Peggy Noonan has started in on the Obamas

[ruggerson]

I was perusing the WSJ today, and I noticed that the Queen of Obnoxious Filth wrote an absolutely scathing piece ripping both Barack and Michelle to shreds and tarring them with much of the same bad rightwing pseudo pop psychoanalytical crap she has used on Bill and Hillary for many, many years.

I'm not going to post it here. Because it's dreck whether she writes it about Hillary or Barack Obama. Now it even has an added twist of not so subtle racial jabs.

Let's just say to those Obama supporters who regularly dragged her, and other rightwinger's, anti-Hillary diatribes to DU as proof of how evil the Clintons are - the worm has started to turn.

Your newly found rightwing best friends are just starting to crank up the slime machine.

[goldcanyonaz]

1. I thought she was his new best friend a few weeks back...

uh oh.

[ruggerson]

3. go read it

it's the guideline for what the "intellectual theorists" at the Heritage Foundation and National Review are going to use this fall.

[papau]

143. she was - the GOP memos never hid the plan to take out Hillary so that easy BO was nom - now they

will see if they were right to push Obama via the media they own - the smear machine begins -

but it will have no effect at this point on the Dem nom as the AA dems will hear of no wrong by BO now that he has played the race card and any AA that does not vote for him against Hillary is supporting that racist Hillary and the rest of the racist whites that support her.

[papau]

187. some evidence below of GOP wanting weakest Dem - Obama - for general

http://ironmyvote.com/obamas-popular-vote.htm

From a "Republicans for Obama" website:

http://ironmyvote.com/obamas-popular-vote.htm

Its on a site called Republicans for obama in texas
Home » Groups » Texas R.F.O. Primary Petition for Obama
E-mail to send to all your Republican friends
Sat, 02/16/2008 - 10:41pm
Attention All Texas Republicans and Independents!!
On March 4th, Texas Republicans and Independents will have an opportunity to end Hillary Clinton’s (and Bill’s) presidential ambitions once and for all!
Since Texas has on open primary, Republicans and Independents should sign in at their polling place and request a Democratic ballot. They should then vote for Barack Obama. Even James Carville admits that if Hillary loses Texas, “she’s done!” Republicans can help make this a reality!!! Just think, no more Clintons in the White House!
Voting Democratic this one time will have NO effect on your ability to vote in the next Republican primary or obviously on your vote in November. Since John McCain has the Republican nomination locked up, voting for McCain or Huckabee at this point will have no effect on the outcome on the Republican side.
After you vote during early voting or on March 4th, you ARE NOT done! Report back to your regular polling place at 7PM on March 4th to sign the Barack Obama list for caucus delegates. In a little known Texas voting quirk, 67 delegates to the Democratic convention will be seated because of these caucuses. This is a full one-third of the total number of Texas delegates. For Hillary to lose, she has to lose the primary votes AND the caucus votes. I urge you to vote against Hillary Clinton by voting for Barack Obama.
Please forward this e-mail to all your Republican and Independent friends so that we can help ensure the Clinton’s defeat on March 4th!!!


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Similar instructions from the Obama campaign:

Here’s a video from the Obama campaign

Slickly produced, promoting their “Democrat for a Day” scheme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUE4Kp0YERs

Obama Web page in Florida:

The following has been scrubbed from the web but was up for months at an Obama campaign site:
Quoting from the Google cache “as retrieved on Nov 30, 2007 02:11:00 GMT”
http:/ / www.google.com/search?q=cache:MVQ9FvgfVwoJ:www.obamaflo...

WANNA BECOME AN OBAMACRAT?!!!
By Obama Florida 2008
Published: April 24, 2007
….
That’s why “Democrat for a Day” was launched this spring by ObamaFlorida2008. Using the official forms provided by all Supervisors of Elections offices, you may re-register as a Democrat for that one day — when the primary is likely to be held — on February 5, 2008. You must do so before the end of 2007, to make sure it is done 30 days before the primary.
But this is not about some “hard sell” to recruit voters to become permanent Democrats. Not at all. After the primary, you may re-register back to the Republican or Libertarian parties, or revert to your previous status as an Independent! There will be plenty of time before the general election in November 2008.
….
But we’re finding that up to 20 percent of Obama supporters are registered Republicans.
In fact, during the first couple of weeks in April, some 150 Republicans indeed became “Democrats for a Day.” You might call them “Obamacrats!”

Obama Flyer in Nevada:

A flyer was distributed in Nevada by an Obama precinct captain, similar to the above Florida page - http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=26826


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Similar efforts:

Dick Morris’ explicit instructions to Republicans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt_jnhsyqg0

Obama’s Democrat for a Day training video: http://www . youtube.com/watch?v=JUE4Kp0YERs

MSNBC’s Chris Matthews on 2-19-2008 also talked about Republicans having "some fun" voting for Obama:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23255694 /
MATTHEWS: Let me talk to you. Let me go right now, Ron, is that your theory, that—well, it‘s mine, too—that if you can vote if you‘re a moderate or independent voter or you‘re a Republican who doesn‘t think it‘s important to vote on the Republican side, since it‘s locked up for McCain, have some fun and vote for somebody you have sort of an interest in, Barack Obama, perhaps?


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More leads
-- we need to collect evidence of GOP crossover in many different locales, so that the superdelegates in each locale will understand where Obama's 'popular' vote is coming from

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080222/ap_on_el_pr/open_primaries_1


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If anyone has more evidence to add, pls email 1950democrat - a t - g m a i l . c o m or post it at http://1950democrat.livejournal.com/55788.html (may not appear immediately).

