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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:04 PM
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Obama Finally Got Me!

It's taken quite a while, but I finally made the decision to jump into Obama's corner.

I had supported John Edwards, even through Super Tuesday, because Edwards had been the only candidate I saw that was addressing the issues I was most concerned about, which was the idea of reviving the American dream for the poor and the middle class. He was the only one with some real Spine!

I thought Hillary was a fine candidate, but most importantly I felt that the primary thrust of her criticisms of Barack - they he was all talk and little action - hadn't been successfully rebutted.

Now they have been.

I've had my problems and concerns with Obama, and I've thought that the petty territorial pissing contest between he and Hillary was just plain wretched.

However, some of this argument has been important and illustrative.

Obama supporters have been livid at the Clinton campaign for it's various critiques of their candidate. People said they were "playing the race" card (a charge which I take very seriously as a Black Man Myself) but I always felt that it was a completely fair criticism to point out that their is often a difference between the person who may inspire progress and the person who may best implement that progress.

This was the MLK v LBJ argument. A lot of people were offended by what they saw as diminishing MLK's importance, but the simple fact is he didn't do it alone. The Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act and the Public Accommodations Acts would not have made it through Congress if not for a skilled legislator like LBJ twisting arms and glad-handing, pushing, pulling, cajoling and being a tough negotiator for change.

MLK was vitally important to the Civil Rights Movement, but so was LBJ and so was JFK.

CLINTON: But there are differences between us. And I think, in our efforts to draw those contrasts and comparisons, we obviously try to let voters know how we see the world differently.

And I do offer solutions. That's what I believe in and what I have done. And it's what I offer to voters because it's part of my life, over the last 35 years, working to get kids health care, working to expand legal services for the poor, working to register voters, working to make a difference. Because I think that this country has given me so much.

And there are differences between our records and our accomplishments. I have to confess, I was somewhat amused, the other night, when, on one of the TV shows, one of Senator Obama's supporters couldn't.

So I know that there are comparisons and contrasts to be drawn between us. And it's important that voters get that information. So, yes, I do think that words are important and words matter, but actions speak louder than words.

Hillary has given up on trying to out inspire Obama, that ain't gonna happen - but even until today she hasn't given up on the idea that she is a better fighter than Obama, that she knows better how hard the other side will punch back (because she's gotten pummeled before) and what it's going to take to IMPLEMENT Change.

Yes, it may be true that progress doesn't happen at all if you don't have inspiration and that if you don't have Hope then you can't make positive change at all, but what we really need are both. Inspiration and Implementation.

If Obama has had any weakness in my mind - this is it. It's going to take more than just happy talk to get the difficult things we need done through Congress. We need more than just Hope Alone, We're also going to need someone who is also can effectively Implement the things that we Hope for.

I think Barack did a great job of answering this criticism.

OBAMA: Well, I think actions do speak louder than words, which is why over the 20 years of my public service I have acted a lot to provide health care to people who didn't have it, to provide tax breaks to families that needed it, to reform a criminal justice system that had resulted in wrongful convictions, to open up our government and to pass the toughest ethics reform legislation since Watergate, to make sure that we create transparency...

(APPLAUSE)

... to make sure that we create transparency in our government so that we know where federal spending is going and it's not going to a bunch of boondoggles and earmarks that are wasting taxpayer money that could be spent on things like early childhood education.

You know, I think if you talk to those wounded warriors at Walter Reed who, prior to me getting to the Senate, were having to pay for their meals and have to pay for their phone calls to their family while they're recovering from amputations, I think they've said that I've engaged not just in talk, but in action.

So yes, Obama is not just all hat. - he's not just all talk.

He's DONE. STUFF.

And so has Hillary Clinton, but now that that's settled what else is there?

Well, there are some differences in their policies particularly on Health Care and that had a vigorous discussion of that topic - but it's also true that we all know that any election time proposals are going to be completely different by the time the get through the sausage factory of Congress. Nice to see they are both so well versed with the issue, but this isn't a make or break issue for me.

I don't simply want just another place holder in the White House with a (D) by their name. The massive corruption and malfeasance of the Bush Administration is going to take literally decades to clean up and correct. Our international prestige, our integrity, our national infrastructure, our national debt, our trade deficit, our economy and our armed forces have been left in tatters by this Administration.

