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Fri Feb-22-08 10:01 PM
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What do you think of repukes voting Obama to knock out Hillary yet will vote McCain in Nov? |
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:02 PM
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1. Where? How many? Who are they? |
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Sat Feb-23-08 01:15 AM
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64. You won't get many names, I fear. Numerous polls have shown that ... |
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Obama has a better chance against McCain than Hillary does.
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:03 PM
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2. Of course it is happening. |
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To deny it is to have one's head in the sand.
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Sat Feb-23-08 12:31 AM
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simply ask "do you really want to miss history being made?" ?v=0 http://mothermavenhaven.blogspot.com/2008/02/would-you-walk-73-miles-to-vote.htmlPlease let me know if you see a single republican in any of these
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Sat Feb-23-08 03:34 AM
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71. FYI Kerry & Edwards had HUGE crowds in 04 too. The sad truth is McCain is a DONE deal. |
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Sat Feb-23-08 04:01 AM
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75. Oh sure it's happening |
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but no one can give me one good reason why!
Every poll done on a heads up between McLame and our candidates shows Obama beating McLame and Hillary losing to McLame.
So why is it the republicans want so badly to face Obama this fall?
If Hillary says that McCain is wrong on the war in Iraq, McCain says "both Hillary and I voted for the IWR, so why is she saying that now? She must be a flip-flopper."
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:03 PM
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3. I think they're dangerously underestimating Barack Obama |
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:38 PM
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Let's come back to this very place in one year's time.
I believe I will be regretting that we missed the opportunity to elect a person of competence, character and command - Hillary Clinton. I believe I will be regretting that my choice was a good candidate but not the best we could have had.
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Sat Feb-23-08 12:18 AM
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43. the funny thing about this is that cross over voting down here is so common |
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that it's counted on in local elections. Been going on for years.
It's been going on for many years and only now is it suddenly a vast right-wing conspiracy. Why didn't the Clintons, and their supporters, moan about our way of doing it back in '92 and '96? I was an indy then and voted for Bill both times, and I don't remember any complaints about the system then.
Texas is Obama country!
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:03 PM
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4. I predict you're going to be miserable shortly |
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And it will last 8 years or more.
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:03 PM
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5. And there are republicans voting for Hillary because she is easier to beat n/t |
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:05 PM
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8. Some Dems are voting for HUCKY...lol |
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Sat Feb-23-08 12:22 AM
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44. Obama is getting the rethug vote by over a 2:1 margin |
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Sat Feb-23-08 01:18 AM
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Democratic nominee, some months ago. Seems they got over that.
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:04 PM
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7. Gotta love those open primaries and caucus |
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Like Texas where they're asking repubs to vote for Barack.
Funny how the media never mentions the cross over voting for obama.
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:36 PM
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26. Less voters identifying with GOP party see link |
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:05 PM
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9. I think that Clinton or Obama would have a good chance against McCain, |
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...and if we put a Democrat in the White House, then they will be disappointed.
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:05 PM
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10. Not likely without mass coordination |
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Repubes don't take a dump without instructions (which explains a lot in itself)
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:06 PM
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11. I think A) more repukes are doing this for Clinton and B) all polls show BO does better than HRC |
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:06 PM
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12. What do YOU think of disenchanted Repubs. voting for Obama because they want him to be president? |
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It's happening.
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:07 PM
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13. Yep. In MI Obama got 6.2% of the R vote and Hillary got 2.7% |
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Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 10:08 PM by Lone_Star_Dem
It is happening.
Poor Republicans are so divided they can't even agree on crossover voting.
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:07 PM
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14. Doesn't make sense to me since Obama is supposedly polling higher... |
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against McCain than Hillary is..
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:07 PM
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....there's a little good, in everyone....
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:10 PM
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16. A bad sign for the general election. |
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:15 PM
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18. Don't let it worry you too much |
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The percentages aren't high enough for it to mean much. Here in Texas when they said Huckabee was still polling at 30% of the R vote I realized it won't be a big thing. The Republicans are still not happy enough with McCain for significant crossover voting to occur.