[angie_love]

2. thanks for reporting. I know Obama will have an uphill battle in fighting McCain but I think we'll

be able to pull it off. It was never going to be easy and I know the right wing will be vicious. I hope Obama can fight back even harder.

[ZinZen]

176. I agree

Not surprised that RWinger Noonan is slamming Obama, but if they think Lifeline McCain is anything to hold their hopes on, they are going to have a wakeup call this Nov. Americans are sick and tired of Repubs. Not afraid of their slams either. I have plenty of slams towards their corrupt asses, as I do for Grampa Strangelove.

[OhioBlue]

4. I read part of it

she was repulsive.

[JohnnyLib2]

Same with Limbaugh today. Ugly stuff.

Many months to go.....

[scheming daemons]

5. We're not naive... we know that right-wing columnists will write right-wing columns....

....but a piece like this Noonan one works in Obama's favor.


America is VERY tired of the right wing. How do I know? A report today showed that the gap between the number of people who self-identify as Democrats and Republicans has grown to a record level.

52% of the population self-identifies as Democrats now. 32% Republican.

People are leaving the GOP in droves... in absolute droves. And the turnouts in early primaries, when both parties were still up in the air, were still 2-1 or 3-2 in Democrats' favor.


We are going to win in a landslide over Grandpa..... This is the 1996 campaign all over again... 70-year-old war hero that the "right" doesn't especially agree with, against a young impressive candidate with vitality.


Don't worry.... Noonan is on the wrong side of history.

[knixphan]

22. agreed. The neocons are T-Rexing.

[rodeodance]

56. You missed the point of the OP--that being it was just fine for Obama folk

to use peggy when she demeanded Hillary--but now?--enjoy your new friend

[scheming daemons]

77. Her last week's column wasn't demeaning Hillary, it was praising Obama.....however insincere....

...

[robbedvoter]

160. Not a regular Nooner reader - but check # 6 here for the point made (i.e hypocrisy)

[emilyg]

171. **

[bluedawg12]

164. The party reeks of death, failure and mothballs. n/t

[Maven]

6. And yet just a few weeks ago certain Obama supporters defended her

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4192460

Saying she was "older, wiser and more thoughtful" as RW pundits go. Expressing their agreement.

Heh.

[robbedvoter]

117. Thanks so much for preserving this! I love those turnarounds!

Everyone was good enough for them when attacking Hillary...
Glad to see my own contribution there
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4192460&mesg_id=4194835
And don't forget those vile fascists - Paul Krugman and Joseph Wilson!

[Cameron27]

124. OMG

there's more:
Of course you are entitled to your opinion and I am to mine.
1st amenment baby! Bill Clinton was angrier than a wounded tiger.

and more:

You dont have to embrace them, just create an atmosphere for a civil dialog.

I don't know, it's hard to chose, but I think I like this one the best:

B.S. Do you expect us to be so blinded by DLC Clintonian Camelot delusions that we won't admit veins
of truth even when it comes from unsavory characters such as Peggy Noonan?

We are not The Borg.


:beer:

[SammyWinstonJack]

188. !

:wow: :rofl: :evilgrin:

We are not the Borg. :silly:

[rodeodance]

163. OMG- SAYING THEY AGREED WITH HER!!!~~ what a hoot~~

[AX10]

170. Bookmarked.

For the record, the OP in the post is a militant Obamite.

[readmoreoften]

186. Oh my god, they said they AGREED WITH PEGGY NOONAN? Why not just endorse Bush

and get it over with.

[CTyankee]

195. It would help if she would stop

drinking...

[anamandujano]

7. I'm thoroughly astounded!

[ruggerson]

8. What is going to be interesting is watching the 180 degree

pivots some people will be forced to make.

[scheming daemons]

15. Not a 180.... when someone writes a good article about Obama, I'll praise it. When they write a ...

..bad one, I'll blast it.


I don't care who they are.

[Maven]

32. So...

Allegiance to Obama is the sole criterion by which you judge someone's character?

[scheming daemons]

36. No... allegiance to the truth. If the column is true, I'll praise it... if false, I'll blast it.

...

[GoldieAZ49]

128. Good! Hopefully you are published in the WSJ so everyone reading those false articles

will see your scathing rebuttal.

[scheming daemons]

138. No... I'm published on DU... get more eyeballs that way....

;-)

[anamandujano]

23. Got to love the 180s!

:popcorn:

[robbedvoter]

119. Please, don't miss # 6! Quite delicious!

[tyne]

9. Obama

supporters aren't. (even though I know you were joking)

[rodeodance]

152. who could have imagined!!

[DemGa]

10. But these are the old politics of Hillary's era

Americans will reject this type of thing and rush to embrace Obama -- count on it.

:sarcasm:

Ed: added sarcasm thingy.

[tyne]

13. Yes

they will.

Will take time, but, yes they will.

[DemGa]

34. Obama will end the left/right paradigm

Seriously, conservatives don't want what Democrats want -- and as long as this is so, they will fight forevermore. Nice idealism though. lol

[Beausoir]

37. Heh. Rush to embrace Obama? Wow. You could be in for a very rude awakening.

[DemGa]

46. Ha ha, I should have used that sarcasm thingy n/t

[BlackVelvet04]

92. LOL......

just like you guys have turned your back on the politics of the past and demeaning the other candidate? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
It's so friggin' pathetic that it's amusing.

[The_Casual_Observer]

11. It's all going to be different with Obama! No more red vs blue!

We're all Americans!

[ruggerson]

16. lol

[scheming daemons]

17. Yep... welcome aboard.

;-)

[KittyWampus]

39. so you really clutch divisiveness, don't you? Does it make you feel good? Superior?

after all, we're the good guys and about 40% of the rest of the US population are the bad guys.

