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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:53 PM
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My Two Dream Tickets...Obama/Sebelius or Obama/Feingold
Those would be two very good tickets I think. Both Kathleen Sebelius and Russ Feingold would be seen as having experience to balance the ticket with Obama (Kathleen is a Govenor and Feingold has been in the Senate for a long time). People talk about Jim Webb, but that's never going to happen because it doesn't help with the experience argument whatsoever...Webb just got there in 2006 for God's sake. Wes Clark is unlikely too given his staunch support and stumping for Hillary Clinton. Also, there's no real benefit to having him on the ticket either. He too has relatively little POLITICAL experience. And doesn't have much of a representative base.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:54 PM
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1. My dream ticket is Obama/Feingold, but Sebelius would be just as good.
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sf_331 Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:09 PM
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52. Obama/Oprah
Anything else is wrong.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:56 PM
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2. I really like Obama/Sibelius
I really think we could turn Kansas blue.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:00 PM
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50. No foreign policy experience on the ticket.
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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:56 PM
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3. Obama/Bradley is mine n/t
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:57 PM
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4. Not bad... but he needs a foreign policy guru... Richardson, Webb, Zinni, Biden.....
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:58 PM
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7. i agree. nt
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:02 PM
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8. I don't think he does...
He just needs someone who has been around longer than him in politics.
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:45 PM
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24. I think his best choice would be Richardson.
Very strong where Obama is weakest. Also a great man!
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:57 PM
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5. I think it would be wise to balance the ticket with a Governor
rather than another Senator. Of course, when Senators Kennedy and Johnson ran, that worked out rather well. :) But that might have been because of LBJ's clout in Congress. Would Russ be able to woo or cajole Senators to work for and pass Obama's legislation?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:03 PM
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11. If he needs a Governor, I think its gotta be Richardson.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:06 PM
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15. Richardson is not strong enough to make a good running mate
I believe. He's too jovial or something.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:14 PM
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22. Richardson is highly knowledgeable on the issues and in foreign policy. He'll do fine in 1 debate.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:10 PM
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19. No. Richardson's a bad debater and terrible with gay rights.
If you thought the "Donnie McObama" crap was bad now, it'll get 100 times worse if Obama picks Richardson.

If he picks a Governor it should be Napolitano or Sebelius.
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:06 PM
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16. Yes!
Save the senate seats -- our president is going to need them. I originally wanted former Virginia governot Mark Warner, but apparently he's running for the Senate. Still, he'd be my first choice, followed maybe by Vilsack (although I believe he supports HRC), and Richardson.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:57 PM
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6. Obama/Feingold would be attacked as too liberal
I would like to see him in the administration though, or perhaps on the Supreme Court.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:03 PM
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10. The Democrats will be attacked as liberal no matter who is on the ticket.
For a liberal, Feingold outpolled Kerry in Wisconsin in 2004. He's got crossover appeal.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:27 PM
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30. Yep, most, if not all, Democrats are painted as "too liberal"
by the blood-thirsty, corporate-raider Repubs. Feingold would be an excellent running mate if it is determined that we do not need someone with military experience as veep.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:02 PM
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9. Actually, Webb does have the experience...the Right kind of experience
He was Secretary of the Navy, a decorated soldier, and had a lot of experience in the Reagan Administration. He has foreign policy experience. and some say that is what Obama needs.

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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:05 PM
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12. Yea...but he's seen as a Senator now
and has LESS political clout and experience than Obama does in the Senate. Just like people ignore Obama's history in the State Senate...they would do the same to Webb and call him politically inexperienced.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:12 PM
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20. Its a lot easier to ignore somebody in the state senate than it is it to to ignore Webb's experience
I mean Webb's was on the national scene. That is why they ignore Obama's, because its viewed as the little old state senate.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:05 PM
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13. Yup, and he'd be great at telling McCain to stick it.
In debates, I'm pretty confident now Obama would take apart McCain. In the press, handling leaks and innuendo, I believe Webb would be a great asset.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:08 PM
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18. Unless Webb is going to swap places with McCain, he's not going to be DEBATING him.
He'd be debating the GOP VP nominee, someone likely who is charming and would provide a stark contrast to Jim Webb's sometimes-abrupt style.

Webb comes off as capable, not charming.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:10 PM
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25. I'd said Obama will handle McCain fine in debates.
Webb can take care of the games outside of the debates. As far as Webb debating whomever the Rep VP is, I don't think there's much to lose there.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 04:05 PM
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46. Webb can be brusque. It will depend on his opponent--IF he even gets the nod.
I don't think he's a good pick. Too many wives. Too much history. The whole campaign will be about the salacious passages in his fiction, that might not play well in flyover country. And there are still some women who didn't appreciate his position on female midshipmen at the Academy, or female servicmembers in combat and direct combat support positions. He's on tape being rather sneeringly dismissive. He can play the "I've Changed" mantra, but if he's continually saying that, responding to those issues, he's not touting an agenda.

