Suspicions that Kerry, Lieberman, and Gep want Bush to win?

[jeter]

I have a feeling that these three, all part of the Washington establishment, would rather Bush be reeelected than have an outsider Democrat take the whole thing.

Washington culture, in my opinion, is very much like high school, with its in cliques and out cliques. The out cliques want to be in. The in cliques want to protect their position. Occasionally an outsider comes in and disrupts the whole balance.

This is what I believe is happening. Gephardt, Lieberman and Kerry are part of the out clique and they want be in. Bush and the republicans are the in clique. Dean is an outsider. So Gep, Lieberman and Kerry would rather keep the in clique in power than accept an outsider as their leader since it maintains their position in the Washington totem poll.

What do you think?

[TexasPatriot]

1. how about

will likely do whatever they can to prevent such a choice.

[Bucky]

15. You're right, Jeter's wrong. Let's be realistic.

God bless Jeter for his passion for his candidate, but he's wrong. Kerry, Lieberman, and Gephardt may have concerns about Dean, but they're not going to back Bush over Dean. Not a chance in hell. Certainly not in public, but almost 100% certainly not in private as well.

Why do I say almost 100%? Well, it's got nothing to do with Lieberman and everything to do with Dean. He's got a loose cannon for a mouth. He could really end up saying something stupid to alienate the party's rank and file. Calling them "cockroaches" and "Republican lite" is a good start... but it's not enough. If Dean gets the nomination and manages to act like a grown up for the next 5 months, he can bank on complete and sincere support from the rank and file leadership.

The POWER is HIS (But it's still a big "if").

[IndianaGreen]

2. Big Dog wants Hillary to become President

Either get her as VP on the ticket in 2004, or watch the Dems lose so that Hillary becomes the automatic front runner for 2008.

:tinfoilhat:

How ambitious are the Clintons? Are they ambitious enough to sabotage the 2004 nominee?

Time will tell...

[last1standing]

3. Do you have any evidence to back that up?

If you're going to make these claims you should probably have something to prove it. If you don't it just looks rather tinfoil.

[IndianaGreen]

4. Read my post again

You will notice a tinfoil icon in the middle of it.

BTW, tinfoil theories have come true more often than I care to remember since Bush became our Maximum Leader.

[AndyTiedye]

18. If We Don't Win in 2004, THERE IS NO 2008

as far as elections are concerned.

[windansea]

5. nice push poll n/t

[last1standing]

6. I refuse to think any of our candidates would prefer bush* to Dean.

I might not like some of our candidates, but I think they are all doing what they think is best to guide this country. Yes, even Lieberman.

[rucky]

11. Agreed - even Lieberman

[Bombtrack]

7. John Kerry and Dick Gephardt are died-in-the-wool liberals.

Sorry to all you purists who don't want to include them, no they aren't fringe leftists but they are liberals. Lieberman is certainly more moderate than them, but pretty much 99 percent of republicans would consider him a moderate liberal. ( I consider a centrist to be someone who votes with the opposition more than a third of the time. Joe does not come close)

Kerry and Gephardt and Lieberman want to see a democrat, any democrat defeat, Bush. But they KNOW, that it is virtually impossible for Dean to perform that task of defeating him without something horrible, like a second recession, happeing to the country

[IndianaGreen]

8. Oh yeah, I remember Gephardt's courageous stand as a liberal, do you?

President, House Leadership Agree on Iraq Resolution



President George W. Bush along with bipartisan leaders from the House and Senate announced the Joint Resolution to authorize the use of the United States Armed Forces against Iraq. "The statement of support from the Congress will show to friend and enemy alike the resolve of the United States," President Bush said during the announcement in the Rose Garden, Wednesday, October 2, 2002. White House photo by Paul Morse.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-7.html

[Bombtrack]

23. yes, he's a non-obsessivly anti-war liberal

like the majority of liberals who aren't so obsessivly anti-war or pacifist that the support for a resolution to increase the threat to a foriegn country to comply with UN resolutions automatically negates there liberalism

[polmaven]

9. Maybe I have missed something

but I don't remember that is was any of those three who has made the observation that some of his supporters may not vote for a candidate other than himself.

I also think I missed hearing that the candidate who did make that observation requested of those wayward supporters to support whichever of the candidates is the nominee.

[RUexperienced]

10. I don't believe it.

[Racenut20]

12. You sound like

A Right Wing Shrub supporter, or the typical overzealous Dean supporter about to wet his pants that a "real Democrat" might get the nomination and you wouldn't get to jump up and down and go wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

13. what utter crap

How can you put Gephardt in the same sentence with Lieberman and Kerry anyway?

[Bucky]

16. I can't tell if you're insulting Gephardt or Kerry with that comment

This being DU, Lieberman's a given. But who is the Republican Manchurian this time, Kerry or Gephardt?

WhoCounts writes:

"How can you put Gephardt in the same sentence with Lieberman and Kerry anyway?"

[LWolf]

14. Other.

They despise Bush, and want to beat Dean so that they can beat Bush themselves.

:eyes:

[MODemocrat]

17. Maybe it's because they don't want Democrats to inherit Bush's mess?

For a long time, my husband has been saying that any Democrat would have to be brave to actually want the presidency after George Bush.
They'll inherit the mess, and be blamed for everything. That's the way they did Bill Clinton, though they tried to take credit for all
the good things that were put in place.
No one ever said I'm a savvy politician, so this is just my thoughts. :think: :argh: If this isn't the case and they really want to be the president, they'd better start acting like they are playing with a full deck. All any of them are doing when they're running down the other, is playing into the republicans' hands. How foolish!

[Monte Carlo]

19. This is the worst thread I have ever seen. Ever.

This is the biggest bunch of shit. Everybody in Washington was an outsider once. Do think the Democratic Party would cut off their nose to spite their face? The Democrats WILL accept whomever gets the nomination as their man against Bush, so stop making overstretched analogies.

[AntiCoup2K4]

20. These three have bent over and lubed up for Bush any time he asked them to

in the last three years. Two of them are unquestionably backing the PNAC agenda. You better believe they would rather have the Idiot Son of An Asshole :grr:

[Padraig18]

21. I don't believe it at all.

They want to be President, but I am most certain the do not want * to be President, even more so.

[genius]

22. They want a real Democrat to beat Bush. That excludes Dean

who is a Republican masquerading as a Democrat.

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

24. Nah

None of those guys want to see Bush win another term, under any circumstances. Kerry wouldn't be mortgaging his house if he didn't feel very strongly about ousting President Fuckface.

[Moderator]

25. Locking.......

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