And your solution on how to deal with those voters is to, what? Exterminate them?

There's a big difference between the Noonan's and Limbaughs and Voters.

With your attitude, we'd be stuck back where we were pre-Howard Dean in the DNC making the Democratic Party a national party and reaching out to all Americans.

[Name removed]

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[KittyWampus]

61. really pathetic answer to someone who tries to come across as so wise, politically.

You have no solutions and it's no wonder you advocate for Clinton.

She has a similar platform as Obama but specifically wants to keep the country evenly divided so nothing every really changes.

At least some - no, many- of us are willing to take a chance and try.

[Drunken Irishman]

91. Aww.

[anamandujano]

73. Now you all are going to get enlightened about who really causes the

lion's share of divisiveness in politics.

Obama laid it squarely on the shoulders of democrats from years gone by and in this campaign season, Hillary.

He doesn't really have anywhere to turn. Maybe he'll take the easy way out and admit he was wrong.

It's the Repukes, stupid. (not you, just paraphrasing cueball)

[KittyWampus]

85. your post makes no sense.

[SharonAnn]

95. Yes, and it got really bad with Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh.

The right-wing side is the divisive side. Remember the Congress before 2006? when a 'majority of the majority" had to support a bill before it would be brought for an "up or down vote"? No matter if the majority of members supported it. If some of those members were Democrats, they didn't count in the "majority of the majority".

[jackson_dem]

126. Look, it has been this way since Jefferson/Madison vs. Hamilton/Adams

In fact it was more vicious in the 18th and 19th century than it is now. Is Obama somehow going to eliminate the two party system? For as long as there are two parties with fundamentally different beliefs their will be political conflict.

Limbaugh doesn't create voters. It is the other way around. Voters who agree with the Limbaugh world view created him. Obama either doesn't understand this or just acts as if this isn't the case because he knows, as Bush and Rove proved, that "unity" sells.

[ruggerson]

135. the lack of historical perspective

is truly astounding

[TheDebbieDee]

116. "No more red vs blue! We're all Americans!"

I certainly HOPE you are right......:rofl:

[GoldieAZ49]

137. On the gooooood ship lollipop

Its a sweet trip to a candy shop
Where bon-bons play
On the sunny beach of Peppermint Bay.

[GDavis]

142. Everyone will come to Obama the uniter/savior!

[SammyWinstonJack]

190. ...

:silly:

[SammyWinstonJack]

189. ...

:spray: It's a miracle! :silly:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

12. Peggy Nooner is vile; she'll trash any Democrat.

If Clinton were still the front-runner Peggy would be sliming her, too.

[Fancifulactor]

14. David Brooks started on Obama three days ago, right after the Potomac sweep

Brooks acted as if he really liked Obama, until it was safe to attack him, since his public enemy #1, Hillary, is not likely to lose the nomination. That's when he published his column titled "When the magic fades".

[bridgit]

19. Micheal Medved started last week, Obama better grab his ass with both hands...

cause it's coming x(

[scheming daemons]

24. Do you think any of the millions of Obama supporters give a damn what Medved says?

Of COURSE the right wing will come after him. They'd come after Hillary too.


The difference is... with Hillary, they have more ammunition.

[Fancifulactor]

43. Lack of ammunition is never a problem for these mud slingers

Kerry had an honorable war career, and they turned it into the opposite.
The right-wing does not work with what's available. They make things up as they go.

[bridgit]

52. Most correct...

[Maven]

58. Yup.

Welcome to DU.

[scheming daemons]

60. Kerry wasn't as good of a candidate as Obama.... and he responded too slowly... Obama won't...

....

[DBoon]

120. We observe reality

they make reality

[Beausoir]

44. And Gore probably didn't care. And Kerry probably didn't care. So...Obama is more prepared to

handle criticism than either Gore or Kerry?

And you really believe that?

[scheming daemons]

57. some responses

A) Gore won.

B) Kerry was a horrible, establishment candidate who voted for the IWR. He was a male version of Hillary.

C) America, based on the numbers of self-identifying Democrats, is tired of the typical GOP crap.

D) 2006 began a sea change in American politics. The Red states are turning purple. The blue states are turning bluer. America began to resist the tactics of Karl Rove.

E) George Bush.

F) Record Democratic voting registrations.


Obama will surprise you with his toughness. Gore and Kerry were too wishy-washy on the counter-attack. Obama won't be.

[Maven]

63. "Kerry was a horrible, establishment candidate who voted for the IWR."

"He was a male version of Hillary."

And yet, I'm sure you cheered when he endorsed Obama.

[scheming daemons]

70. I'd welcome Walter Mondale, Mike Dukakis, and George McGovern's endorsements too....

Doesn't mean they weren't horrible candidates. They were.

[Beausoir]

72. Zing. That's gonna leave a mark.

BTW, John Kerry was a terrific candidate.

[scheming daemons]

79. John Kerry is a terrific man... but NOT a terrific candidate....

...he didn't fight back soon enough.

[Beausoir]

76. Uh...yeah. we ALL know Gore won. That's the whole point!

What makes you think that this kid from Chicago who has ZERO experience is going to be able to withstand the dirty tricks that are headed his way?

[scheming daemons]

80. Nothing I say will convince you....

...but you'll see.

[Beausoir]

177. Yes. I will see a MUCH less experienced candidate than Gore or Kerry, try and fend off the media.

You would do well to heed my words.

No more whining. IF he makes it to the GE....you guys had better be ready...on the first day.