We've got some serious heavy lifting in front of us.

What Barack showed last night was that he's been able to Implement as much and as well as anyone, and Hillary has made it clear that she's willing and able to FIGHT hard - and even somewhat dirty - to get what she feels will help the American people.

The point where Barack finally got me was when he finally explained why his approach and strategy is critically different from everyone else in the political plain...

OBAMA: Now, I think that Senator Clinton has a fine record and I don't want to denigrate that record. I do think there is a fundamental difference between us in terms of how change comes about. Senator Clinton of late has said: Let's get real. The implication is that the people who've been voting for me or involved in my campaign are somehow delusional.

(LAUGHTER)

And that, you know, the 20 million people who've been paying attention to 19 debates and the editorial boards all across the country at newspapers who have given me endorsements, including every major newspaper here in the state of Texas.

(APPLAUSE)

OBAMA: You know, the thinking is that somehow, they're being duped, and eventually they're going to see the reality of things.

Well, I think they perceive reality of what's going on in Washington very clearly. What they see is that if we don't bring the country together, stop the endless bickering, actually focus on solutions and reduce the special interests that have dominated Washington, then we will not get anything done. And the reason that this campaign has done so well...

(APPLAUSE)

The reason that this campaign has done so well is because people understand that it is not just a matter of putting forward policy positions.

OBAMA: Senator Clinton and I share a lot of policy positions. But if we can't inspire the American people to get involved in their government and if we can't inspire them to go beyond the racial divisions and the religious divisions and the regional divisions that have plagued our politics for so long, then we will continue to see the kind of gridlock and nonperformance in Washington that is resulting in families suffering in very real ways.

I'm running for president to start doing something about that suffering, and so are the people who are behind my campaign.

Barack is arguing not for what he can do personally - he's arguing for what he can INSPIRE US TO DO.

What he's clearly saying here is that the American People have to have hope and faith in the political process once again, and that once they do the American people have far more power and influence than any corporate lobbyists can have.

OBAMA: The problem we have is that Washington has become a place where good ideas go to die. They go to die because the lobbyists...

(APPLAUSE)

They go to die because lobbyists and special interests have a strangle-hold on the agenda in Washington. They go to die in Washington because too many politicians are interested in scoring political points rather than bridging differences in order to get things done.

And so the central premise of this campaign is that we can bring this country together, that we can push against the special interests that have come to dominate the agenda in Washington, that we can be straight with the American people about how we're going to solve these problems and enlist them in taking back their government.

When John Kerry called on Dailykos to help him Filibuster Judge Alito - we answered the call. Alito eventually defeated the filibuster, but the point is that when Kerry originally brought it up he was standing virtually alone. After he called for our help, and we started to bombard Congress with support for Kerry's stance - we changed things. The votes started to flip within a day or two, what seemed impossible suddenly because plausible - then it was possible, then it happened.

And We Did it. Kerry inspired Us, he asked Us to Fight, and We Stood up.

It finally occurred to me that this is what we need. We The People need to push back against the cynicism, push back against the defeatism, push back against the pacifism, push back against the entrenched interests who depend on our non-participation.

We The People need to take control of our nation back.

Hillary is asking that we place our trust in her, Barack is asking that we place our trust IN US.

This is the Change that he's talking about, and let's just think about what that might mean in the long term future.

From Kos today.

Watching Obama build his incredible ground operation across the country, I can't help but hope that this newly built infrastructure stays in place through November.

We must build long term, in every state, toward a solid future progressive majority.

We can help down-ticket races, even in states where our presidential nominee won't likely win.

And we need to run up the popular vote.

Here's the thing, that infrastructure has to become Permanent. The thing about Barack is that he's not just asking for us to vote for him, his vision also includes those down-ticket races in the House and Senate where various candidates - both Democrat and Republican - will begin to be judged on whether or not they on Barack's Team or not, whether they are likely to help America move for - or be a Road Block.

Kos Again...

On that last count, LBJ was the last Democrat to win his election by more than 50.1 percent of the vote. Bill Clinton never even broke 50 percent. So it's hard to argue you're a national party when we've been unable to notch a solid national presidential victory in 44 years.

