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cloud75 Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:12 AM
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What has obama done to end the war? If he's the answer
why hasn't he done anything.... he was in the senate for two years before running for president what the hell did obama do to end the war he has been and is a powerful senator all you anti-war people who think this is your guy, really, he has already let you guys down by doing nothing for two years.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:14 AM
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1. Not a god damned thing!
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:17 AM
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2. Vote against Kerry-Feingold
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:17 AM
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3. He voted to fund it !!!!
:sarcasm:

I'm an anti-war voter and I don't support either of them.

My man is Kucinich.

And for the Dems ultimately.



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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:22 AM
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4. he gets a pass because of some silly ass speech he gave in
02 saying he was against the war. That speech has no bearing at all in todays climate. Yes obama has voted right along with hrc on this iraqi funding....for someone that was so opposed to the war as he says, did he ever get on the senate floor and fillibuster anything about the war? NO....Did he get out and protest the war? NO

Listen someone with some balls needs to tell obama, "damn man you cannot keep on bringing up that I was against the war, you are going to have to deal with the cards that are dealt if you become president.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:27 AM
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5. The real question is what Deval Patrick would have done about the IWR?
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:27 AM
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6. For all the posters on this thread that say Obama hasn't done enough
to end the war...

Let me remind you that earlier this week there was a widespread story about how Pentagon pencil pushers probably caused the deaths of hundreds of marines because they didn't provide them with MRAP vehicles in a timely fashion. Right now, this is a very sad story where the blame falls squarely on Pentagon contractors, the Bush administration, and the Marine Corp. chain of command.

If the Senate had voted to cut funding... Bush would have left the troops there to die OR found the funding some other way, and, most importantly, put the deaths of these marines and probably a lot of others as well, squarely on the shoulder of those Senators that voted to not fund the war (They don't support the troops!).

It would NOT have stopped the war. It would only ensure that more troops would have died and John McCain would be the next President.

The only thing that would stop this war is to remove George Bush as Commander in Chief, either through impeachment and removal from office, or running out the clock and elect a democrat to the White House.

Funding or not funding isn't going to change anything except the ability to elect a Democrat as our next President.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:30 AM
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7. well, you could ask that of the entire Democratic leadership in Congress
sorry to say. The few lone anti-war voices like Kucinich haven't made an impact on the Democratic leadership clods.
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reality based Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:33 AM
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8. He's been too busy trying to get along with Republicans to do anything
disruptive and polarizing.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:36 AM
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9. Bwahahaha!

:rofl:

Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, one of the most prominent Democrats in the 2008 presidential field, proposed for the first time setting a deadline for withdrawing troops from Iraq, as part of a broader plan aimed at bolstering the freshman senator's foreign policy credentials.

Obama's legislation, offered on the Senate floor last night, would remove all combat brigades from Iraq by March 31, 2008. The date falls within the parameters offered by the bipartisan Iraq Study Group, which recommended the removal of combat troops by the first quarter of next year.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/30/AR2007013001586.html

Oh yeah I love this shit!

Bills introduced, sponsored, or co-sponsored by US Senator Obama.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/21/174658/246

Obama will most likely be our Democratic presidential nominee, and may very well be our president...with or without your support. How does that make you feel?

Change is coming my friend. Do you really think you can stop it?
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:49 AM
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13. Did you ever look at the date of that show bill?
What did he do before he began running for president? Nothing.