[bridgit]

87. Yes! They've really really already bought that Fuller Brush, now they're just waiting...

for the salesman to come by and deliver it :thumbsup:

[bridgit]

51. That is so not even the point, Obama supporters think this will be a cake walk...

think what you will, it won't; it's going to be very-very nasty. Everyone will end up with shit on their shoes including Obama. Oh, and they did come after Hillary. Even so-called progressive talk radio yakking RW-lite talking points.

They'll be bringing out the "ammunition", sadly my sense is that they will just be ready as I had initially implied...there's no more call for, "My guy's made of teflon. He can walk through walls!"

Just be ready that's all I'm saying. The future favors they prepared.

[scheming daemons]

65. We are extremely lucky in who we are facing. McCain is a horrible candidate....

...plus... beginning in 2006, the American people began to stop listening to the Karl Rove's of the world.

[bridgit]

84. The problem with that is that horrible candidate or no; McCain has been fighting many...

significant demons for many many years longer than Obama ever thought he might have to. Like it or not, and to several varying degrees; McCain's family has been serving this country for generations. You can dis him all you care to (I personally think he's a volatile old goof), but that crusty old shit is going to show up and stuff shit down Obama's throat at each & every opportunity, believe it!!

[SharonAnn]

100. GWB was a horrible candidate. And he's an even worse president.

[anamandujano]

106. As a candidate he had the MSM behind him and they got him close

enough to steal the rest.

[scheming daemons]

113. GWB won because of a cum stain on blue dress....

...pardon my bluntness.


If that never happens, Gore wins in a double-digit blowout in 2000.

[Beausoir]

179. Man...how naive can you possibly get? Have you studied elections?

Do you honestly think that Obama, should he be the nominee, is going to just dazzle them with his smile and get their vote?

Where the hell have you been? If Al Gore could not get seated in the White House, due to dirty tricks, what qualifications does Obama have to go one better?

[Beausoir]

66. Lots of Obama kids are going to get a first class demonstration of real politics IF he gets to GE.

I have never seen a more naive group of people in my life.

And the whining! Already with the whining!

Grow up kiddies. This could get very ugly and you had best gird your loins for that.

There is nothing magical about Obama. He's no more teflon coated than Al Gore or John Kerry. Those two honorable men were savaged and cheated into the ground. You actually think this kid from Chicago is going to somehow fare any better?

[scheming daemons]

74. Yep...

A) Al Gore and John Kerry are VERY honorable men. But they weren't as teflon-coated as Obama. You'll see.

B) I'm not a "kiddie". My first vote was for Walter Mondale in 1984 (another honorable man who was a horrible candidate).

[BlackVelvet04]

99. Then you really don't have youth as your excuse for ignorance. n/t

[Beausoir]

174. Well, my first vote goes back much farther. And...a word to the wise young, folks...don't count on

Teflon to carry you through.

[Usrename]

86. Neither Gore nor Kerry had one-fourth the support of Obama.

Not even close.

You are not looking at this clearly.

[Fancifulactor]

89. Kerry was as strong or stronger than Obama is now at this point in 2004

Look it up in the late February poll.

[scheming daemons]

97. Kerry did not have this much enthusiasm behind him... he wasn't bringing in millions of NEW voters..

There is a massive amount of Dem registrations this time around that were MISSING in 2004.


Kerry had wide support.... but it was lukewarm, not red-hot like Obama's.

[Fancifulactor]

102. But how does this disprove the argument that the media will hurt Obama?

The question of who is a better candidate or who has more enthusiastic fans is irrelevant to the media treatment angle, don't you think?

Or you believe that the media will say, "oh man, Obama is so much better than Kerry. Let's pack our bags and leave him alone".?

[scheming daemons]

109. The "regular" media is afraid to attack a black man.... the right-wing noise machine will, but ...

..nobody cares what they think anymore.


CNN, MSNBC, USA Today, etc.... will continue to be VERY careful in their attacks on Obama.


His ethnicity is actually his biggest advantage against the MSM.


You'll see...

[Beausoir]

178. Don't confuse the youngsters with facts. Their Kool aid is going down pretty smooth right now.

You are, of course, correct.

These Obama kids seem to think he has it in the bag. And they are very sadly mistaken.

[GoldieAZ49]

149. That is what is crucial

All these new voters better stay tuned in, and not tune out when it gets ugly.

Those young voters better turn out on election day, not just for primaries and stump speeches.

[FrenchieCat]

94. Like what makes you so goddamn superior?

Who do you think you have impressed with that mind of yours.

Read our lips....if Obama is the Nominee, we are not scared of the right wing hate machine....

Just like you would claim not to be if Hillary was the nominee.

These "scare them" tactics aren't working.

Obama is a better candidate than is Hillary. Yes, that's right. The Black man with the mouth is a much better candidate than is Hillary...which is why he is beating her. And the reason he is beating Hillary has very little to do with Republicans. But keep on trying. Ya'll look desperate with your stale politics!

[DURHAM D]

112. Wow - the perfect definition of naive -

"we are not scared of the right wing hate machine..."

[bridgit]

96. There will be great gnashing of teeth & tearing of garments. I expect social disruptions...

if Obama is made to answer questions his supporters 'feel' he should not be asked of him, or required to answer. Even if & when he does get in...it will not be over, not even then. There is still DC itself to contend with. Where the environ is hip deep with snips, snarks & perks ah plenty. I wish he & his family every peace, joy & kindness; but it will not be as easy as he has suggested to they that have invested so much in his suggestions.

[dugggy]

131. The main RW ammunition against Obama is "Where is the beef"?

They have already started the attack theme...show me Obama's
accomplishments. At least one or two. There are none. That will
be the main theme of attack repeated over and over until the
voters start believing it as truth.