So I want a presidential candidate who won't just fight for every electoral vote in the swing states, and who won't just create new swing states like Virginia, Colorado, Montana and -- can we dream? -- Texas.

I want a presidential candidate who will eat into GOP popular vote advantages everywhere, even in states like Idaho and Alabama, helping cut into the GOP's vote tally. We must mobilize Democrats everywhere, in every state in our nation, to deliver the most dominant Democratic margin of victory in half a century.

Imagine if we begin to turn a significant number of the Red States, Purple? Imagine if we finally start to Drink the GOP's Milkshake?

The issue of "Implementation" becomes almost moot.

If that is what we truly want to do, if this is the direction that we want to go then Hillary Clinton - wonderful pit-fighter though she may be - is not the candidate for the Democratic party, and not the candidate for America.

Barack Obama is.

Vyan

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:08 PM
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1. Yay! Obama really has improved in the debates, and he has
Hillary to thank. Actually, both Clintons have forced him to hone his message and that's turned out to be a good thing, as much as it's annoyed me when it was happening.

I always thought the man had lots to offer, still do, and am glad you see it, too!

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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:26 PM
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9. You're right again!!! Even Obama said after he lost New Hampshire
that he would be better if he had to fight for it instead of cruising into it.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:34 PM
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13. I think that in retrospect
losing NH may have been one of the best things to happen to Obama and his campaign.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:17 AM
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62. I heartily agree...
He did well enough in NH and NV to keep his supporters energized, but his narrow losses meant that his campaign didn't get carried away on a wave of giddy euphoria that could have ended with getting dumped painfully on the beach.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:56 PM
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42. And boy has he had
to fight but, as we know..makin' him stronger and us, too!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:40 PM
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23. Me, too ---
I watched most of the debate last night ---
though I don't think I learned anything new about either candidate's positions . . .
I knew I would not vote for Hillary ---

but, I think I can begin to think about voting for Obama ---



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pauldg0 Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 02:19 AM
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59. This guy is a plant.....
...to get Edwards people/delegates over....what a joke.
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CarbonDate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:30 AM
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72. The guy's been a member since May 2005.
He has a blog with posts dating back to 2004, which you're free to peruse at your leisure. You're saying that's all been an elaborate ruse since 2004 so he can finally post on Democratic Underground to endorse Barack Obama for President in 2008?

:eyes:
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pauldg0 Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 12:03 AM
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78. My friend the Democratic party is splintered, fractured and just a mess....
...I came over to this party because I was looking for hope, and not the empty hope Obama talks about. He has a great speech that is empty and has little substance.

You know, you can talk about your experience or the referenced writers' experience in this blog, but I have been around for many years too. I don't care if he has a million posts, I feel there are two stooges in there with republican ideals that are not representing your party as it should be represented.

Is he a plant? Yes...he's a plant. He was planted where the sun won't shine in my opionion. He puts his pants on like I do.

I am pulling myself back. I am confused. I need insurance. I worked hard as an engineer for 30-years and have just about lost it all because of this Repuk economy and now we're possibly getting two candidates who are bought out by the Republican Party elements of large corporations.....your all brainwashed and Obama is one of the sleaziest I have seen. Hillary is not far behind, but at least her insurance plan is better.

So, my friend if you want to lallygag along with him so that you all can support empty rhetoric politics, go ahead. But now your party is an absolute mess. It is really kind of chaotic!! Maybe Gore can come in and save all of you...I just do not know.

For years I have been telling my family (a bunch of republicans) about this guy John Edwards, who can finally straighten out this country and for sure this State of Michigan which is in a Depression. My elderly father, who has been a stubborn Republican for years finally saw John Edwards dismantle both of those stooges in his last debate (I call it the Bickering Debate). They are now your stooges. My God, he thought he (Edwards) was the only one that said anything important. I couldn't believe it. Since my dad is the Patriarch he has convinced the whole family to start liking him. That was 6-weeks ago and you know what has happened since then.

Friends, many Republicans hopping over like I did have been betrayed too. This part of the United States has hundreds of thousand of professionals and lower level managers out of work because we've been bought out by the likes of George Bush, Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama and Big Money Corporations.