However, we could still lose the GE AGAIN, if we don't work our fingers to the bone to win.
It's ours to lose...and if we do there's no one to blame but ourselves.
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:12 PM
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17. Reagan Democrats voting temporarily |
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on the side of Democrats will promptly revert to type which is 'what? pay more taxes. never'
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:17 PM
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19. Didn't dailykos try to get people to vote for Mitt in Michigan? |
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:17 PM
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20. I think it is a theory that was developed to help Hillary and her quest at being Most electable.... |
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Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 10:40 PM by FrenchieCat
But I believe that with Bush with his lower than low approval ratings, and McCain wanting to bomb Iran and wanting to stay in Iraq for 100 years, and the penchant for Republicans to hate all things Clinton, who else are are Republicans supposed to go and vote for? :shrug:
Most of the Republicans that I know (I work for a lot of them as an outside accountant) are socially liberal and most are Republicans solely due to the issue of taxes and the myth of self reliance (most are small business owners).
Most that I have spoken to about Obama, as I don't hide my preference, don't voice being against voting for a Black man, and many cite Colin Powell as someone else they would have voted for. They simply like Barack. Is it really that impossible for Hillary supporters to imagine that many Republicans are not racists and are not automatic warmongers (not after 5 years of war and an economy in the tank), and are not clamoring for a Warmongering 73 year old senator.
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:27 PM
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22. Yep. In MI Obama got 6.2% of the R vote and Hillary got 2.7% |
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Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries Topic subject Yep. In MI Obama got 6.2% of the R vote and Hillary got 2.7% Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4721156#47212174721217, Yep. In MI Obama got 6.2% of the R vote and Hillary got 2.7% Posted by Lone_Star_Dem on Fri Feb-22-08 09:07 PM It is happening. Poor Republicans are so divided they can't even agree on crossover voting.
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Sat Feb-23-08 12:30 AM
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46. MI? Obama's name wasn't on the ballot. n/t |
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Sat Feb-23-08 12:56 AM
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49. How did he get 6.2% without his name on the ballot? |
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Sat Feb-23-08 01:05 AM
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57. That's funny, Obama wasn't on the MI ballot I voted on. You aren't lying by chance |
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are you? Oh wait, you are.
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Sat Feb-23-08 04:20 AM
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78. In the general election, all the matters is that you get the most Democratic votes. |
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Sat Feb-23-08 01:10 AM
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61. i would be interested in your opinion of the thread below |
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:30 PM
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23. You're living in a dream world. |
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the cross over republicans are voting for Hillary. A Hillary candidacy is a neo-con wet dream.
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:32 PM
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24. Assumes facts not in evidence and is therefore not a credible premise. |
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Sat Feb-23-08 01:09 AM
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60. you may be interested in the thread below |
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Sat Feb-23-08 01:59 AM
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69. Thanks. I read it and posted on that thread. |
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What is happening in Texas right now is historic beyond words. One of my adult children teaches at a university here in Texas, and gives me his reports on what is going on there. My kids hardcore Democrats, too, having been raised RIGHT.
We're long time, serious, Texas Democrats.
We are so excited about what is taking place here. I've never seen blacks in Texas so proud, so ready to participate. And young anglos and latinos are excited now in a way I feared they might never be.
I get reports from people I know about the events of Hillary and Bill, and they're small events with predominantly older Texans, and by that, I mean my age and older. They're mainly older whites, with a smattering of blacks. Of course, they're drawing Hispanics south of El Paso to Corpus, but even in those South Texas venues, the crowds are smaller than Obama draws in the same region.
If Clinton supporters want to try to minimize that, fine. But the tsunami is coming, and it's going to be a big win for Obama in Texas.