[GoldieAZ49]

18. I got an email today from my mom's cousin with a youtube link

and website:
Louis Farrakhan, Malcolm X comparisons, more plagiarism stuff, etc.

It has started. The GE is just warming up.

[Straight Shooter]

35. Yes, and a good friend of mine asked me today if Obama is a Muslim.

I just got off the phone with her about 20 minutes ago, gave her what information I could remember about Obama's biography, and made it very clear that he is a Christian, told her the name of the church, the story of his mother and father, and his grandparents.

My friends know I don't support him, but they also know they can come to me and I'll dispel any ridiculous rumors ASAP.

[Straight Shooter]

20. Peggy Noonan is the official banshee of the right wing media.

The fact that she has turned on not just Barack, but also Michelle, is a harbinger of right wing intentions.

[ruggerson]

33. At work a few of us were talking about how the slime machine

will use Michelle as a target in some of the same ways they used Theresa Kerry. Both are strong, outspoken women that can be caricaturized by rightwingers as controlling "shrews."

Hmm. Where have I heard that recently?

[Straight Shooter]

40. It's funny how strong, self-confident women are so frightening to the GOP.

;)

[anigbrowl]

38. Man, you guys are harsh. I like Noonan.

But then I read the WSJ quite often. Just because she's right-wing doesn't mean she's not worth a read.

[opihimoimoi]

21. Thats what they do....they have nothing else...do they?....Peggy will soon be joined by others

The Pub Slime Machine will work overtime...

they will Lie Cheat Steal ...this is ALL THEY DO.....

Will it work??? I most certainly hope wish pray not......

But then...ya never know...shit can happen....

[QC]

25. But...but...but...she was Obamanation's best friend just last week!

This must all be some terrible mistake!

[scheming daemons]

28. Um.... last week her column was right... this week it is wrong.... no big deal...

....

[anamandujano]

81. Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha!

Sorry.

[SammyWinstonJack]

191. ...

:evilgrin: Where are those obama supporters now? Care to address this?

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

26. Peggy Noonan?!

I don't know where to begin.

Perhaps with the way she cocks her head as she begins one of her daffy commentaries? I have never ever seen a woman so infatuated with her own fatuousness. She is just in a league by herself. I always see her playing the mother in a dinner theater "Glass Menagerie".

When she is on any talk show, look at the response shots of the host and any other pundits also appearing. They start off looking normal, and then they shift about uncomfortably, then they look around for a handler, then they thank her and hustle her off.

[GoldieAZ49]

156. She did very well on the Daily Show

Stewart seemed to enjoy the conversation, he did ask a few lewd questions that had her squirming.

[jillan]

27. linky?

[anigbrowl]

41. here you go

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120362912719783893.html

[jillan]

55. Thanks.

[anamandujano]

103. Tepid Noonan, can't launch a full scale attack until Hillary is completely

out of the picture. She's just dipping a toe in the water here.

(Noonan is obviously jealous of Hillary who, while she is arguably the equal to in smarts, has risen so much further than she.)

[ruggerson]

110. She's always been jealous of her

she's also very resentful of anyone who went to an ivy league school.

[emilyg]

172. WOW.

[mtnsnake]

29. It was inevitable

and it's only the beginning.

[knixphan]

30. don't cower

Shout back!

That's how you deal with outdated stupidity. You don't tell our candidate to be afraid! You fight!

[anigbrowl]

53. Fight what?

It's a pretty good guide to the tack the GOP at large is likely to take, and you can bet Axelrod & co. will have it clipped and pasted into their strategy scrapbook. Personally I welcome intelligent criticism of the kind that will come from the WSJ and so on, because those people (and their readers) are easy for Obama to communicate with.

What worries me is the stupid contingent that thinks Rush Limbaugh is an intellectual - they're the ones who are just going to vote against him because he's a democrat, because he's black, because he doesn't have a flagpole up his ass.

edit for tidy.

[ruggerson]

64. What she's doing is setting up a paradigm to creat a rift

between working class whites and the "yuppie" Obamas to whom all was handed on a silver platter by a liberal white American establishment.

She's very good at plumbing for resentment and anger amongst the so called "Reagan democrats." It's her entire shtick. I don't find it insightful at all. Predictable? Yes. Thoughtful. Hardly.

[anigbrowl]

155. You are way too paranoid

Sometimes a legitimate observation is just that, an observation. Snobbishness exists on the left - I can't speak for the Obama's but I'm certainly an intellectual snob.

I don't believe in political unity, for that matter. I believe in plurality and coalition-building. Pointing out that Obama needs to address his relationship with his base if he is to be successful in the GE is not necessarily a political wedgie. Seriously, how many working class dems read the WSJ? So, some GOPers may read it and think 'I'm gonna push that point real hard!'. Fine by me.

The sad thing to me here is everyone heaping invective on Peggy Noonan, an accomplished, thoughtful and skilled writer but one with whom they happen to disagree. If you want to get into the gutter, there are plenty of other targets worth picking on, many of whom have a broader (and far nastier) readership than Noonan; Michelle Malkin for example.

And let's face it, a whole LOT of DUers have been unloading on Obama in recent weeks claiming that he's not 'authentic enough' and he only appeals to 'latte liberals' and suchlike. The epitome of which is the sort of garbage we say the other day from Tom Baffenberger, with his diatribe about 'latte-sipping, prius-driving, Birkenstock-wearing trust-fund babies' - sounds almost identical to complaints about 'wine-sipping, sushi-eating, volvo-driving John Kerry' from the GOP in 2004. That kind of intellectual 'unity' I have no time for - it's true demagoguery, speaking to people's basest natures rather than their highest aspirations.