You know, you can say now lets get together and be one as we are supposed to, but sorry, in this case I won't. I guess that is why Edwards people are still standing alone.

What's next...I do not know.....................
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:12 PM
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2. K&R, excellent analysis !
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:14 PM
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3. Wonderful post
I think you have laid out well what a lot of Obama supporters have been excited about for a long time.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:14 PM
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4. Wow, you just described it all from my point of view.
Glad to be on your team. Its not the candidate that will do the work. Its the people who support them. Thats what leadership is and thats what we need right now.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:19 PM
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5. Welcome aboard.
I was originally a Kucinich man, then when he dropped out, I switched to Edwards, then he dropped out before Super Tuesday, so I went for Obama.

And you know what, Obama's probably one of the most promising guys I've seen.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:20 PM
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6. Welcome!
I am so happy with his debate performance last night and the campaign he has run.

Gobama!!!
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:23 PM
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7. What a wonderful endorsement
Welcome :toast:
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MoJoWorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:24 PM
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8. Who has fought for EVERY vote in EVERY state? Not HIllary.
You want a fighter---Obama is that fighter. He just goes about it in such a way that you don't even realize that he is fighting-- outmaneuvering her at every turn.
It has been a magnificient thing to watch.

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:27 PM
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10. Welcome!!
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:30 PM
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11. "We are the change we have been waiting for" That comment seems to strike so many
as an arrogant, egotistical comment. But what I think he's truly saying is not "we", as in he and Michelle, but "WE" as in WE THE PEOPLE. Anyway, that quote has stood out as very empowering to me, and a big reason why I'm leaning Obama.

Anyway, excellent post and analysis. hi:
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I Vote In Pittsburgh Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:46 PM
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Yes, that is what he was saying
I didn't even think of the "Obama and Michelle" interpretation.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:15 PM
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27. Plenty of DUers have commented on how egotistical that quote is. I think they
actually believe he means only himself and Michelle or his staff or whatever.
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:34 PM
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21. That comes from a . . .
. . . I believe Hopi prophesy that ends: We are the one's we've been waiting for." Wise words indeed.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:10 AM
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67. Excellent line. Kucinich coined it in 2004.
I first heard him say it in Iowa. Raised the roof.

No beef from me on this, btw. I voted Obama in the primaries, and besides, that line is too good to hoard. Truth is truth.

The cavalry is already here. You'll find them in your bathroom mirror.

:toast:
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sloppyjoe25s Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:31 PM
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12. Welcome aboard - I'm glad...
I'm glad that those particular items resonated and finally convinced you.

As a LOOOOOoooooooonnnnnnngggggg time Obama supporter (i've been running a pro-Obama website since Long long long before he was
even IN the presidential race) - I am sometimes frustrated at the "no substance" bleme. (tho i actually embrace and laugh at "cult bleme".

But I have felt like Barack has made real strides - particularly in the debates where his performance at first was
not so strong, to the point now where i feel he really gains in each and every debate.

I've seen him working to build this national organization - and this infrastructure - and this fundraising machinery - and this
message that DOES appeal to so many people for a long time. I've been convinced he IS building something permanent, and incredibly valuable to our future efforts all along. In some ways - he is really building the future of the Democratic Party.

When I campaigned here in Albuquerque - I met a Clinton supporter waiving his sign at a polling place like me. He said to me - "I think Obama is central to the future of the Democratic Party." He was still hoping for a Clinton win - but he chairs a local Democratic voters club - and he said "You know, we realy need some younger people involved. Some 30 somethings and 40 somethings - because practically everybody in the club is over 50 - and almost everyone WHO IS ACTIVE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY in New Mexico is over 50. We desperatly need youth, energy and vigor in this party."

I was blown away to hear this comming from an ardent Clinton supporter. It spoke volumes. I imagine the same may be true in many other states.

Obama is crafting - quite ingeniously - a "new working majority". I think he is sober that this is NOT an easy task - and that HE cannot do it ALONE. Clinton was gracious in not attacking indescriminately in the debate last night. At least in part, I believe, because SHE HAS COME TO RECOGNIZE that Obama is truly someone special, and someone critical to the future of the Party - No Matter who wins the nomination. SHE has seen his SUBSTANCE, and her heart is frankly "not in it" when it comes to trying to beat him down as "just an orator".

