No gaming the system in TX??? Here it the Repug email ....

[Gloria]

http://republicansforobama.org/?q=node/359


E-mail to send to Texas Republicans


Attention All Texas Republicans and Independents!!

On March 4th, Texas Republicans and Independents will have an opportunity to end Hillary Clinton's (and Bill's) presidential ambitions once and for all!

Since Texas has on open primary, Republicans and Independents should sign in at their polling place and request a Democratic ballot. They should then vote for Barack Obama. Even James Carville admits that if Hillary loses Texas, "she's done!" Republicans can help make this a reality!!! Just think, no more Clintons in the White House!

Voting Democratic this one time will have NO effect on your ability to vote in the next Republican primary or obviously on your vote in November. Since John McCain has the Republican nomination locked up, voting for McCain or Huckabee at this point will have no effect on the outcome on the Republican side.

After you vote during early voting or on March 4th, you ARE NOT done! Report back to your regular polling place at 7PM on March 4th to sign the Barack Obama list for caucus delegates. In a little known Texas voting quirk, 67 delegates to the Democratic convention will be seated because of these caucuses. This is a full one-third of the total number of Texas delegates. For Hillary to lose, she has to lose the primary votes AND the caucus votes.

I urge you to vote against Hillary Clinton by voting for Barack Obama. Please forward this e-mail to all your Texas Republican and Independent friends so that we can help ensure the Clinton's defeat on March 4th!!!

[SammyWinstonJack]

1. K&R!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

13. Recomend & kick this up !!!

[thunder rising]

2. Republicans are no less American than anybody else and this is not "gaming" it's democracy.

[Clovis Sangrail]

9. no, it IS gaming the system

Our current system is an attempt to provide an approximation of democracy, but it is filled with flaws.
This is merely exploiting one of those flaws.

Actual democracy would be something along the lines of IRV or proportional voting of some kind.

[NashVegas]

20. It's Totally Gaming the System

It's not against the rules, but the main reason there's no rule against it is because those who put it in play assumed fair-play - ie, sincerity - on the part of those who'd be using it.

[goldcanyonaz]

3. This sucks, but they've been doing it since Iowa. They're obviously smarter than us.

[Ken Burch]

8. You CANNOT put every Obama victory down to Republican tricks.

Obama's victories are just as much legitimately DEMOCRATIC victories as HRC's. Obama is not a closet Republican and there is no reason for anyone to think he's not the strongest candidate in the fall. At this point, there can be no good reason for Dems NOT to nominate the strongest candidate in the polls.

Nobody who was ever weaker than another possible Dem nominee in the polls ever went on to win in the fall.

[goldcanyonaz]

15. Please tell me why her national poll numbers have held up then? She should be around 28% by now.

Don't count on this GOP voters to vote for Obama in the fall. That's why the wedge between Obama and Clinton camps must be healed, by either a compromise, or by some other agreement.

We ain't all on the same team anymore, can't you tell?

[mckeown1128]

19. Excuse me.

My wife is a republican who "crossed over" to vote for Obama and she plans on voting for him again in November. I'm pretty sure the majority of Republican's who cross over are legitimate.

[revolve]

23. My Republican Co-Workers

Are Planing On Voting Obama In November

[BlackVelvet04]

50. sure n/t

[NashVegas]

21. That's a Good Point. Pollsters Call Dems - Not Republicans

To ask who they'll be voting for in the primary.

[Ken Burch]

46. Yes, the wedge must be healed.

Starting a thread that is clearly based on the premise that "If Obama wins or even comes close in Texas, it won't really count because of 'Republican trickery'" is hardly the way to achieve such healing.

Obama may be nominated. HRC may still, somehow, be nominated.

But HRC people must accept(as Obama people will accept if the results at Denver go against them without figuring in the superdelegates and Michigan and Florida)that the nomination of the the candidate they currently oppose is legitimate.

It's time to give the "Obama's victories don't count" meme a decent burial. All wins are wins, and all wins are equal.

[BlackVelvet04]

51. Don't count on this woman's vote either......n/t

[ElsewheresDaughter]

16. no they are on Obama tricks too........

[Ken Burch]

47. Clinton sought non-party supporters in caucus and open-primary states too.

That tactic has NEVER been limited to Obama. And all of Obama's victories are just as legitimate as all of HRC's.

