless as it was. The media didn't come up with it. She had the chance tonight to repudiate it. She didn't. And now it's clear she's snapped her own trap. This time it's not the media, it's her.

[K Gardner]

12. That's a good point.

[still_one]

14. I agree, but the media also wants the candidates to go negative

News today is not to inform, but entertain

that is just my take

This is just a version of American Idol to them, may be survivor is a better example

[Spiffarino]

16. "News today is not to inform, but entertain"

No, it's not just your take. I believe the majority firmly agrees with you.

Thom Hartmann speaks often about the way that news organizations changed after Reagan weakened some FCC regulations and deliberately quit enforcing others, rules that were further eroded in 1996 during Clinton's administration.

Before Reagan news and entertainment divisions were separated. After Reagan, news and entertainment divisions merged and both had to make money. Now Brittany Spears gets all the attention while illegal wiretaps by White House goons are treated like a page 10 story about a skateboarding squirrel.

[Cha]

24. There ya go.."snapped her own trap"..

It's been said that hilary is her own worst enemy.

[October]

13. Best response.

So true.

[Ichingcarpenter]

5. " Media Says It Was Her One Good Moment"

Not the media I pay attention to.

[tridim]

18. Yea, no joke. Olbermann clearly pointed out the hypocrisy.

[K Gardner]

19. I was watching MSNBC - they were gushing over it.

[Cha]

26. Neglecting to bring up how the audience

Booed?

[K Gardner]

27. They did talk about that, yes, but the first reviews were raves about her closing.

[TheZug]

6. Ironic, and unfortunately, deserved.

Back when her husband was first running, she could have gotten away with this. Not now.

It's so ironic: if she hadn't pushed the plagiarism thing, NO ONE would have brought up how she mimicked her husband and John Edwards. It would have been a shining moment. Instead it may be quite the opposite.

[K Gardner]

8. Exactly.

[BeyondGeography]

9. Well said

[Enrique]

7. I thought the healthcare part was much better for her

she seemed more genuine there.

[October]

15. Suddenly we listen to the *media?

Fuck the media.

[K Gardner]

17. Unfortunately, the media and the "internets" drove the first plagiarism story to the point

it ended up in the debate as a question, and where Hillary tried awkwardly to bash Obama with it. Ironically, now they're praising her for her POWERFUL Close.. and it wasn't even hers. That's my beef :-)

[Barack_America]

20. Then listen for yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAYItnI-lPo

[K Gardner]

22. Wow. I wonder if Edwards alerted them, LOL. Can you imagine JE sitting at home

and watching her get all emotional at the end, using his lines/theme? I bet he was like.. "Elizabeth.. that's me ! "

Thanks for this video.. somebody's on the ball !

[Barack_America]

25. It's been linked around here a bunch.

So I can't claim credit for it. But it is pretty damning, isn't it?

Shit even I remember Edwards saying that, and my mind ain't no steel trap! ;)

[ErnestoG]

32. You never know with a Hillar. They'd take a press quote from the devil himself

if it favored Hillary.

[IndianaGreen]

21. Politico quoting John Edwards 13 December 2007 debate

An echo from Hillary

Several readers, and Obama's staff, heard an echo in Clinton's closing line, that the candidates on stage would be "fine."

Clinton Tonight:

You know, whatever happens, we're going to be fine. You know, we have strong support from our families and our friends. I just hope that we'll be able to say the same thing about the American people. And that's what this election should be about.?

Edwards the December 13 debate:

What's not at stake are any of us. All of us are going to be just fine no matter what happens in this election. But what's at stake is whether America is going to be fine.?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/

[K Gardner]

23. Well, yanno.. they're "Just Words" *snicker*

[loveangelc]

28. what are you talking about? I dont even see that much talk about it.

pretty much everyoen is saying that nothing changed tonight and obama has greatly improved

[K Gardner]

29. It was just the very first initial remarks, angelc.. the first hour of

coverage on MSNBC devoted quite a bit of space to gushing over it. I'm hoping by tomorrow the coverage will be reframed, because you know this copy video is going to make the rounds. :hi:

I agree that this past hour, the coverage has been much more even-handed and very good for Obama.

[loveangelc]

30. I hope it does :-)

[Scurrilous]

31. Yep...

...Hypocrite Extraordinaire!

K & R :thumbsup:

[MrSlayer]

33. It was the same idea in different words.

Technically it was original. If you parse and split hairs you can get away with a lot.