But as you say - he is DOING it, and more importantly - HE is bringing in litterally DROVES of new people - people who have NEVER done ANYTHING political in their lives - and making them CARE about their government and what happens again.

I am delighted to have you on board - and part of what is TRULY a movement. Please consider making even a small donation or getting involved in the effort in some way.

I call Texas every night - have been for past 2 weeks - for the Obama campaign. It's alot of fun, and quite rewarding personally. Plus it reinforces my STRONG BELIEF that it is only OUR ENERGY, SWEAT, AND ENDURANCE that can and will change this country.

"block by block, brick by brick, caloused hand by caloused hand"
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:08 PM
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45. Wow, your post is enlightening,
too! Thanks for all the good work, sloppyjoe!
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Kaylee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:34 PM
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14. Wonderful post....
this is exactly why I'm behind Obama. K&R
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:36 PM
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15. Great post Vyan
The quotes you boldfaced are indeed the main reason that Obama's uplifting and hopeful words may lead to a new reality we so sorely need.
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mculator Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:38 PM
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16. Not me.
I can't vote socialist, so Hillary will have to do. Also I'm voting for her based on my belief that she'll be better in the executive process. Obama may be better at the political game, but if isn't good with paper, he can't be as good of an officer. Also, since you're imagining chipping away at the repukes, I just have to say that left is an inevitability. We've been moving left since feudalism and it won't stop any time soon. Save the transformational leaders for transformational times. This is a transactional time, we need someone to "undo" the last 8 years, and that's exactly what the Clintons have already proven they can do. Why bet on Barack when he will get less done in more time?
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cameozalaznick Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:41 PM
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38. But he's executed a much better campaign
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 06:41 PM by cameozalaznick
mculator wrote:

Not me...

I can't vote socialist, so Hillary will have to do. Also I'm voting for her based on my belief that she'll be better in the executive process. Obama may be better at the political game, but if isn't good with paper, he can't be as good of an officer. Also, since you're imagining chipping away at the repukes, I just have to say that left is an inevitability. We've been moving left since feudalism and it won't stop any time soon. Save the transformational leaders for transformational times. This is a transactional time, we need someone to "undo" the last 8 years, and that's exactly what the Clintons have already proven they can do. Why bet on Barack when he will get less done in more time?


At the end of January Clinton was broke. By the end of February she's behind. So who's better organized. Who's the better Executive?
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:13 AM
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69. What you say should be very much paid attention too
She has run a very bad campaign, what kind of signal is that to the kind of administration she'd run.
Welcome to DU :hi:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:40 PM
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17. Great Post -- My feelings exactly
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:46 PM
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18. Yes WE Can! Welcome to Team Obama - Excellent post!
:headbang: :yourock: :headbang:
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:54 PM
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19. Obama could make one more improvement: instead of "special interests"
he could start saying "corporations and super-rich people."
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:00 PM
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36. NO.
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 06:04 PM by woolldog
That would alienate Republicans, who might otherwise vote for him. It would make him seem anti-capitalistic.

Instead he uses "special interests" because that makes him pro-democracy (and in favor of a pure democratic process). And what American wouldn't like that? It would be positively unamerican to be against the democratic process.

Big difference.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:12 PM
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20. This is similar to how he got me on his team
I tell people that it's the "We" in "Yes We Can" that inspires me. It assumed that "We the people" must be part of the solution in fixing our country. It's not a matter of waiting for someone to come along and save us. It's a matter of "We the people" partnering with the government to help save our country.

Obama's friend (and my Governor) Deval Patrick ran his campaign in 2006 on very similar themes. His slogan was "Together We Can". It was very much a grassroots-driven campaign, and it was very successful. He won by a huge margin.

