Hillary showed her age by using the term "Xerox" in place of "copy"

[CreekDog]

This is an example of a stupid and non-helpful observation. I encourage Obama and Hillary supporters to go off on me for making it.

:yoiks:

[TheZug]

1. Hey, but she's hip to "the youtube."

[CreekDog]

4. they love her on the tubes

they got all clogged from people trying to see her.

"So, you press a lot of buttons?" --Larry King asks Roseanne after she tries to explain the internet to him (in 2006).

[madrchsod]

10. the tubes?----is that her with the dog???

[CreekDog]

14. That was early on in her 35 years of experience

:rofl:

[ContinentalOp]

16. Haha! Yeah that's the line that young people will definitely remember.

I know some posters here will attack me as being shallow but I think that the candidates should have a grasp on these things by now, considering what a big role "the internets" play in politics, our nation's culture, day to day life, etc.

[ErnestoG]

26. OMG that video of hers is the WORST piece of shit I have seen on EWETUBE

[RunningFromCongress]

61. umm she was right to say "the" as in "the video of" or "the youtube of"

[Bluebear]

2. You expected maybe "mimeographed"?

:)

[CreekDog]

7. Ditto

oops.

[MaineDem]

51. That's funny.

:rofl: for those of us who remember.

[Breeze54]

3. Stupid like a fox.

It's common terminology older Americans understand and it was a great line! :)

Even I'll admit that! ;)

[Arkansas Granny]

49. Not just older Americans understood it. Do you really think

that younger Americans heard that remark and thought, "Xerox, what the hell's a xerox?".

[CreekDog]

56. you mean like this?

[rodeodance]

5. and you are showing your HOLLOWNESS>

[CreekDog]

6. that's not true

i'm superficial and petty.

:toast:

[Cha]

24. For real...artificial and petty..ergo

Ze Boooooooos!

[CreekDog]

8. I guarantee nobody under 40 created that line

:think:

[PurityOfEssence]

32. Dross. Cull the lot of 'em.

Only youth matters. Besides, nothing of cultural value was created before the last few years anyway...

"I am not young enough to know everything."

--Oscar Wilde

[madrchsod]

9. i`m 61 and zerox is like a thousands of years ago....

i had a mimeograph machine and that was a million years ago...today it`s scan or copy

[Breeze54]

11. Xerox is #1 in the photocopying business.

Xerox Corporation (NYSE:XRX) is the world's leading document management technology and services enterprise. A $17 billion company, Xerox provides the document industry's broadest portfolio of offerings. Digital systems include color and black-and-white printing and publishing systems, digital presses and "book factories," multifunction devices, laser and solid ink network printers, copiers and fax machines. Xerox's services expertise is unmatched and includes helping businesses develop online document archives, analyzing how employees can most efficiently share documents and knowledge in the office, operating in-house print shops or mailrooms, and building Web-based processes for personalizing direct mail, invoices, brochures and more. Xerox also offers associated software, support and supplies such as toner, paper and ink.

The company's operations are guided by customer-focused and employee-centered core values -- such as environmental sustainability, citizenship, diversity and quality -- augmented by a passion for innovation, speed and adaptability.

# Headquarters: Norwalk, Connecticut, U.S.A.
# Chairman and CEO: Anne M. Mulcahy
# Employees: 57,400 worldwide
# Fortune 500 ranking: No. 145

http://www.xerox.com/go/xrx/portal/STServlet?Xcntry=USA&Xlang=en_US&pageID=Landing&projectID=ST_About_Xerox

[madrchsod]

19. i know

the printing company i worked at had a really nice xerox printer...there`s a whole generation that has no idea today it`s copy or scan. my daughter looks at a typewriter as a machine from the distant past.she`s 22 and has never used one.

[paulk]

12. actually, it's the demographic she's appealing to

that will understand the reference.

[CreekDog]

21. but she already has that demographic

she needs the other ones! :think:

[PurityOfEssence]

13. This is the most addle-headed "coolness" fixation crap I've heard in a long time

She's 60, as if that isn't more or less obvious. Does this use of the word mean she's out of touch? No. What it means is that it isn't up with the tiresome need for hipness that enslaves so many people.

I'm in my late forties and I don't call people "dude"; I call them "man". Friends who use the term "dog" and "crib" seem silly. It's not a question of acting one's age, it's a question of trying so very, very hard to be revered as cutting edge.

It's hard to divine which side you're on on this issue, but it sounds like you're ridiculing those who take issue with her awkward use of a grating archaism. If so, I'm right with you.

