Both Hillary and Barack are far more gracious than some of their supporters.

[yardwork]

When I get discouraged with the inane crap that gets spewn around here, I go to other places on the internet(s) and do something new and different - I read what the actual candidates have to say.

My conclusion: I prefer Hillary and Barack to many of their so-called supporters on this board. Both Barack and Hillary are actually polite to one another. They use sentences without obscenities. I don't think either one of them has ever said anything really nasty about the other one.

Both Hillary and Barack seem like fairly reasonable, kind individuals, even though they *are* politicians. I recommend checking them out sometime.

[Radical Activist]

1. Of course.

That's true with almost every campaign at any level. People who act like petty assholes don't stay in office very long. It happens but not that often.

[yardwork]

2. Actually, most Republican politicians act like petty assholes all the time.

The Democratic Party stands for better things than the Republican Party. Our candidates stand for better things.

[Radical Activist]

49. You'd be surprised at how many people

vote for their local Republican Congressman or other office because he's a "nice guy" in person.

[jlake]

36. Bush being a glaring exception to that.

[emilyg]

3. I just read a pm from an Obama supporter

she called me ugly inside and out. I've never met this person.

[yardwork]

6. Forward the nasty PM to Skinner. It's against DU rules to send nasty PMs.

[emilyg]

20. I thought about it - have a

feeling she's young. I'll let it go. (This time).

[donheld]

33. Don't let it go

It'll only get worse.

[Marrah_G]

9. Please send that PM to Skinner- No one should have to put up with that.

[Renew Deal]

15. I wonder which genius that was.

I would love to know.

[emilyg]

23. check your in-box

[Renew Deal]

29. Thanks

It's not one of the regulars.

[jillan]

18. One has to wonder what that person is like in the 'real world'

to say that to another human being.

I have had my share of insults, as alot of us have.
Even when people tell me to stfu - it makes me wonder about the person who said that; and
I almost feel sad for them.


emilyg - I think you are beautiful:pals:

[emilyg]

26. Ah shucks

:loveya:

[Forkboy]

44. Out of everyone here they singled out you?

That's just nuts. :crazy:

[DemzRock]

4. This is true! n/t

[stray cat]

5. Thank goodness thats true - otherwise I would vote for McCain

if the dem candidates acted like some of their supporters. And I don't like McCain!

[MannyGoldstein]

7. "Change You Can Xerox"

How gracious.

[AtomicKitten]

8. Yahtzee.

:thumbsup:

[SammyWinstonJack]

38. "You're likable enough Hillary" How gracious.

[jenmito]

10. It would be nice of Hillary to congratulate Obama publicly on his wins. How UNgracious of her. n/t

[AtomicKitten]

12. She has difficulty even summoning basic common courtesy.

Her campaign has systematically brow-beaten everyone in the media for reporting the course of events in this election. I am so sick of this kind of game-playing she so readily turns to, and I am even more pleased that Americans are rejecting it.

[jenmito]

14. Exactly. And that's why no matter how many policies she rambles off, she won't win the

support of the majority of the people. I'm glad she most likely will NOT be the person going up against McCain.

[rodeodance]

16. well we know she was gracious last night. Such whining!

[ronnykmarshall]

21. I have that person on ignore

Fitting for them to spew in this thread.

[jenmito]

28. Only at the very end. When she realized she better try to be nice to Obama in hopes of him

offering her a position in his administration. :hi:

[AtomicKitten]

31. they remind me of when I was my son's kindergarten room-mother

Some children behave like animals and their mothers are completely oblivious, but when the child holds back and on one occasion doesn't shove another child's face completely in the dirt the mothers crow with pride.

Deja vu.

[jenmito]

32. I know what you mean. It's sad for both Hillary AND her supporters.

:hi:

[emilyg]

34. Wrong. It was reported she

approached him before the debate to greet him. Carry on.

[jenmito]

35. My original comment still stands: It would be nice of Hillary to congratulate Obama publicly on his

wins. How UNgracious of her.

[jillan]

19. She called him on the phone to congratulate him personally after Wisconsin.

Is that not good enough for you???

[AtomicKitten]

24. No, it's not. It's traditional to congratulate your opponent in a concession speech.

Do you always make excuses for bad behavior? I do believe that's called partisanship.

[Beausoir]

50. 3 Questions for you.....only 3 and they are very easy.

Do you believe you are setting a good example for your candidate?

Do you believe you are helping your candidate?

Do you believe your candidate would be proud of what you have done?

Three simple questions. Three simple answers. I KNOW you have the time to respond.

(I don't really expect you to step up to the plate and answer for your behavior, because you obviously can't. Just wanted to put it out there.)

[jenmito]

30. No. It's NOT good enough for me or many other people, either. She should've acknowledged his wins

publicly.

[GoldieAZ49]

11. Very true, same is true between the political parties

[Orsino]

13. The same could be said of any candidate. n/t

[carlotta]

17. Why are there so many sore winners here?

It's clear Obama has the nomination locked up and yet his supporters just can't seem to be able to stop kicking a dead horse. Hillary couldn't have been more gracious and magnanimous last night and yet the vile, nasty comments keep pouring out. If these people represent any good-sized portion of Obama's base, you really have to wonder about their ability to choose a leader for our country.

[ronnykmarshall]

25. HOPE!

CHANGE!

UNITY!!

[hfojvt]

22. Which is more important - being polite, or telling the truth?

Hillary graciously told a bunch of lies in her closing statement. Is it ungracious of me to be kinda peeved about that and call her on it?

[ronnykmarshall]

27. You're a perfect example.

You went in and shit on Maddy's thread and now this one.

You might want take a break from showing your ass, you might catch cold.

[hfojvt]

42. well I am the excrement

at least in my own eyes.

But again, I am simply trying to debate a thesis. I start right off though, with a statement that some people find offensive. I said that Hillary's gracious closing statement was a lie. People who disagree find that offensive, but so what? It's only REALLY offensive if it is wrong. So why not prove that it is wrong? I am certainly ready to try to prove what I said is true. But the statement "you are an a$$hole for saying that" does not prove anything without some evidence to back it up.

As far as showing my a$$. It seems that not that many people are paying attention anyway. At least if they are, they are not chiming in to either agree or disagree.

I think I am a good example though because my response to a ridiculous OP or reply is not to fling pooh, but to attempt a dialogue or discussion.

I must be in the wrong room though because I was looking for an argument and this is just contradiction, isn't it?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

37. A Bucket of Truth!

[stillcool]

39. I think it depends on your definition...

of 'nasty'.

Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET

The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
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Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
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Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused. I made unfortunate comments that do not accurately reflect my bipartisan conviction, political philosophy, or most importantly, my opinions about Senator Obama and his historic campaign for the United States presidency."

Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.
Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html

January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."

"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs

Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html

Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.

Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

[cbayer]

40. So well said.

And not at all surprising that some DU'ers would step right up and prove your point for you.

So childish. I have never seen either of these candidates behave like some people here. Thank goodness.

[KhaOZ]

41. true

[yardwork]

43. I come back to check on this thread and so many posters have proven my point...

[Forkboy]

45. That goes without saying, but there's some really cool people in both camps.

I don't expect anyone to act like an angel, just that they be fair in their jerkiness. ;)

It is too bad they get lumped in with the real smegheads though, which is usually a small but very vocal and increasingly inane group of yobbos.

[surfermaw]

46. You got that right!

[Moochy]

47. Insert Generic Appeal For Niceness

followed by copious emoticons indicating group solidarity.

Oops I farted.

[MonkeyFunk]

48. absolutely

People here think politicians take this stuff as personally as they do - that's just not how it works.