Since Governor Patrick has been in office, he has faced some serious challenges to accomplishing his agenda, mostly because of entrenched interests in the Legislature who don't want to give up any of their power & influence. And Obama would face similar challenges from Congress and corporations if he becomes President. But if we take back the power that he says is really ours, then "We the people" will be a tremendous force to be reckoned with. Perhaps we can make the corporations and special interests quake in their shoes for once.
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:38 PM
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22. Tnx, K&R n/t
:kick:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:42 PM
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24. Very well put and it mirrors my journey as well
It kind of takes time to understand that his 'Aloha Spirit' strategy is actually a well thought out strategy
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:54 PM
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25. Vyan, your reasons are my reasons...
Thanks for giving us a glimpse of your decision-making process.

I also wanted to make sure you had seen this (I think you would enjoy it):
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=95715&mesg_id=95715
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:55 PM
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26. Great post, Vyan
And glad to have ya! (Slaps on the back)

I'm an Obama donor, and I've canvassed for Barack in NYC and Los Angeles - The biggest point I've brought up to young, first-timers is that we are in a battle for the survival of the middle class - It started when Reagan took office, and is now FINALLY spilling out into the open.

(Think Star Wars... The baddies have had control for a while now, with Obi-Wan and Yoda hiding out, fearful of conflict)

In the middle are all the people living their sub-standard lives. There's a small rebellion, but it desperately needs someone OTHER than princess Leia. It needs someone who makes the people want to fight back. Someone who can rally troops by his confidence and natural leadership ability.

Someone who is STRONG IN THE FORCE, who can get the rebellion back on its feet.

Glad to see you've realized, as I did, even as I crossed over from the Kucinich-camp, that Barack is the closest thing we have to a Skywalker. Hill makes a good Leia though.

Now he just has to make this thing official by choosing a Han Solo, and we're off to replace the two Siths in the white house.

Si Se Puede!
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:24 PM
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28. Refreshing
Obama's strength is the America.
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:16 PM
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29. Once Edwards was out, I was on the Obama team. Now I'm convinced he is the leadership
we need. He gets it. People are mad as hell, and change is in the wind.
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Araxen Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:32 PM
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30. POTD
Post of the Day
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:34 PM
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31. Excellent post!
Welcome aboard! :D
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COFoothills Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:44 PM
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32. Very well stated....
...You have stated your case very well and I think your reasoning is very similar to many around here, including myself.

Good on you.
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Araxen Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 04:25 PM
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33. Kick!
:kick:
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 04:30 PM
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34. what you said.
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dog_lovin_dem Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:50 PM
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35. Beautifully written,
well thought out post. Thank you!
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Psst_Im_Not_Here Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:28 PM
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37. "Hillary is asking that we place our trust in her, ...
Barack is asking that we place our trust IN US."

Best line in the whole edorsement! As a former Edwards supporter, I say welcome!
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cameozalaznick Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:45 PM
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39. K&R
:kick: K&R all the way to the top
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:05 PM
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40. I'm So Glad He Got You!
Now "we" got you and "we" are MOVING FORWARD. :thumbsup: :hi:
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think4yourself Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:25 PM
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41. Excellent analysis!
You really have a gift with words. These are my reasons for supporting him too. It's always been about ALL of us. At this juncture, we need to rally EVERYONE together to get this country back on track. This is an exciting time for America. I share Michelle Obama's sentiment about feeling proud for once.

Peace to DU.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:02 PM
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43. Great essay my friend. It does just go on like a light bulb n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:04 PM
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44. Awesome account of how
your support of Obama has come about, Vyan! Thanks for all the info and

and this.." The point where Barack finally got me was when he finally explained why his approach and strategy is critically different from everyone else in the political plain...

OBAMA: Now, I think that Senator Clinton has a fine record and I don't want to denigrate that record. I do think there is a fundamental difference between us in terms of how change comes about. Senator Clinton of late has said: Let's get real. The implication is that the people who've been voting for me or involved in my campaign are somehow delusional.

(LAUGHTER)

And that, you know, the 20 million people who've been paying attention to 19 debates and the editorial boards all across the country at newspapers who have given me endorsements, including every major newspaper here in the state of Texas.

(APPLAUSE)

OBAMA: You know, the thinking is that somehow, they're being duped, and eventually they're going to see the reality of things.

Well, I think they perceive reality of what's going on in Washington very clearly. What they see is that if we don't bring the country together, stop the endless bickering, actually focus on solutions and reduce the special interests that have dominated Washington, then we will not get anything done. And the reason that this campaign has done so well...