Where did that bill go by the way? Did Obama use his bipartisan magic, charm, msm support to fight to get the bill up for a committee vote at least? Or was it just for show?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:38 AM
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10. I'm still gonna go with "not voting to start it in the first place"
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:40 AM
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11. So, if I break your leg and do nothing to heal it is the same as not breaking your leg at all?
She broke it, she bought it (her small part of it)

she was wrong

she can't be president because of it,

IF she had voted against the war then this would have ended on Feb 5th and she would have $50 million in her war chest for the GE
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:43 AM
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12. Obama shut up about Kerry's vote -- gave him political cover
I guess he's only a part-time "transformational figure."
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:06 AM
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14. Introduced legislation to end it
But I guess you'd rather support the person who didn't even want to support benchmarks until it became clear she couldn't get elected unless she changed her tune.
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cloud75 Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:27 AM
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15. Sorry wrong answer Dennis Kucinich is the only TRUE anti-war
candidate. that bill was window dressing.
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:30 AM
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16. He couldn't even get a stem cell research bill passed in Illinois/nt
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:32 AM
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17. here is Obama's pro-war record....
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 10:33 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
Then there’s the matter of his actual policy and political record. If Obama is such (as many “progressives” seem to need to believe) an “antiwar” candidate, why has he offered so much substantive policy support to the criminal occupation and the broader imperial “war on terror” of which Bush says O.I.F. is a part? Here are some highlights from a summary of Obama’s U.S. Senate voting record recently sent to me by the Creative Youth News Team (CYNT 2007), a progressive African American advocacy organization:



“1/26/05: Obama voted to confirm Condoleezza Rice for Secretary of State. Rice was largely responsible…for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent victims in unnecessary wars...Roll call 2”



“2/01/05: Obama was part of a unanimous consent agreement not to filibuster the nomination of lawless torturer Alberto Gonzales as chief law enforcement officer of the United States (U.S. Attorney General).”



“2/15/05: Obama voted to confirm Michael Chertoff, a proponent of water-board torture... man behind the round-up of thousands of people of Middle-Eastern descent following 9/11. By Roll call 10.”



“4/21/05: Obama voted to make John ‘Death Squad’ Negroponte the National Intelligence Director. In Central America, John Negroponte was connected to death squads that murdered nuns and children in sizable quantities. He is suspected of instigating death squads while in Iraq, resulting in the current insurgency. Instead of calling for Negroponte's prosecution, Obama rewarded him by making him National Intelligence Director. Roll call 107”



“4/21/05: Obama voted for HR 1268, war appropriations in the amount of approximately $81 billion. Much of this funding went to Blackwater USA and Halliburton and disappeared. Roll call 109 ”



“7/01/05: Obama voted for H.R. 2419, termed ‘The Nuclear Bill’ by environmental and peace groups. It provided billions for nuclear weapons activities, including nuclear bunker buster bombs. It contains full funding for Yucca Mountain, a threat to food and water in California, Nevada, Arizona and states across America. Roll call 172 .”



“9/26/05 & 9/28/05: Obama failed and refused to place a hold on the nomination of John Roberts, a supporter of permanent detention of Americans without trial, and of torture and military tribunals for Guantanamo detainees.”

“10/07/05: Obama voted for HR2863, which appropriated $50 billion in new money for war. Roll call 2 .”



“11/15/05: Obama voted for continued war, again. Roll call 326 was the vote on the Defense Authorization Act (S1042) which kept the war and war profiteering alive, restricted the right of habeas corpus and encouraged terrorism. Pursuant to his pattern, Obama voted for this. .”



“12/21/05: Obama confirmed his support for war by voting for the Conference Report on the Defense Appropriations Act (HR 2863), Roll call 366, which provided more funding to Halliburton and Blackwater. ”



“5/2/06: Obama voted for money for more war by voting for cloture on HR 4939, the emergency funding to Halliburton, Blackwater and other war profiteers. Roll call 103 .”



“5/4/06: Obama, again, voted to adopt HR4939: emergency funding to war profiteers. Roll call 112 .”



“6/13/06: Obama voted to commend the armed services for a bombing that killed innocent people and children and reportedly resulted in the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi… Michael Berg, whose son was reportedly killed by al-Zarqawi, condemned the attack and expressed sorrow over the innocent people and children killed in the bombing that Obama commended. Roll call 168 .”