[Windy]

4. And I have a friend in Texas who tells me that right wing radio is urging the opposite. Vote for HRC

The right wing wants to run against Hillary. They have been preparing for her for years. She has proven that she can't run a decent campaign.

That is a singular email. Right wing radio, which reaches thousands, is urging the opposite.
That is way Obama supporters better pound the pavement and man the phones!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

10. Dick Morris went on Fox News and told "all Texas Republicans to vote for Obama" FACT

[enid602]

5. translation

Translation: Texans, this is your last chance to defeat unmandated universal health care.

[Ken Burch]

6. The only way this would have any validity

Would be if it STILL actually went without saying that HRC was an inherently superior and tougher candidate than Obama. Or if that had ever actually been the case. The fact that Obama runs stronger against McCain than HRC does in EVERY poll that's been taken for the last four months proves that it is not in the GOP's interest to stop HRC.

She's the one they want to run against.

She's the one they think they have a better chance of beating.

And, unfortunately, the polls PROVE she's the one they have a better chance of beating.

There is no electability-based reason to vote for HRC in Texas or Ohio.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

7. I have been screaming this fact from the rooftop for almost a year here and people here don't get it

[ElsewheresDaughter]

11. just like Obama campaing district captian did in NE with these flyers......

[Warren Stupidity]

12. Oh No! Not The Email! We Are Screwn!

I guess if you need a theory to explain your loss other than 'the other guy ran a better campaign and more people voted for him', this will do.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

14. here's a theory for you from Obama peeps......Obama's NE flyers......

[Warren Stupidity]

26. Uh? So Obama is part of the conspiracy?

You aren't actually making any sense.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

37. these flyers were made and put out by Obama's team in NE....here's the link

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/14/obama-nevada-flyer-you-can-be-a-democrat-for-one-day


.

[Warren Stupidity]

38. So Obama is part of the right wing conspiracy to nominate Obama?

Again, do you realize that you are sputtering nonsense?

[UALRBSofL]

39. This is what I call Legal Gaming Of The System

And, in Real Life, we don't know what there true intension's are. All I have read is speculations. What we will know is when the GE occurs, then we will know there intension.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

40. too late then

[Warren Stupidity]

59. Yeah, no way we want those independent and disgruntled republican votes.

They can take their votes and shove them where the sun don't shine. We only want pure Democratic votes.



















:sarcasm:

[Exilednight]

17. OH CRAP!!! LOOk WHAT I FOUND ON THEIR WEBSITE...

It says "Throughout the Presidential campaign, RepublicansforObama.org will continue to serve as an online forum for the growing number of Republican Obama supporters to discuss the election, and to encourage other Republicans to embrace Obama’s message of unity and competency and support his candidacy."

They really believe his message and want him to win, not only the primary, but the general as well. Sneaky ass republicans wanting to change our country by putting a Democrat in the oval office.

[high density]

25. What a bunch of bastards!!

Where do these Republicans get off thinking that they can support a Democrat in the general election?! What crazies they are. :sarcasm:

(And in the regards to the OP, this looks like a post on the "forums" part of their website. It doesn't look like an official distribution of this group.)

[Gloria]

41. But the email says that it will not affect their ability to vote for McCain

in the general...wink, wink...

You watch that website either suddenly go out of business OR change it's tune.....They are faking you out....

[Pavlovs DiOgie]

18. errr..

The site you provided is from a group of people actually FOR Obama. It's not like they are pushing the Obama vote so they can vote for McCain in the fall. They want Obama to BE POTUS. The unity idea is actually working - many republicans are voting for Obama because they like him. Imagine that. From the About Us part of the website you linked:

RepublicansforObama.org is a grassroots organization founded by proud party members who all share one important trait— we are Americans first and Republicans second. (Even if it is a close second.) Collectively, we have campaigned, worked for, and voted Republican all our lives, but recognize that our Country needs a new kind of leader at this time. While there will always be important issues on which thoughtful Americans will disagree, there are others that cannot be up for debate— our economic prosperity and our standing in the world.

Senator Obama has rejected the politics of division and the win-at-all-costs attitude that has hurt our ability to move forward as a nation. While we as Republicans will not always see eye to eye with a President Obama, we know that his politics of competency and unity will lead to a stronger America.