(APPLAUSE)

The reason that this campaign has done so well is because people understand that it is not just a matter of putting forward policy positions.

OBAMA: Senator Clinton and I share a lot of policy positions. But if we can't inspire the American people to get involved in their government and if we can't inspire them to go beyond the racial divisions and the religious divisions and the regional divisions that have plagued our politics for so long, then we will continue to see the kind of gridlock and nonperformance in Washington that is resulting in families suffering in very real ways.

I'm running for president to start doing something about that suffering, and so are the people who are behind my campaign."


I think this is brilliant for him to be able to get this across in the Texas Debate!


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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:20 PM
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46. WELCOME!
I came from the Edwards side too, glad you made the jump to Obama! :-)
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:17 PM
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47. OUTSTANDING Post....and this Washington State Obama delegate...
...welcomes you into the light.

Peace, Vyan.
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List left Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:54 PM
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48. Nice!
Thank you for this lucid analysis. I to believe that only if we work together can we sort out the mess we are in and Obama has a rare gift to be able to inspire people and the integrity to follow through. And imagine having the support of Michelle as first lady. America really needs heart which they both have in abundence.




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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:20 AM
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49. i swear...even reading those bold words gets me verklempt...
its not the messenger - its the message and the belief that the messenger has the ability to accomplish those ideas.

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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:21 AM
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50. Excellent choice!
Excellent post too
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LadyVT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:22 AM
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51. Question: are Obama supporters "involved in govt," or are they just voting?
He has loads of enthusiastic support, but support doesn't translate into "getting involved in government." I would love to see massive groups of Obama supporters starting nonprofits together, raising as much money as they have for his candidacy to feed the hungry in Appalachia, and so on.
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:10 AM
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57. My wife RUNS a non-profit...
Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 01:11 AM by Barrymores Ghost
...I work in Higher Ed, as I have for 20 years. I'm a veteran. I'm an Obama delegate. I'm a community activist. I give 10% of my earnings to environmental and other concerns.

Do my bonafides meet your f*cking expectations yet, fool???

(edited to placate those with an aversion to blue f*cking language)
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CarbonDate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:47 AM
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73. Well, he's not President yet.
First things first. But I can understand getting ahead of ourselves.
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dicknbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:28 AM
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52. OH MY GOD....I JUST FIGURED IT OUT THE OBOMANABLES ARE REALLY A REMAKE OF THE MOVIE...
"THE DAY OF THE TRIFFIDS"

VERY SCARRY VERY SCARRY INDEED. Well Obamanable may win but I will never vote for him. You are in a cult and I ask again where were all these committed and fervent politicos when John Kerry needed you. If you sat out the election in 2004 because you didn't like the candidates knowing that you were allowing a war criminall to continue to run the country then the blood of every soldier killed since 2004 is on your "AMERICAN IDOL PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN' You are fools and Obamanables reign over the government is going to be a hugh fiasco. You will see. For me I am done with politics when we have year after year of stupid americans getting on these idiotic band wagons that have nothing to do with substance but every thing to do with popularity contests grow up america!
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:06 AM
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54. BYE, Freak... N/T
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:07 AM
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56. When W finishes selling all the gold for pennies on the dollar
to his buddies. Yes things are going to be a hugh fiasco. We don't think Obama can save us, he's inspiring us to take things into our hands to save ourselves.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:07 AM
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61. A Hugh Fiasco
Hugh? Hugh? Oh Hugh we need more wisdom. WTF? Scarry? Go back to school dipshit. You stink.
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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:19 AM
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63. Back away from the bong.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:11 AM
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68. "grow up america!"
Ah.

Irony.
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:50 PM
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77. Ok Hilly-Billy

Ok Hilly-Billy. Don't you realize that Hillary Supporters are just a bunch of cultists. A bunch of party machine, Clinton-stamped zombies. You believe that Hillary should be the candidate because Faux News has told you over and over that it was inevitable.

Please, your logic and tactics are ridiculous.