[anigbrowl]

31. Interesting

An intelligent and thoughtful column. I'm sure Obama and his campaign managers will keeps its lessons in mnd when running in the GE and try to strike a careful balance between the Camelot-redux narrative and gritty reality. I'd expect the summer to be fairly celebrational, and then a greater emphasis on personal responsibility, struggle, and humility as we go into November.

[zulchzulu]

42. Oh geeze. Did they expose how his middle name is Hussein, he doesn't wear a flag pin, he was...

...sworn in on the Koran, he is a Muslim, he wanted to be president in kindergarden, his wife hates America, he smoked weed and snorted coke, his mom was white, his dad was black, he plays basketball, he voted "present", he bought a big house....

Oh my! What are we to do!!!!

:boring:

[ruggerson]

50. No

she took an entirely new and different tack.

One that we're going to be hearing an awful lot of.

[scheming daemons]

93. It's a silly tack.... and it won't work.....

....you underestimate the mood of the American people since 2006....

...they're fed up with this crap.


The GOP is in disillusion... the only thing that can bring them out of that funk is ONE candidate. Hillary Clinton.

Hers is the only name that could get them to break out their checkbooks for John McCain.

[The Backlash Cometh]

47. You mean Peggy Noonan is Xeroxing her slime sheets?

[FARAFIELD]

48. she pines for the days or Raygun

She just cant believe that anyone but her beloved could get the same treatment (and I think its what conservatives really dont like about OBAMA)

[rodeodance]

49. Interesting

Just a week or so ago--she was ripping Hillary--and threads here were using Peggy as their evidence.

What a bunch of hypocrites! as OP says--enjoy your new friend

[ProSense]

54. The RNC sent out six anti-Obama releases yesterday

RNC FOCUSED ONLY ON OBAMA

McCain is their best candidate. LOL!

[Canuckistanian]

59. The crazy Dolphin lady?

If SHE dispproves of someone, you know it's not based in reality.

[anigbrowl]

68. Some folks here need a reality check

You don't have to agree with her, but she's a smart lady and a good writer. Heaven forfend we should avoid reading people who we disagree with. I have a lot of respect for Peggy Noonan even when I think she's got it wrong.

[Canuckistanian]

She lost me at the Elian Gonzalez story

Ever since, she's been "the Dolphin Lady"

[anigbrowl]

157. Heh, OK, I'll have to give you that one! That's witty /nt

[robbedvoter]

181. Does it follow you also respect her idol, St Ronnie? It would make sense, in some

sick sort of way...

[BeyondGeography]

62. Did she leave this part out?

[jillan]

67. Well now that he is the frontrunner and the inevitable one, we can expect

alot more of that coming his way.

:scared:

[scheming daemons]

88. So... Hillary Clinton, with $130 million and a powerful machine behind her...

...couldn't even take out a "young inexperienced" guy from Chicago, but she'd do better against McCain than Obama would?


This whole primary campaign has PROVEN that Hillary and her campaign are not prepared to take on John McCain and the GOP.


What have you seen from Hillary the past several months that makes you think she'd do a better job against McCain than Obama?


She blew a $130 million wad to come in second place in a party that she had ALL of the apparatus behind her.


Good that we found out how horrible a campaigner she is now.

[jillan]

108. What does that have to do with Peggy Noonan? Or the beginning of

the smear of Obama?

Obama is beating Hillary because he is better in the primaries than she it.

How is he going to be in the GE? That remains to be seen.
But hopefully he will be fantastic.

edited to add -
just because I like Hillary better than Obama doesn't mean that I want the dems to lose in November.

[scheming daemons]

115. It means that he is better equipped to take them on than Hillary....

...

A) better, smarter people working for him

B) lots and lots of $$$$

C) less baggage



He's ready to take them on... and he will.... successfully.


Nothing I say will convince you otherwise until you see it for yourself. Just watch.

[robbedvoter]

182. Some of those people working for him: Peggy Nooner& rest of MSM (so far)

W's fundraisers and GOP voters. But only temporary, so don't be so confident, OK? OP's point was - you are now losing some of those "amary people" working for you and gaining some new baggage instead.

[avrdream]

69. Once again:

WE KNEW THIS WAS COMING!

Let's see how it plays out, though.

[JohnnyLib2]

71. When you line up the lines of attack in this one thread--helluva battle coming.

IMO, it's naive to overestimate our prospective candidate or underestimate McCain and those who will back him. Better to be ready....

[AX10]

75. Strange, Obama supporters were supporters of Noonan..

just a few weeks back. You remember, when she attacked Hillary and defended Obama.
Strange how loyalties change so quickly.

[scheming daemons]

82. Agreeing-with-a-column != "supporter"

[Auntie Bush]

78. Now they will get a taste of what it feels like to have rightwing slime thrown in

your face the way Hillary and her supporters have. It ain't fun! What make matters worse is regurgitated by "fellow" democrats. At least Noonan
is a Rethug and the enemy.

[scheming daemons]

83. To quote another idiot fool: Bring it on.

...

[BlackVelvet04]

105. how'd that work out for him?

about the way it will for you guys.

[hedda_foil]

90. It's a perfectly fair piece. Not a hit job at all.

I agree that she's trying to set up a paradigm that Barack and Michelle are wrapped in a liberal cocoon and no longer understand the problems of regular Americans. They'll be able to deal with this kind of notion easily and gracefully -- as Barack has dealt with all the bottom of the barrel crap the Clinton oppo team has thrown at him.