-RepublicansforObama.org

[GDavis]

22. My RW neighbor showed me this as well

both he and his wife have voted BO according to instructions

[thoughtcrime1984]

31. Good!

Obama for President!

[HeraldSquare212]

24. If Republicans could really motivate their supporters, they wouldn't care who the Dem nominee is

Besides, this could just as easily be a McCain ploy to keep people from voting for Huckabee. The message in the e-mail is just trying to reinforce the notion that the Rep race is over.

[sueragingroz]

27. Karl Rove is jonesing in his pants right now at the prospect of a BO win /nt

[high density]

29. Yeah, cuz Hillary Clinton has no baggage at all

??? Don't you guys ever get tired of posting the same sorry shit over and over and over?

[Perky]

28. PLEASE NOTE: THIS IS NOT FROM THE REPUKE PARTY

It is from a group of Republicans. Possiblr RINOs who are fed up with the regime, but believe in small government and a strong defense..They probaby are not social conservatives. They obviously are not NeoCons.

They are anti Hillary for sure.

If we want people who fit that model to vote for us in November we should embrace them and then ignore them.

Now as for this email blech...:vomit: There tact shold be Pro-Obama and Anti-McCain, but the Anti-Hillary stuff, while justified in their own minds...is very ugly.

[high density]

30. The OP is a forum post by one of the group's supporters

Reading this and then assuming that it's the official verdict of the group would be like reading your post and saying it was the official word of DU. The OP is being very dishonest here by posting this IMO.

[Perky]

32. It was not an email?

[high density]

33. Doesn't look like it to me

It looks like something this supporter is recommending to the group.

"Home » Forums » Why I'm a Republican for Obama » RFO Members Speak Out"

"Email to send to Texas Republicans"

If this was an official communication I think it would be in a different part of the site. We have no idea who "afnighthawk" is beyond that he's able to post on the forums part of their website.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

34. Whether this is really from the Repug party or not ..

one thing is true. The repug nominee is selected. Repug primary votes are useless.

So if they think they can do damage by voting Dem, I don't care. Our two leaders are not all that far apart, despite the mayhem on this board. Either one will do fine as prez.

A while ago, there was some talk about Dems voting for Romney in MI, because voting for any Dem was a waste of a vote. I don't know how much of that happened. Probably some. It was also "gaming the system", and great sport. (I didn't do that, I voted "uncommitted", meaning "Edwards")

[high density]

35. They don't want to do damage

They are Obama supporters!! READ THE SITE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

42. Yeah, I read it

vote dem now, stop Clinton

then, vote rep in Nov.

It sounds like they're trying to nominate what they think is the easier candidate to beat in the GE. I don't see them as Obama supporters, just Clinton-haters who will support McCain in the end.

These are probably the same repugs who will arrange some big campaign contributions for Nader. Because they're "gaming" to win.

[tekisui]

36. They aren't inflicting damage, they are helping a fine candidate.

And, the pukes couldn't get the Indys to go puke this year if they paid them. This is a bullshit, stop the bleeding campaign.

The pukes can't draw voters this year, so they send out bullshit stories to give the appearance it is organized and intentional.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

60. No they are not. You don't understand how this works in Texas

There are two ballots. One will ALL the Republican races and one with all the Democratic ones.

It's a red state so MANY of the races are Republican against Republican. My ballot is half the size of the Republican one in my county.

There are several local and state races on the Republican ballot that I don't have on mine. Many of these are VERY important local races such as, sheriffs races, county attorneys, constables, district attorneys, etc. Then they also have some contested appeals judges to vote on not to mention they have a national senatorial challenge taking place. I don't know many Republicans who are worried about the national senatorial race to be honest, but the other races are important to them.

This year I don't get a say in who our new sheriff is going to be because only Republicans are running for that position. It's been a bitter and heated race and I won't get a say in the outcome since it's not on my ballot.

[OzarkDem]

43. Its no longer a secret, GOP wants Obama

He will be much easier to defeat in November.

[Ken Burch]

48. The candidate who is weaker in the polls now always has to be the weaker candidate.

There IS no case for HRC being more electable, and you know it. Stop the dishonest memes already.