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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:50 AM
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53. And, your analysis got me, Vyan! Thanks.
Bookmarked, and I'll be passing this on.
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:07 AM
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55. can a white guy inspire the nation to end racial division?
just wondering.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:26 AM
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64. Definitely...
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 02:30 AM
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60. Well stated**nm
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HopeforChange Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 04:15 AM
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65. This is Awesome and you are so right
He is asking us to believe in us, she is asking up to believe in her.
He is also counting on us to help him.

As a data processing professional I am amazed and the system he has built to allou his supporters to collaborate and communicate. He runs a well organized campaign and he is very intelligent and just keeps on learning.

I am excited about what this man can do for this country.

I have never volunteered for any campaign.

Not only am I working many hours but I am taking a week of vacation to help out here in Texas.

This is a once in a lifetime opportunity because I don't think I will see another candidate like this in my lifetime.

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BEZERKO Donating Member (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:03 AM
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66. Me too,
I'm swooning!

He's my man, come what may. I've never felt that way about a candidate before.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:26 AM
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70. Great post!
I find it sort of silly that some of the people who don't support Obama (which is fine, don't get me wrong) often argue that he is all words and no substance. I'm sure every one of those people have, at some point or another, worked for or with a really effective manager and not-so-effective manager. Really good managers often have a talent for inspiring their workers to do well. They almost always lead-by-example and bring out the best in their subordinates and peers. Then you have the managers who just sort of demand respect, and then complain when people don't want to do anything for them.

The power to lead and inspire can't really be taught. Some people do it well, others fail miserably. One thing is for certain, and I don't think you'll find any disagreement among anyone of any party. In order for the US to truly thrive and achieve its potential, we have to have leaders that not only perform themselves, but can inspire others to do the same. We can't move forward if we have a country divided along political, racial or socio-economic lines. It will take all of us to push the country forward.

Thanks for a thoughtful early-morning read. All the best to you. :)
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:28 AM
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71. Such an measured and rational endorsement.........
in other words, Excellent!

Welcome! We are the ones we have been waiting for! :hi:
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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 09:41 AM
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74. not yet
I'm not yet ready to support a candidate that does not support mandadted universal health care. for everytone.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 10:42 AM
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75. Kiddin? - Obama is to 2008 what Elvis Presley was to the 50's - the people know
a good thing when they see it and it isn't Billary.
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:40 PM
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76. Actions speak louder, I'm tested ...

In 1992, Hillary Clinton brought a sweeping proposal for a single payer health care insurance system. It would have eliminated the Insurance vampires and streamlined the insurance processing woes of Drs and hospitals by instituting a single set of forms and rules for most patients. Subsequently, the Clintons got their proverbial political teeth kicked in.

16 years later, she has completely abandoned her previous bold vision. She is tested all right. And her actions speak to the political expediency of not pissing off big money donors. Now she is TALKING about FORCING everyone to buy insurance from the VAMPIRES. She is TALKING about health insurance reform, but her only ACTION is to force you to take and ACTION that you would have accomplished yourself if it was feasible of this era of increased cost and lower wages.

What's worse, she and her husband were talking last year as to how if EVERYONE had insurance, there would not be enough doctors to provide. Now she suggests that she will force YOU to buy insurance for which by her word, there will be insufficient doctors to provide.

O'Bama has no comprehensive plan beyond extending Medicare to all children. I'd like to think of this as a "first step". But at least he isn't giving false promises and doling out political payola to the insurance companies. At least he did not vote for that vicious bankrupty bill that will soon be a devastator of lives when the credit bubble bursts.

O'Bama has had the right judgment. Hillary, like McCain, has abandoned her judgment for the sake of political ambition. I think she would do a better job than McCain. But I honestly don't believe there is much difference between the two except on abortion where Hillary peddles a mush-mouth slogan of making abortion rare. If that's your goal, you'd better be talking about sex ed and birth control.

Hillary has bad experience as a legislator and no experience as an executive. Same goes for McCain and O'Bama for that matter. Her mantra seems to be that she was in the White House while her husband is President, therefore she is more qualified. Why doesn't Nancy Reagan run on the same platform? All three candidates DO have the typical credentials to hold the office. Only one seems to have good judgement ... Barak O'Bama.






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79. K & R
:thumbsup:
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