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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:03 AM
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UK Guardian: "A bungled attack by Hillary Clinton ruined all her good work last night."
Somewhere in the dark wilderness of Texas, a car door is being opened and the lifeless body of whoever wrote Hillary Clinton's attack lines is being dumped in a ditch. OK, that might be a little extreme, and even the Clinton campaign isn't that tough. But metaphorically at least I wouldn't be surprised, because in her self-described "must win" state of Texas, she murdered her lines while attempting to go after Barack Obama in last night's debate.

For those who came in late, this was about Obama borrowing a phrase from an ally, and not attributing it. It should have been a simple one-day sly dig, of the sort that campaigns toss around on an hourly basis. Last night Obama rightly dismissed it as silly. But the Clinton campaign wanted to make a meal of it - and in the middle of last night's debate, when the subject came up, Hillary pulled the trigger, saying: "Lifting whole passages from someone else's speeches is not change you can believe in, it's change you can Xerox."

At which point the crowd booed her - the only such display of the night. But instead of cutting her losses and leaving it, she ploughed on, and even told Obama to "look at the YouTube of these videos". Xerox? The YouTube of these videos? Anyone under the age of, oh, 30 would have found all of that amusing, reminiscent of Ted Stevens' "series of tubes". It smacked of both confection and confusion, a desperate hunt for a "Where's the beef?" moment.

It was reported yesterday that the Clinton campaign spent $1,300 on donuts last month. Maybe the speechwriters were hyperglycemic when they came up with that one.

Up until that point Clinton had been performing well, as she usually does in these debates. Obama began this election cycle as a weak debater. But either through practice - this was the 19th debate between the Democratic candidates - or instruction, Obama has improved substantially, and last night was his most assured performance. He was focused and detailed, inserting the anecdotes and illustrations to compliment his policy proposals - and there was plenty of detail, especially on healthcare. He looked and sounded - sorry, but there is no other word for it - presidential.

Obama responded to Clinton's accusations that he's "just talk" with dexterity, asking if all the people supporting him had somehow been delusional and duped. That got a laugh and a cheer - another sign the audience was behind him. Obama's smartest move in this debate may have been his careful emphasis on issues appealing to Latinos, especially in backing citizenship for the children of immigrants, a huge issue in Texas.

But this debate was an illustration in miniature of the arc of the Democratic primary campaign. A polished performance by Clinton was marred by an over-rehearsed and inept delivery when it counted. And she wouldn't change tack, even when the crowd was booing. Instead there was more talk of her experience, an argument that appears to have long since lost its lustre. Yet - as she has several times - Clinton showed hints of what could have been a different approach. But it came too late, at the end of this debate, when she gave an inspiring peroration and sparked a standing ovation:

"No matter what happens in this contest - and I am honoured, I am honoured to be here with Barack Obama. I am absolutely honoured. Whatever happens, we're going to be fine. You know, we have strong support from our families and our friends. I just hope that we'll be able to say the same thing about the American people, and that's what this election should be about."

Normally, an ovation would be a good sign for the candidate who had just spoken. But read Clinton's words - they carry the scent of a valedictory address. Time is running out. Perhaps the audience in Texas got to its feet not in acclaim but in farewell.


http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/richard_adams/2008/02/death_by_xerox.html
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:06 AM
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1. K & R n/t
:kick:
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:08 AM
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2. She has run a totally inept campaign
it's a shame that she is going out this way.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:10 AM
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6. But, look at how she started..
We knew here in New York when she voted for the IWR that she was going to run for pres.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:32 AM
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15. this is true.
I think I need to bring back my Koolaid guy. Daughter #2, the photoshop genie is coming next Saturday, I'll have her whip up something speshul. :hi:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:09 AM
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3. Wow! That was an interesting analysis..
they seemed to like Obama okay.
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LadyVT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:09 AM
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4. I don't live in the UK
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:11 AM
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7. Which is why this analysis is very objective and unbiased....
...they have no dog in the hunt.

This opinion carries more weight, because there's no spinning going on.


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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:20 AM
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24. Not really
Just because someone is not a US citizen doesn't mean they don't have their own opinion.

Back in the 1980s I met many Americans who loved Margaret Thatcher.

Most Europeans wanted Gore to win in 2000 and Kerry in 2004.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:23 AM
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32. At one point Brits favored Clinton.
Don't have the link but there was a report of a poll showing that all of the EU preferred Obama, except the UK, which preferred Clinton. Our next president will have their work cut out for them to begin to rebuild the high esteem and affection that most of the world had for the US and Americans, pre-W.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:10 AM
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5. I think the ovation was because the debate had just ended.
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:11 AM
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8. or maybe they believed that she was conceding, to my ears it almost sounded like
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 02:12 AM by Bodhi BloodWave
something you say when you prepare to step aside :silly:
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:12 AM
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10. I agree with you and the article in the OP....
...the applause was because the audience detected there was the beginnings of a graceful exit in there.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:43 AM
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18. Yep, the audience knew that was the last question of the night
Of course some people will refuse to acknowledge that.