Obama's camp may be hipper than hipness itself, but that's no virtue; in the end, it betrays an aching need to be accepted as "with it", and that's pathetic.

The hipness police set my teeth on edge, and the faddish nature of the Obama candidacy just can't seem to get enough of itself. This campaign (not just his operation, but the whole tenor of the thing from both of them and among the Republicans) really has devolved into something truly base and vulgar, and that's not the worst of it; the worst of it is that it's shrill and deeply, deeply shallow.

[ContinentalOp]

20. I understand where you're coming from but,

I think there's more to it than simply being hip to the lingo on a superficial level. The Xerox reference didn't bother me (although it was a dumb, overly scripted line) but I found her mention of "the youtube" incredibly grating. Youtube isn't exactly some arcane thing that "the kids" are into. It was just another out-of-touch moment like not driving for a decade or not knowing the price of milk. I thought it was particularly telling given the importance of online campaigning and fundraising and how poorly her campaign seems to have done in this area compared to the Obama campaign.

And she's not just some random 60 year old. She's a 60 year old who wants to represent our entire country. So yeah, she SHOULD be "hip." An ideal president needs to be hip to what's happening overseas, in the marketplace at home and abroad and other wonky stuff but they should also be "hip" to basic aspects of contemporary American culture and daily life! It's kind of like a basic cultural awareness (or lack thereof). We blast Bush for not knowing the first thing about foreign cultures but in some ways a gaffe like "the internets" is even more unsettling.

[PurityOfEssence]

25. Human nature doesn't change

That's why communism failed, that's why libertarianism can't work, and that's why the deregulating conservative ideologues will fail: the human being is a mixed bag and doesn't change.

There's a huge difference between being "with it" and misspeaking. Yes, her gaffe was a wincer, but hardly of the Ernest Hollings variety when he referred to "Bevis and Butthead" as "Buffcoat and Beaver". A little proportion is a handy condiment to keep around, even at the all-you-can-eat frenzy of religious-charged politics.

The groupthink peer-pressure that trumpets from bandwagon novelty acts like this campaign brings out the worst in people. It's like being at recess sometimes, and the ridicule heaped with the shouting demand of the true believers to quash any dissent gets old in a hurry. It's especially old when the subject is how shockingly cool one can be.

Personally, I like political appeals to be made to me out of rationality, and this campaign is relying virtually entirely on raw emotion, fervid oneness and gobs and gobs of religion. Being a history buff, this scares me. Being a pluralist, it offends me. Being somewhat rational, it just turns me off and makes me suspicious.

I'm glad so many people are having such a fulfilling damned thrillfest, but it's my future too.

[ContinentalOp]

28. Yes, because knowing what the hell is going on in your country is "shockingly cool."

That Buffcoat and Beaver line is pretty funny though. I hadn't heard that one before. I'm kind of curious how Obama is the candidate of groupthink peer-pressure when Hillary is the one who had the name recognition and inevitability. Isn't your condescension really the same form of peer-pressure that you're supposedly opposed to? It's a bit like that obnoxious old stereotype about being liberal when you're young and then getting more conservative as you "mature."

For the record, I work at home and never really talk to my friends about politics. Until a couple of days ago I hadn't visited DU since the last election. I support Obama based on listening to him speak and reading about his life, his accomplishments, and his views on the issues. My opinion of Hillary is based on her own words and actions. I'm not sure what emotion and groupthink I'm supposed to have fallen prey to but I'm sure I'll understand someday when I grow up a bit.

[PurityOfEssence]

29. That was a slur at the campaign, not necessarily all supporters or you

If you reread, hopefully you'll see that the derision was toward the campaign in general. It's not that I'm above such snottiness, it's just that this wasn't one of the occasions.

To me, there's been an endless and extreme exuberance to this campaign that transcends much of any sense and often reacts in outrage at any dissent. The religious overtones are unmistakable to me, and the blinkered disregard for his vulnerabilities does not bode well; if he's the nominee, he still has to weather the coming storm.

Shouting people down for being uncool is tiresome, and I've heard it from many quarters. No offense meant, but in my line of work, I get around. Often I'll work for weeks at end at home, but more often I'll be working with many, many new people from quite a few different walks of life, and the last four months has been one of those periods. Much as emotional identification is what tends to drive most voters in their affiliations, the sweep of rapturous joy that so many Obama supporters seem to be surfing is a bit disturbing to sense. There's a reason why the campaign has been derided as a "cult".

