Hillary: Seat Michigan, Florida Delegates

[IndianaGreen]

Friday, February 22, 2008

Hillary: Seat Michigan, Florida Delegates

posted by Evan Smith at 7:50 AM

There’s been a lot of talk about what your campaign would do should it get to the convention. Would you commit today to honoring the agreement made earlier not to seat the Michigan and Florida delegations?

Let’s talk about the agreement. The only agreement I entered into was not to campaign in Michigan and Florida. It had nothing to do with not seating the delegates. I think that’s an important distinction. I did not campaign--

The press seems to have missed the distinction if that’s the case. The talk is that you agreed not to seat the delegation.

That’s not the case at all. I signed an agreement not to campaign in Michigan and Florida. Now, the DNC made the determination that they would not seat the delegates, but I was not party to that. I think it’s important for the DNC to ask itself, Is this really in the best interest of our eventual nominee? We do not want to be disenfranchising Michigan and Florida. We have to try to carry both of those states. I’d love to carry Texas, but it’s usually not in the electoral calculation for the Democratic nominee. Florida and Michigan are. Therefore, the people of those two states disregarded adamantly the DNC’s decision that they would not seat the delegates. They came out and voted. If they had been influenced by the DNC, despite the fact that there was very little campaigning, if any, they would have stayed home. But they wanted their voices heard. More than 2 million people came out. I mean, it was record turnout for a primary. Florida, in particular, is sensitive to being disenfranchised because of what happened to them in the last elections. I have said that I would ask my delegates to vote to seat.

So your intention is to press this issue?

Yes, it is. Yes, it is.

http://www.texasmonthly.com/blogs/polldancing/2008/02/hillary-seat-michigan-florida-delegates.php

[GarbagemanLB]

1. Agreed. Seat them and split it 50/50 for both.

[shraby]

2. I don't think the supporters of the other

candidates would agree with seating them. My brother is in Michigan and was angry because his pick wasn't on the ballot. There is a vote that Edwards or Obama would have had. I'm sure there are many more. To split 50-50 or any split wouldn't be fair whatsoever unless there is a do-over on the voting.

[NJSecularist]

3. "I’d love to carry Texas, but it’s usually not in the electoral calculation..."

..."for the democratic nominee"...

Unfucking believable!!! Hillary is moving the goalposts again!

[IndianaGreen]

4. She is starting to diss Texas as she has all other states she lost

It appears Hillary has decided to carry this fight to the convention, and the hell with everyone else.

[TheDonkey]

5. Unfortunately Texas seems to not matter anymore

when before it sounded like Texas had become the most important state in the nation.

[shadowknows69]

20. Bill even said she needed it

Has Hillary become a little delusional here?

[Egnever]

6. Hillary Ready to cheat on day one!

[crispini]

7. Houston, we have a problem.

Wu-oh!

[ZinZen]

8. Well as Hillary said when she announced her

candidacy- "I am in it to win it!". And so she is, by any means possible.

[IndianaGreen]

10. and if she doesn't win, no one else can!

Can you imagine the MSM gloating over the spectacle of a floor fight about Hillary's "delegates?"

[adoraz]

9. why does she keep bringing this up?

If this does happen, which I highly doubt, it won't be for a few months. Shouldn't she focus on winning Texas and Ohio, the thing she needs to do just to stay alive?

I don't think she is helping herself out by bringing this up all the time at this point.

[Faygo Kid]

11. It's just too late for this now. This race feels over.

If Obama wins both Ohio and Texas, it's over, and this delegate controversy will disappear.

This election feels over. Obama will be the nominee. 11 for 11 with no win by less than 17 points? It is indeed time to get real.

[Yael]

13. It is sending a message to her supporters to keep sending money

The campaign is DEEPLY in debt.

[Yael]

12. The election is 11 days away and Texas don't count?

What happened to the firewall?

[Johnny__Motown]

14. I believe she agreed to abide by the rules of the DNC on 9/1/07. FL&MI broke the rules

She is trying to split a hair on a bald man.


Clearly this argument it bogus. If she wins the nomination by breaking the rules she will be seen as Illegitimate and can't possibly win the GE.


At this point a vote for Hillary is a vote for a divided Democratic Party. It would be best for everyone if she lost both Texas and Ohio.

[IndianaGreen]

16. I agree. Voters in TX and OH should shut the door on Hillary now

else we find ourselves with a protracted guerrilla war leading all the way to the convention.

[madfloridian]

15. Let her continue on this path.

It will hurt her badly.

Three court rulings say the DNC is right.

[IndianaGreen]

17. She can cause a lot of harm in the meantime

It is like having a madman on a ship that decides that if he can't be captain, he will sink the ship and everyone in it.

[SoCalDem]

18. sheez.. they really don't give up, do they??

rules were in place BEFORE any votes were cast.. people who decided to not vote because it would not count, were disenfranchised..the people who decided to vote anyway and are now pissed that the rules cannot be bent for them "feel" disenfranchised..

No one wins..no matter what happens..

If the people who expected to go, as delegates..and now are not invited to the party, are all upset..just pick names from a hat..send them and let them attend the "party"..(just not the voting part)

3253
-366 (Michigan & Florida)
divided by 2 +1
1444 to win..(not counting the politburo)


Adding in the two rogue states at the end, not only does not hold them accountable for breaking the rules at the beginning, it rewards them and makes them the shining stars of the show they got booted out of.. makes chumps of the states who followed the rules..

[IndianaGreen]

19. Watch the video of Hillary talking about Michigan and Florida delegates

http://www.texasmonthly.com/texasmonthlytalks/player.php?type=video&path=texasmonthlytalks/assets/season6/flv&file=616_Hillary_Clinton&ptitle=Hillary%20Clinton

http://www.texasmonthly.com/

[RamboLiberal]

21. Michael Moore wants Michigan vote re-do to fix 'Soviet-style election'

Filmmaker Michael Moore says he and his fellow Michigan voters should have their voices heard as Democrats pick their presidential nominee, but he does not want results of the state's previous "Soviet-style election" to count.

Michigan and Florida each were stripped of their delegates after they broke Democratic National Committee rules in scheduling their primaries too early. Hillary Clinton easily "won" each delegate-free state in which candidates agreed not to campaign, and she is now pushing for those states to have their delegates re-seated at the Democrats' convention this summer.

Moore, who previously lamented the disenfranchisement of his states voters, said he wanted the Democratic party to "fix" the situation, ideally by holding another primary or caucus. Barack Obama and John Edwards, unlike Clinton, removed their names from Michigan ballots before the state's Jan. 15 vote.

"There was no election there," Moore told reporters on a conference call Friday. "That was a Soviet-style election with one candidate on the ballot."

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Moore_wants_Michigan_vote_redo_to_0222.html

[Thepricebreaker]

22. Hillary: Lets break the rules, after we signed a form agreeing they wouldnt be seated... n/t

[IndianaGreen]

23. The video of Hillary's interview by Texas Monthly is in YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w68rOsJa74o