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you are underestimating the Hispanic vote, they are the one's who put Hillary on top in CA. As far as your comparison with crowds, Obama pulled larger crowds in CA also, did he win?
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And should he win....they know they can roll him.
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:58 PM
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32. Right....just like Hillary did! |
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You guys are soooo funny. Politics of hate and fear. Trying to scare up folks into voting for Hillary. How utterly pitiful and pathetic! And the saddest thing is that ya'll probably actually believe this bullshit. Like y'all think that Republicans are as racists as y'all apparently are. Sad bunch of Democrats in da house!
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my Mom told me her brother (retired life military GOP delegate) said this was THE PLAN...the National Plan. Get rid of Hillary quick, jettison McCain and beat the heck out of Obama in the GE.
I laughed at first, but then a fear did hit me.
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:55 PM
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31. Again.....this is only a theory being advanced as a last ditch effort |
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fear tactic to help Hillary. Poor thing. :cry:
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Fri Feb-22-08 11:04 PM
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33. Seriously? The retired life military GOP delegates are going to JETTISON McCain? |
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Damn, they're even more devious than we ever thought. No wonder a fear hit you.
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Fri Feb-22-08 10:51 PM
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30. The repukes are too stupid on this one |
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I think most of them just cancel each other out
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Fri Feb-22-08 11:49 PM
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34. I think that denial is never pretty. |
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Fri Feb-22-08 11:56 PM
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35. I Think they are shooting themselves in the foot because obviously |
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Obama is a better candidate. I remember when Democrats in a northern Idaho country teamed up and voted for what they thought was the worst general election candidate on the ballot. It worked and the guy got the Republican nomination. Then, guess what, he won, and it backfired. It took 8 years to remove the corrupt right wing nut.
I think the Republicans are nominating the only Democrat that beat McCain in the General Election, and they will be stuck with him for 8 years too.
So I am happy they are committing suicide.
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Sat Feb-23-08 01:11 AM
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62. I would appreciate your opinion on the following thread |
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Sat Feb-23-08 01:09 AM
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59. They've been talking about this a lot on CNN, MSNBC, etc. |
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Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 01:12 AM by kerry-is-my-prez
I've seen some Obama people talking about it here....
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Sat Feb-23-08 04:21 AM
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79. Proof is where something is documented and proven |
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'I saw it on TV one time' is not.
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Sat Feb-23-08 12:04 AM
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37. Read the news. It is happening. |
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Sat Feb-23-08 12:06 AM
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38. Obama is about to win the Democratic nomination. It's happening indeed. |
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We should all be proud of him.
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Sat Feb-23-08 12:08 AM
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39. Yes, and notice the OP did not provide one shred of substantiation for his silly post. Typical. |
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Sat Feb-23-08 12:09 AM
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40. I've done the same thing in republican primaries on several occasions. |
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It's just a fact of life in an open primary system. I don't like it, I would prefer closed primaries.
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Sat Feb-23-08 12:10 AM
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41. Wow!! Those huge turnouts... |
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all those never before seen numbers of people showing up at the polls are all republicans???
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Sat Feb-23-08 12:59 AM
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52. Most of the 30,000 who showed up in Austin to see Obama were Republicans |
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Sat Feb-23-08 12:13 AM
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42. Yes, I have heard this from the right ie hannity, rush, morris sayin' |
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in the upcoming election in texas that republicans should cross over and vote for obama. Never quite understood this logic if the right considers hrc the easier of the two to beat. Have heard too it will be hard to run stuff against obama then it would hrc.
This is all bullshit because they know of the two hrc would be the toughest to beat....obama they are gearing up for and you talk about folks that know how to play the race card and come away with clean hands these damn republicans do. By the time this is over the right will have convinced america that obama is really osama and that hussein obama is a muslin and non christian...just crap like this...and none of you obama folks do not get all pissed and say I enjoy writing this, hell it is you all that have your damn head in the sand that believe the right is going to be as kind and gentle as the clinton campaign was.....oh and this is still based upon the idea that IF obama gets the nomination.....