This is like Dean '03 on meth, and much of it is based on untruths, misconceptions and fluff. The way any stumbles get shouted down is not only ill-mannered, it's self-destructive. Damage control needs to be more than just outright dismissal of any criticism to be truly effective.

Hammett's terribly underrated...

[ContinentalOp]

30. Dean on Meth?

Maybe. With the crucial difference that Obama can win elections! That's what I care about at this point.

And Hammett is not really that underrated is he? ;)

[Breeze54]

41. Damage control needs to be more than just outright dismissal of any criticism to be truly effective.

Your whole reply was Well Said but I particularly liked the line I quoted!

Thank You! :applause: :applause:

[smalll]

22. Thank you!

:applause: :applause: :applause:
I wish we could recommend single posts!

[misanthrope]

37. What if you use both "dude" and "man"...

...and only use "dog" or "crib" in highly emphasized irony or sarcasm?

[PurityOfEssence]

39. Then you're beyond redemption and should hang your head in shame

You dig?

[misanthrope]

44. You forgot the "Daddy-O."**nm

**

[CreekDog]

60. so 70's

:evilgrin:

Can you dig it?

[CreekDog]

59. so 90's

[Occam Bandage]

15. This is the most useful post in the history of the Internet.

[Major Hogwash]

36. "We'll have to let history be the judge of that. Besides, we'll all be dead by then."

If Xerox was in charge of the internet, everything would have been trademarked by now, to prevent copying.

[Beausoir]

17. Oh gods noe! She showed her age??? Gasp! The horrors!

Jesus. Is that really what you base your vote on?

[ErnestoG]

27. Hillary's base is the aging, sour rejects of the 60s movement

who felt they didnt get all the goodies they should have for being a part of it.

[Major Hogwash]

35. Just the older women, not the older men.

The older men realize that they will get to be hip again this summer if they break out their old tie-dyed teeshirts of John Lennon.

LoL

[Breeze54]

40. Apt screen name.

:P

[Breeze54]

38. Your comment reflects the rhetoric of Obama and that's why I don't like him.

He has convinced you to treat boomers like shit but what he forgot to tell you is that

the 'boomers' are the largest voting swath in America. "Dems eat their own" seems to hold

true for the young, stupid and gullible Obama supporters. Be careful what you say.

It may come back to bite you. And don't forget, we're all in this together.

[DemGa]

18. I know, all the hip kids were like "wha?"

Get a clue Grandma, "Hope and Change!!"

[Breeze54]

23. That's what we voted for in 1972

;)

[LadyVT]

31. Most voters are over 40

[judaspriestess]

33. damn I still say gag me with a spoon

from my teenage years in the Eighties. Like oh my gawd!!

[CreekDog]

45. I've never said that

but then again I grew up in Northern California, well outside the Valley.

[Radical Activist]

34. She hasn't had to make a copy since the Xerox days.

She doesn't work the night shift or do her own busy work around the office. Not for years. She's too important for that.

[emilyg]

42. She's not hiding her age.

[bridgit]

43. you just showed yours by not using 'laser-printer'

:rofl:

[sniffa]

46. Change you can mimeograph

:rofl:

[Hoof Hearted]

47. BURN HER!

[Kitty Herder]

48. Damn, how young do you have to be to not understand Xerox?

Clinton is twice my age, but I certainly understand Xerox. Maybe thirty is over the hill these days.
I dunno. I have many friends who are in their early 20s. They understand the word Xerox and I'm sure that 18-year-olds aren't so much younger than my friends that they wouldn't understand it.

I guess if she was going for that elusive too-young-to-vote demographic, it was the wrong choice of words.

[lateo]

50. No s he didn't

Look at her campaign contributions from employees of the company.

[demokatgurrl]

52. Actually what she showed was a lack of understanding

of trademark law. But obviously you understand it very well so I will spare you an explanation.

[TZ]

53. I'll show my age: when you "cc" someone on an email....

Do you know what cc really means? Carbon Copy. Back from the day when people used carbon paper to make multiple copies.
How many of us talk about "scotch tape" ,"sharpie" for any marker etc. Using xerox instead of copy isn't that bad, IMO.

[alphafemale]

54. It's not about age. It was a stupid line that fell flat on its face.

That line alone lost her chances of getting the nomination I think.

[Perry Logan]

55. FYI: the Lounge is citing this thread as proof that GD:P is crazy.

And who can blame them?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x7497013

[ElsewheresDaughter]

57. ROFL true that

:silly:

[L0oniX]

58. Xerox ...it's a noun ...not a verb.