[busymom]

44. I posted this a week ago and was called a troll.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

53. don't take it to heart they call me one too ....PROUD to be a Hillary gal

[JimGinPA]

45. So This Is How You Want To Rationalize Hillary's Defeat?

Right-wing conspiracy? Laughable.


:rofl:

[BlackVelvet04]

49. and where will all those voters be in the G.E.?

Pulling the lever beside John McCain's name.

dumbass obama supporters.

[grantcart]

52. Oh my and here is proof that it was a Clinton plant that started it

quote

This thread and email are perfect ammunition for Clinton. It is being used in a major way to create anger amongst democrats and is having a significant impact.

If you want to support Obama in the primary and the general but to vote "temporarily" in the primary to vote for someone else in the general is unethical and stands against what Obama stands for.

This email fits Clinton interests so well that I wonder if anyone can vouch for the poster or if he is in fact a Clinton poser who is trying to create a negatiive image of Obama

unquote

Of course if you hit the link and scroll you will see that it was sent by me. It is as valid and as significant the original post was. Meaning zero.I have sent an email to the head of Republicans for Obama to take this off but it may be slow for him to respond - he is currently serving in the reserves in Afghanistan.

The letter should be pulled but the fact that it hasn't is simply evidence of a amatuerish run forum (as opposed to how well you guys run this one).

What bothers me about this and the dozen threads that have erupted today is one of proportion. Yes its stupid but it is also irrelevent. Yesterday 30,000+ attended a rally in Austin that had exactly 24 hours of preparation. The lack of proportion and the attempt to undermine these significant historical events is unfortunate and cheapens our debate here. After each of Obama's victory the next day we are presented a rationale why the events of the previous day were not significant and that the campaign must continue.(That this email serves that purpose so perfectly makes me wonder if that was not the author's original intent.)

We are not able to stop every stupid email on every forum. All I hope to do is to stop the assertion of these threads that what is happening is not legitimate. Texas will count.I know that upsets you. Sorry about that

[TexasObserver]

54. This is a stupid Meme, because in Texas Republicans have to vote in their primary if ...

... if they want to have any say in all the contests locally they do care about. If they want to vote for their choice for congress, for state senate, for state rep, and for many other offices, they have to vote in THEIR primary.

You can't vote for president in the Democratic primary without passing up entirely the Republican primary, as in all states.

Texas does not require party registration, so you choose on primary election day which primary in which to vote. Because of this feature, many independents jump back and forth from election to election, depending on which primary appeals most to them that year. These people may trend Republican in presidential elections, but they are not Republicans and will tell you they are not.

Many of those folks ARE excited about Obama, and may vote for him. But it is not because of any email that some Clintonista or some Republican hater may have sent.

[Johnny__Motown]

55. Everyone knew that there were lots of Hillary Haters, why does this surprise you? Wasn't she ready ....

for this from day one?


Guess not

[ElsewheresDaughter]

61. spoken like a true republican cicada

[grantcart]

56. I wish these republicans would all get the same memo

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4726738&mesg_id=4726738


Texas Republicans have worked overtime to make it harder for key Democratic voting groups to vote and be represented fairly. The redistricting games they’ve played are infamous. And for the Prairie View A&M University precincts, they put the early-polling place more than seven miles from the school.

So what did the students in this video do? They shut down the highway as they marched seven miles to cast their votes on the first day of early voting.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/23/11362/8581?deta...

[blogslut]

57. Have you actually looked at that site?

I mean the whole site, past the one posting by a member of their online community. Have you done that? Have you looked into their WHOIS info? I have. This is not any sort of official RNC site. It is registered to a private citizen. Note how there's no RNC disclaimer at the bottom of the page?

Did you really, actually take a good look at what you're slamming?

I wish you would. Then maybe you would stop being so silly.

[jlake]

58. K&R For the Truth

[Hoof Hearted]

62. K&R for becoming One with the repukliclans.

[robbedvoter]

63. The telling paragraph - re: BO's new base:

"Voting Democratic this one time will have NO effect on your ability to vote in the next Republican primary or obviously on your vote in November. Since John McCain has the Republican nomination locked up, voting for McCain or Huckabee at this point will have no effect on the outcome on the Republican side. "