We'll see, though.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:05 PM
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14. First one is inexperienced, second one can't stay married. Forget it. NT
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:07 PM
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17. Ummm...Sebelius is in her 2nd term as Govenor of Kansas...
She was elected in 2002 (and re-elected in 2006). Where do you get inexperience from that? Some Govenors run for President after just one term.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:13 PM
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21. She was also in the Kansas House from 1987-1995 and Insurance Commissioner.
She's got plenty of experience. Don't waste time with this one, whoever it is clearly doesn't know what they're talking about.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:14 PM
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23. No one knows who the hell she is. And no one can pronounce her name.
What does she bring to the ticket?

Kansas, and maybe the few "I will vote for any woman" voters.

Obama's MOTHER was from there. If that and the endorsement of the governor doesn't help in that state, nothing will.

I just don't see sufficient 'value-added.'

He needs someone that will give him a BIG RED state with lots of electoral votes.

All those historically red caucus states he won are going to go to the GOP in the general, no matter how much people think otherwise.

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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:19 PM
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26. People who would vote Obama won't care about silly things like names.
Maybe you can't pronounce it, and that's your problem.

She brings experience, red-state appeal, Kansas and possibly other Plains states and women's votes. He's already nearly tied with McCain in Kansas and she's a popular Governor.

As I said, I'd be happy with Feingold, Napolitano or Sebelius. All three would be excellent running mates.

"All those historically red caucus states he won are going to go to the GOP in the general, no matter how much people think otherwise."

The latest poll in Kansas disagrees with you. But keep telling yourself that - after all, you've been in denial about Clinton's losses for quite some time.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:59 PM
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45. We'll see. nt
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:53 PM
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40. Well, first of all...she's a moderate Dem who can deliver some Red States
and will be appealing in the Midwest. Secondly, most Govenors are unheard of...even sometimes by the politically-astute and aware. She's not TOTALLY unheard of either, her name has bounced around for a while now. Even in 2004 in relation to John Kerry's running mate.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:58 PM
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44. YMMV but I think he would need to be paired with someone who is KNOWN.
It is asking too much of the voters to vote for TWO unvetted and unknown quantities.

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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:21 PM
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27. I think he needs a military person do counterbalance Grandpa McBush
and the inevitable "served his country since he was 17, etc." ads which will surely be raised whether it's Barack or Hillary running.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:22 PM
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28. I love Feingold!....


But wouldn't Richardson shore up the latino vote? Just wondering...

Janet, Claire, Jim, all good

But let's get to it - Who's name goes best on a bumper sticker? (That's levity, in case someone wants to bark at me)

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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:23 PM
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29. That sounds like 2 disasters to me. Obama needs someone with a grasp on Foreign policy.
And Sebelius is a particularly bad choice - DINO alert.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:28 PM
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32. Feingold has been great with foreign policy for the last 8 years.
And Sebelius is hardly a DINO.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:32 PM
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34. plus, we'll have a secretary of state as well...
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:33 PM
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36. No & No.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:34 PM
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37. Seems like you're just holding out for Evan Bayh.
You don't give any real reason for opposing either of those two.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:38 PM
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38. I don't think they are good choices. Biden, Clark, Kerry - someone like that.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:55 PM
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41. Biden's the last guy who should be VP, after the plagiarism charges.
He flunked a law school class and dropped out in 1988 due to plagiarism. He's also a gaffe machine and the right-wing would have a field day with him.

Clark would be okay but he bungled some actions in Kosovo.

I don't see what Kerry brings to the ticket as VP.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:55 PM
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42. Why does he need someone with foreign policy experience?
Because he'll be running against "100-year War" McCain? He doesn't NEED that...
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:58 PM
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43. Because the election will be about foreign policy/national security and without
tbe credentials on the ticket, we will be eaten alive.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 04:43 PM
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48. Eaten alive is an exxageration...
and even though McCain is a war vet...he doesn't have the BEST history of foreign policy judgements (ie. Iraq). We can make do without someone with military decorations.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 04:17 PM
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47. ...You're right on the mark.
:thumbsup:
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:28 PM
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31. Sebelius is DLC - but I don't know much about her, whether it is
committed DLC, or "that's where the action is" DLC. Being from Kansas she's likely more conservative than many, but that doesn't necessarily mean neo-lib.

Can anybody help me out with her?
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:31 PM
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33. Obama / Clark
I know Clark is in the Clinton camp but if Obama wins the nomination Clark would surely join him if asked. He would help him out tremendously on the foreign policy side of things.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:33 PM
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35. ooh. that's also a good bumper sticker.
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senaca Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:44 PM
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39. Obama/Daschle
Daschle would round out Obama in experience and he knows how to bring people together. He comes across as a decent human being and he wouldn't try to upstage Obama in his Presidency. He's, also, been a part of Obama's campaign. There would be a greater sense of trust there.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:50 PM
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49. Sebeliuzzzzzzzzzzzz
nt
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:04 PM
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51. Obama/Richard Clarke
The ONE guy who had the guts to apologize for 9-11..and apparently also the ONLY guy who foresaw it happening, and ended up ignored..and the only one I recall getting applause & hugs at the 911 hearings..

A guy with foresight into the underpinnings of the "terrah", would dispel some issues of security:)
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