anamandujano
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Fri Feb-22-08 01:18 AM
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Question--Is it true that until the convention, nothing is set in stone? |
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Until the delegates actually pledge themselves, it's all open?
I don't think Hillary should do anything even vaguely resembling conceding until the convention, even if Obama gets to the magic number.
There is too much going on that will probably hit the news and we should not be saddled with someone who cannot seriously make a good run.
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Fri Feb-22-08 01:21 AM
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1. I want a brokered convention. I want to see the Ds nominate a third |
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person because neither Senators Clinton or Obama get enough delegates and the Republicans will not see it coming and have to come up with an entire strategy to bash the D candidate overnight.
The party wacktavists will be kind of mad though-unless the delegates come home and tell them what happened.
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Fri Feb-22-08 01:22 AM
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3. if clinton stays in the race after the people have spoken |
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she will forever ruin her career and her husband's legacy
she will drop out after ohio or texas if she does not win both. google bill's comments from the other day. he said so himself.
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Fri Feb-22-08 01:24 AM
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5. I agree, we need a brokered convention given how divided the party is. |
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Fri Feb-22-08 01:35 AM
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10. Exactly...a third candidate that no one else is expecting to give those |
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who would not support the other candidate no matter what a chance to pick someone everyone can agree on.
And boy would it MESS up the R's little plans.
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Fri Feb-22-08 05:07 AM
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17. I like Gore as much as the next person but can't really see someone |
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who hasn't been through the grueling primary season just stepping in and taking the prize.
It just doesn't seem fair.
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Fri Feb-22-08 08:17 AM
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Our big problem this year is that we have TWO very strong candidates - so let's choose someone who didn't get a single vote, has no money, and has no campaign organization. That's smart.
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Fri Feb-22-08 05:19 AM
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21. I can't imagine a surer path to defeat |
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Both Hillary and Barack have gotten millions of votes. Kicking the first woman and the the first black man to the curb for a white male (and who else is there?) would completely alienate millions. It's the only scenario in which I would not vote. And I sure as hell wouldn't be alone. And if you think the pukes couldn't attack, well.... Oh, and how in hell could someone else pull together a presidential campaign in August for Novemeber? It's totally ridiculous. Fortunately, it will NEVER happen.
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Fri Feb-22-08 08:12 AM
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24. I agree, it's handing the election to the GOP |
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Actually, the sooner we have a nominee now the better.
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Sat Feb-23-08 02:16 PM
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27. Well our forebearers always managed to handle it. |
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Guess we are lamer then them?
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Fri Feb-22-08 01:21 AM
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2. You are just so sure Barack is going to screw it up that |
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you want Hillary waiting in the wings to save us? :eyes: Say it isn't so.
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Fri Feb-22-08 01:22 AM
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4. Are you suggesting Hillary try to go after Obama's pledged delegates? |
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Fri Feb-22-08 01:24 AM
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6. She'll have NO MONEY. Hate to be the one to tell you that. |
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Fri Feb-22-08 05:04 AM
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15. She won't have to do much except keep visiting various cities and |
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towns, talking to people and continuing her campaign in a more leisurely manner.
She could give speeches hither and thither, talking about issues but not necessarily putting herself forward as a candidate.
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Fri Feb-22-08 05:07 AM
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16. in the last 90 days before the general election? |
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In 90 days she's be hard pressed to make it out of Texas.
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anamandujano
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Fri Feb-22-08 05:16 AM
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19. I'm talking about the time before the convention. |
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I'd say finish the all the primaries even if she's behind the count on delegates.
I read here at DU that the Rezko trial is starting at the end of this month. She should absolutely stay in the race until then and a few weeks after.
She should finish the primary season, no matter what the MSM or Obama says. They have wanted her to drop out for a long time, something to do with Faux Big Mo.
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Fri Feb-22-08 05:22 AM
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22. She's be a laughing stock . A traveling joke. |
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Once someone is done, they're done. She's not there yet, but if she loses TX or Ohio, it's over.
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Fri Feb-22-08 01:26 AM
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7. Yes, the delegates can "vote their conscience" but that is a technicality |
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Remember the convention is in August, If we don't start a GE campaign before that then McCain has a huge advantage. He has already started his GE speeches.
We need this to end no later than the first part of June. April would be better and March 5th would be better still. (most were planning on Feb. 6th, so a one month set back isn't that bad).
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Fri Feb-22-08 04:59 AM
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14. Yeah it looks like McCain is off to a really good start. Ahem, |
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while you make some very good points, and I would pretty much agree with you normally, things are somewhat different this time around.
I think Bush has made the Dems job a little easier as far as campaigning. Pretty much everyone knows they want the opposite of what's been going down in the country during his reign.
Also, hate to mention it but, ahem, Obama has a big scandal that is just about ready to blow. The delegates and party elites may just think twice before handing him the nom. As far as the people are concerned, they will most likely have some buyer's remorse as the whole thing plays out on the evening news.
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Fri Feb-22-08 01:26 AM
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8. What I'm saying is, Bottom line, if there's no concession, she is still viable |
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Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 01:27 AM by anamandujano
if necessary.
edit to add--that's a question.
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Fri Feb-22-08 01:27 AM
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Fri Feb-22-08 03:27 AM
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12. That may be more viable than people think |
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Wait and see if the sex scandal has legs.
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Fri Feb-22-08 03:25 AM
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Fri Feb-22-08 05:12 AM
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18. Hillary cannot even manage a primary campaign |
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with candidates who pretty much treated her with kid gloves. If she can't handle that, with over $100 million, then how in the hell do you think she's going to be able to handle the GE? She's run a horrible campaign, she's alienated voters with the same old same old attack politics and blustering foreign policy, she's presented the worst of the Democratic Party with big govt health care mandates; how do you think she could win?
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Fri Feb-22-08 05:19 AM
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20. Note to poster #18, sorry, whoever you are, you've been on ignore |
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Fri Feb-22-08 08:08 AM
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23. this is why people 'suspend' their campaigns rather than concede. |
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a la Edwards.
but, yes, your OP is essentially correct.
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Fri Feb-22-08 08:20 AM
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26. Yeah thats a BRILLIANT idea. |
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Ignore the will of the people. Steal the vote. Genius.
Mark Penn is that you pretending to be anamandujano on DU?
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Sat Feb-23-08 02:18 PM
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28. agreed the DNC, Hillary and the super delegates all know this |
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