“6/15/06: Obama voted for the conference report on HR4939, a bill that gave warmongers more money to continue the killing and massacre of innocent people in Iraq and allows profiteers to collect more money for scamming the people of New Orleans. Roll Call 171 .”



“6/15/06: Obama, again, opposed withdrawal of the troops, by voting to table a motion to table a proposed amendment would have required the withdrawal of US. Armed Forces from Iraq and would have urged the convening of an Iraq summit (S Amdt 4269 to S. Amdt 4265 to S2766) Roll Call 174 ”



“6/22/06: Obama voted against withdrawing the troops by opposing the Kerry Amendment (S. Amdt 4442 to S 2766) to the National Defense Authorization Act. The amendment, which was rejected, would have brought our troops home. Roll Call 181 ”



“6/22/06: Obama voted for cloture (the last effective chance to stop) on the National Defense Authorization Act (S 2766), which provided massive amounts of funding to defense contractors to continue the killing in Iraq. Roll Call 183.”



“6/22/06: Obama again voted for continued war by voting to pass the National Defense Authorization Act (S 2766) for continued war funding. Roll Call 186 .



9/7/06: Obama voted to give more money to profiteers for more war (H..R. 5631). Roll Call 239 ”



“9/29/06: Obama voted vote for the conference report on more funding for war, HR 5631. Roll Call 261 .”



“11/16/06: Obama voted for nuclear proliferation in voting to pass HR 5682, a bill to exempt the United States-India Nuclear Proliferation Act from requirements of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954. Roll Call 270 .”



“12/06/06: Obama voted to confirm pro-war Robert M. Gates to be Secretary of Defense. Gates is a supporter of Bush's policies of pre-emptive war and conquest of foreign countries. Roll Call 272 ”



“Obama's voting record in 2007 establishes that he continues to be pro-war. On March 28, 2007 and March 29th, 2007, he voted for cloture and passage of a bill designed to give Bush over $120 billion to continue the occupation for years to come (with a suspendable time table) and inclusive of funding that could be used to launch a war with Iran. Roll calls 117 and 126 ...Obama's record shows a minimum of 20 major pro-war votes…”





Wow. I might have worded things a little differently than CYNT at times, but that’s a damning bill of indictment.



Obama’s intra-Democratic political record also defies those who insistent on wrapping him in an antiwar flag. In 2006 Obama lent his celebrity and political finance assistance to neoconservative war Senator Joe Lieberman’s (“D”-Connecticut) struggle against the Democratic antiwar insurgent Ned Lamont. Obama supported other mainstream Democrats fighting genuinely antiwar progressives in primary races, collaborating with Democratic muscle man Rahm Emannuel’s campaign to marginalize “peaceniks” within the party (see Sirota 2006, Silverstein 2006 and Cockburn 2006).



In a November 2005 speech to the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Obama rejected Rep. John Murtha’s (D-Pa.) call for a rapid redeployment and any notion of a timetable for withdrawal. Obama advocated “a pragmatic solution to the real war we’re facing in Iraq” and made repeated references to the need to “defeat” the “insurgency.” This language meant continuation of the war (Ford and Gamble 2005).



Earlier that same year, Obama shamefully distanced himself from his fellow Senator Dick Durbin’s (D-IL) forthright criticism of U.S. torture practices at Guantanamo (Street 2005; Cockburn 2006).





And he still refuses to foreswear the use of first-strike nuclear weapons against Iran (Gerson 2007). As Kucinich pointed out during last night’s debate, this is what Obama’s comment that “all options are on the table” in regard to Iran really boils down to: the potential first black U.S. President is willing to seriously consider the launching of a thermonuclear attack on that country. Debate participant Mike Gravel (a left former U.S. Senator of Alaska)was thinking of that horrific possibility when said the following about the leading Democratic candidates (Obama included of course) last night: “these people scare me.”
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cloud75 Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:49 PM
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18. Thanks...saving it for future reference.
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