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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:43 AM
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34. Ack, it wasn't an ovation for Clinton...
the moderators did not have the usual formal goodbyes and thankyous to officially end the debate - after Hillary's part was done.
They only signaled the end and That is why, after a few seconds of applause, they all stood up - to cheer for the debate as a whole.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:12 AM
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9. See, the British get it...
:D
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:13 AM
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11. And the U.S.S. Hillary
goes down with bands playing and flags flying. It was magnificent. But now we have to somehow save the country if it's not too late.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:14 AM
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12. I bet the xerox line came from James Carville.
Its the kind of zinger he would come up with. Bill could get away with those lines because he did it with a smile and still came off as likable. Hillary can't pull that off.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:39 AM
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17. He had that tone of gentle ribbing in almost everything he said
With Hillary it sort of came out of nowhere and was just like "ROWR!"
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:29 AM
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33. Hillary Clinton tends to the harsh tone of a pissed off nun
At least as I recall some of my old style, whack their hands with the ruler, Catholic school nun/teachers. There were some really sweet nuns and then others who had the coldest, meanest eyes.

Senator Clinton easily slips in to this righteous lecturing: I'll tell you how it is and don't you dare defy me by disagreeing. It makes her appear very unapproachable. That attitude evidently also is used on her staff, which is why they reported being afraid to bring her any bad news.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:14 AM
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13. priceless
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:15 AM
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14. I think this is the correct interpretation...
"Perhaps the audience in Texas got to its feet not in acclaim but in farewell."

She did go through a lot. I alternate between being mad at her and feeling bad for her. Sigh.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:33 AM
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16. "We're going to be fine" was for sure reassuring America that she, Hillary, can accept her impending
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 02:33 AM by WinkyDink
defeat.
No other way to read it, actually.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:22 AM
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26. With her millions of dollars and insular life, I'm sure she will**nm
**
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:53 AM
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19. The transcript to the debate - on cold, emotionless, paper - looks worse than it was in real life.
Hillary looks mean when she made that comment about Xerox and then kept trying to hammer on it.

The debates have really shown her weaknesses more than I thought they ever would.
She's a lousy debater.

His comeback for being ready "on Day 1" of being "right on Day 1" is a checkmate to her claim of experience.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:58 AM
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20. Like Frenchy said..
FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-22-08 01:33 AM
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10. It's like her answers were canned......as though he wasn't even there......
Like when, from your excerpts,
Obama stated......


"what I've been talking about is not just hope and not just inspiration; it's a $4,000 tuition credit for every student every year -- (cheers, applause) -- in exchange for national service so that college becomes more affordable. I've been talking about making sure that we change our tax code so that working families actually get relief. I have been talking about making sure that we bring an end to this war in Iraq so that we can start bringing our troops home and invest money here in the United States.(Applause.)

And so just to finish up, these are very specific, concrete, detailed proposals, many of them which I've been working on for years now. Senator Clinton has a fine record."

and Hillary responded......

"But when you look at what we face in this country, we do need to unite the country, but we have to unite it for a purpose around very specific goals. It is not enough to say, "Let's come together."

Did she even hear what he had just said?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4709594

She wasn't listening to Obama..what ever happened to the "listening tour"?
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:24 AM
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27. You could see it in her eyes all through the night...
...she was staring and smiling but her thoughts were just going round and round. I don't know why she seemed so distracted.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:59 AM
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21. K & R
:thumbsup:
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 04:31 AM
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22. K & R
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:09 AM
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23. K&R
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:20 AM
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25. K/R




Peace:thumbsup:
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:25 AM
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28. Why do I think the $1,300...
...all went down Mark Penn's throat?
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:30 AM
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29. "Somewhere in the dark wilderness of Texas, a car door is being opened and the lifeless body ..."
... of whoever wrote Hillary Clinton's attack lines is being dumped in a ditch."

Ha!! Wish I'd written that!

Funniest line of all the coverage of last night's debate!! And true!!

Outdated, wrong venue, wrong moment, clearly contrived, clearly not her line, clearly "plagiarized" from some high level wonk, and absolutely counter intuitive. A bust.
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REACTIVATED IN CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:55 AM
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31. And a trademark infringement, too !
" Photocopied " would be the correct phrase, I believe
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:28 AM
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30. kick
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:44 AM
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35. LOL, comment is free?
n/t
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:19 AM
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37. Well, words are cheap, so...
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:45 AM
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36. Maybe she can use that Xerox machine
To make copies of her concession speech.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:25 AM
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38. The Ocean Bandage comes through with the goods again!
:thumbsup:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:52 PM
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39. "Hillary lays an egg" is how the Canadian press labels it
At least on the CBC.
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:53 PM
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40. thats cuz CNN picked on her with pointed questions all night.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:10 AM
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41. Yep, it ruined it completely
What a mistake.
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