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48. Where? Who? How many? |
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What evidence do you have of this?
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Sat Feb-23-08 12:57 AM
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50. Why do we care what Republicans think? If they are wrong about almost everything |
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they are probably wrong about who they think is easiest to beat. And even if it is happening one way or the other, Obama is winning by margins of 20 points. I can't imagine Republicans impacting state results by more than a point or two.
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Sat Feb-23-08 12:58 AM
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51. Oh my, another inflammatory post in GD-P. No links, no statistics, no nothin but divisive bs. |
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Sat Feb-23-08 01:00 AM
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53. Everyone knew going in that she had a negative polling percentage near 50%, why does this surprise y... |
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Sat Feb-23-08 01:00 AM
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54. Unnecessary. Hillary loses to McCain in a GE anyway. |
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Late polls illustrate that.
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Sat Feb-23-08 01:00 AM
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55. love it...they just don't get it - they will lose BIG! BIG like you have never seen BIG |
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56. What do you think about Coulter, Beck, Limbaugh, endorsing Hillary |
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and Murdoch raising money for her? What do you think of all the Republicans who are voting for Hillary because they think she is the easiest to beat?
It is happening.
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Sat Feb-23-08 01:06 AM
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58. I'm sure some of that is happening, BUT . . . |
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he wouldn't be drawing over flow to his speeches and gatherings if that were the only thing holding him up. I mean I live in IDAHO for crise sake, and there were so many people for his speech in the BSU arena that at least 2000 people were turned away. Then the same thing happened at the caucus, which shows me that the dems are fired up, mostly for Obama.
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Sat Feb-23-08 01:13 AM
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63. It's dangerous and stupid on their part |
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if that's what they are doing. I've toyed with registering reTHUG just so I could vote in their primary and pick the "weaker" candidate. I wouldn't do it though cause you never know. Going back aways (I'm in CA) I remember our Democratic Governor thinking it would be a slamdunk against actor Reagan...see what happened. :scared: Chimp appeared to be weak too but we're been stuck with him. It's really STUPID to underestimate ANY candidate. :silly:
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Sat Feb-23-08 01:15 AM
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65. I live in Texas and that's what my RW coworkers are doing |
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I'm a lifelong Democrat...
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Sat Feb-23-08 01:15 AM
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66. Karma is a bithc!!! And it will most likely come back to bite them in the ass. |
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Sat Feb-23-08 01:19 AM
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68. Those people are dwarfed by those who actually are moved to change their |
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The Republicans would love to take credit for our candidate's enormous success. They are in complete disarray at this point, so what else can they do but pretend they have some kind of influence or power?
It's total bullshit.
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Sat Feb-23-08 03:49 AM
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happening. I was a tad suspicious of this awhile back, if Rush Limbaugh is singing Obama praises, that itself is enough for me. These republican pundits are pissing their pants over Obama, and it's not out of love; its pure strategy. Either way, Obama is pandering to the right; or the republican machine is in full throttle.
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Sat Feb-23-08 03:58 AM
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74. This Is No More Than A Sad Rationalization For Hillary Losing 11 Straight |
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Sat Feb-23-08 04:06 AM
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76. I think that's the most poorly constructed sentence I've seen all day. |
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...every member of my very Democratic family voting for McCain in MA back in 2000...to derail Bush.
Big diff: Barack ain't Bush. P.S. It's politics, bring a helmet...and maybe lobby your state leadership to do away with open primaries. But then again, what is more American than being able to vote for whoever the hell you want to? Food for thought.
File this under "Be careful what you wish for," as Senator Obama is out-polling McCain pretty much everywhere except the moons of Jupiter...and he's surging there, so who knows. Watch Io closely... ;)
...and don't make the mistake of misinterpreting Republicans doing something collectively with Repuiblicans being smart. Sometimes, mass does not outweigh energy.
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