[ruggerson]

104. No, she's going much further than that

She's saying that the liberal policies of the sixties and seventies, (subtext: busing and affirmative action) created both Obamas at the EXPENSE of working class whites.

It's a very devious, but very clever use of racial resentment.

And then of course she goes futher and completely nails them to the biggest bogeyman of all: the liberal establishment.

"Are the Obamas, at bottom, snobs? Do they understand America? Are they of it? Did anyone at their Ivy League universities school them in why one should love America?"

[GoldieAZ49]

107. thats what bugs me about it, it isn't a hit job, just a gentle sowing the seeds of doubt

[scheming daemons]

111. To a readership that is increasingly irrelevant.... relax....

...

[ruggerson]

114. do you know what the circulation of the WSJ is?

and when her narrative becomes the talking points for every rightwing Sunday morning commentator, do you know how many people that will reach?

[scheming daemons]

118. How many see it? Millions. How many it affects? not so much.....

You're seriously misreading the mood of the country right now.

[anigbrowl]

161. Ruggerson, in 3 months time...

assuming he wins the nomination, they'll be trying to pin the socialist label on him along with everything but the kitchen sink. The whole summer and fall is going to consist of RWers arguing that he's a commie Muslim fundamentalist whitey-hating poverty pimp who wants to bomb free Pakistan and sell us all to China instead of invading Iran like the bible says he ought to, as well as being a mulatto or whatever they can come up with that doesn't lose them their FCC license.

Peggy Noonan is not what worries me. The Bill O'Reilly set is what worries me, and they can come up with this shit just fine without Peggy Noonan's help.

[ruggerson]

167. Yes, but

the Bill O'Reillys and the Rush Limbaughs take their cues from their more highbrow counterparts: the National Review crowd and Peggy Noonan and David Frum, etc.

They take that narrative and then add to it and dumb it down for their respective audiences.

The case against the Obamas will be roughly as I posted it in #139. And then add in everything you've noted here, and voila.

And is Obama a bit hamstrung in responding in kind because of his bipartisanship, unity message? The dynamic may well be: they attack him, he defends himself and counterattacks and then they point and say "what happened to Mr. Unity?"

[robbedvoter]

122. So glad you prefer Nooner and the RW "fair" pieces to the Clintons' 'oppo"

You'll be seing plenty fairness in the near future! Enjoy!:hurts:
You're right - what was the worst has passed. It's all fairness from now on!:dunce:

[tishaLA]

123. all you have to do is see Michelle once to realize

that she's a "regular" American who has managed, against all odds, to achieve remarkable things. I agree that they will be able to deal with that charge easily; it will not ring true to anyone who looks at them fairly.

[ruggerson]

127. Hillary did not come from a privileged background either

but they did it to her. Starting in 1992. So successfully that many on the left now have adopted the same take.

[tishaLA]

133. I don't think that people see Hillary as

particularly unsympathetic to "regular" people (and we should make no mistake that Ms Noonan sees "regular" folk as white); the narrative is that she is cold, duplicitous, and calculating.

[ruggerson]

139. the narrative about Michelle

will be that she has used the benevolence of the liberal white establishment to attend those horribly elitist Ivy League schools and then she can't even say she's proud of the country that has given her so much. And that husband of hers, did you see that picture of him where he can't even put his hand over his heart during the national anthem?

Add in the links to Rezko, the story that Obama got his own mentor thrown off the ballot on a technicality when he first ran for state senate and his ties to 60's "terrorists" and you have the narrative fulfilled.

That will be the drumbeat. They will essentially try and turn them into the black version of the Clintons. Schemingly ambitious, morally bankrupt (Rezko), elitist doctrinaire liberals masquerading as healing uniters. In other words, frauds. Replete with an outspoken wife who doesn't know how to be the good little woman.

[tishaLA]

144. The thing is, it doesn't matter who the candidate is

because they will come up with a horrible narrative about anyone. The question is: can the Obama machine counter the attacks effectively? Can they keep up the optimistic vision of America Barack preaches?

I think they can because I believe Barack deals with those attacks very well: he dismisses them and says, "oh the old politics." I think they will be more successful painting Michelle negatively simply because any woman who speaks out is necessarily demonized, even when they are republicon women (i.e., Nancy). That's patriarchy, and she's no shrinking violet. But I think she is willing to withstand the bullshit. She is smarter than almost all of them, and has fewer trappings of haute bourgeois silliness than Nancy or, for example, Teresa Heinz.

[ruggerson]

158. I truly hope you're right

If he turns out to be more teflon than our recent candidates, it won't be because he's good at smiling and deflecting attacks. (I've watched when Hillary jabs him and he doesn't take punches well). It will be because we are generationally on the cusp of a new cycle. The pendulum swings historically every thirty or forty years, and let's hope Barack is the beneficiary of that timing.

[underpants]

98. She seems heartbroken that Reagan is now a black guy

Are they of it? <--- what kind of f*$&ing crap is that?

[robbedvoter]

125. This is hysterical! Love it!

[cooolandrew]

101. The best thing to keep our campaign positive for Obama is to mostly ignore the right and promote

Barack as enthusiastic as is humanly possible. It's all aabout shiny things, to the easily distracted that excludes DU, just go Barack shiny thing. ooo, shiny thing. Ok, not taking the general public for fools but Bush has proved that folks can be easilydistracted. Barack best thing since sliced beef.

[BlackVelvet04]

121. ........................

"that is, when you remove Mr. Obama from the words and take them on their own--you see the speech wasn't all that interesting, and was in fact high-class boilerplate."


no shit.....:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[ProSense]

130. .

Rangel: Hillary's Obama Attack Was a Dud

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Wait why am I laughing? Nervous?



:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:




Read

[jackson_dem]

129. This was the RW plan. Promote Obama and then savage him for the general

Apparently Noonan, Brooks and some other rethugs view him as the presumptive nominee and are going to work on him already.

[ProSense]

132. The RW doesn't have a chance!

I know you hope, falsely, that they do, but they don't.

[jackson_dem]

136. Lame. Calling me a rethug in a cowardly way

:eyes:

[ProSense]

140. "Calling me a rethug"? No, you are hoping that Obama loses to McCain, no,

you are certain he will lose to McCain.

Either way, that was not calling you a "rethug."

Desperate, but not a "rethug."

[jackson_dem]

150. "you are hoping that Obama loses to McCain"

That is about as close as you can get to calling someone a rethug here without having the guts to do so directly.

[ProSense]

162. Do you believe Obama can beat McCain? n/t

[jackson_dem]

169. After St. John's "straight talk express" lost a wheel? Yes

Although Hillary would be far more likely to defeat him and that is the main reason I am supporting her now that Edwards is out.

You are asking an irrelevant question anyway. I didn't think Edwards was likely to win but that didn't stop me from doing everything in my power to help him. I will do the same for our nominee, regardless of who it is.

[anamandujano]

134. They are starting out mildly, to say the least.

[robbedvoter]

141. Yup. Called it!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4528171&mesg_id=4528800

[Cameron27]

147. I think you're probably right.

[cottonseed]

159. I thought the plan was to have Hillary energize the conservatives.

This hubbub about the RW having something to do with Obama taking this thing seems a bit far fetched for me really. Additionally, when the GE starts, the RW will be attacked, belittled, and pushed aside. Americans are sick of this crap and I believe we'll be a better country by the time this is all over.

[Danger Mouse]

145. peggy noonan is filth no matter who she is ripping...

and i don't believe in using right wing scumbags to smear our guys and gals, even if they vomit out something i might agree with.

[robbedvoter]

151. True dat. See # 6 for the BO supporters thread - with long quote. This OP doesn't even

link to the idiot - merely reports the fact that she turned.

[cottonseed]

146. The entire right wing smear machine will be crushed.

Common sense, real folks, killing off the consultant class; this is the change I've been waiting for.

[robbedvoter]

153. And who will do the crushing? So far, you are the beneficiaries of the same machine

whether you admit it or not. See # 6 for previous setting of said "machine"

[cottonseed]

166. Good point. I'll crush them anways.

With my own two hands.

I know I'm being naive. When looking to Peggy Noonan for inspiration, I think good taste has to be suspended on both sides.

[robbedvoter]

184. I wish you good luck. No one here looks for inspiration to Nooner - although some of you

BO people did until recently

[AX10]

168. Yes they are.

They are allies of convenience.

[CyberPieHole]

148. I have to say it's high time the Obama's were treated without kid~gloves...

I don't agree with Peggy Noonan, but she is correct on one point: Michelle Obama has qualified her (and by proxy, Barack's) love for her country. The words she spoke about her never having been PROUD of her country (in adulthood) will reverberate...the RW machinery has taken those words and they will use them to carve a schism between the voters and Barack Obama. From such kernels...

Most of us who support Hillary told the silly Obamanations that the courtship they were living through with the RW media fawning over Barack Obama was just a ploy and a sham..."But, no...you don't understand...the RW media has changed...they are ashamed of what they did to Gore and then Kerry and they REALLY, REALLY LOVE Obama." Yeah, right! And Rush Limbaugh is going to campaign for Hillary.:eyes:

:kick: and rec

[robbedvoter]

154. Peggy is NEVER right - on any count - let's not fall in the same pitfalls.

But your second paragraph is right on.

[ProSense]

165. "Most of us who support Hillary told the silly Obamanations" What, that Hillary would win? Michelle:

Michelle Obama, wife of Democratic presidential hopeful
Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., addresses supporters at an
Obama campaign rally in Warwick, RI., Wednesday
evening , Feb. 20, 2008. Rhode Island holds their
presidential primaries Tuesday, March


Peggy Noonan's opinion on Michelle's pride is BS







edited typo

[ErnestoG]

173. Noonan's slime is a badge of honor.

That means Obama is on the right track.

[robbedvoter]

183. If so, Hillary wore it first (see #6). Your turn to be "honored" - have fun!

[Sensitivity]

175. NOONAN IS AN OBAMA GIRL. Here problem is with his wife.

[NastyRiffraff]

180. Well, fellow Hillary supporters, it looks like we'll have to do the heavy lifting

IF Obama wins the nomination. Too many of Obama's supporters have blinders on and somehow think, despite the recent past, that "this time it will be different, because it's OBAMA."

We're going to have to write people like Peggy "The first thing I noticed was his shoes" Noonan, and all the other bloviators who WILL attack; some subtly, some overtly viciously. We're going to have to nag the campaign if they don't answer the attacks RIGHT AWAY. Remember the swiftboaters?

It's tempting...very tempting...to let them find out for themselves. But I, for one, want a Democrat in the White House, even if it's far from my favorite Democrat.

I only hope to god Obama's campaign has more sense than what we're seeing here. Answering with "grace" ain't gonna cut it, folks. Neither is ignoring it. Ask John Kerry.

[ErnestoG]

185. How noble. How's that cross feeling?

[angie_love]

192. thank you nastyriff.

I know the wing nuts will attack and I hope we are prepared. I appreciate your honest post and I appreciate the fact that you will support the dem nominee no matter who it is.

[Elspeth]

193. Noonan's a tool

I don't even bother reading her crap

[dave123williams]

194. Oh. Does anybody really care what that dried up c*&nt thinks?