MSNBC Reporting....Dems Are Writting Off Hillary...

[rsmith6621]

...Being reported this morning........many democratic leaders are saying Obama momentum is unstoppable and it's all but over for Hillary.

[JKaiser]

1. I am not writing her off! I just donated to her campaign! GO HILLARY

[rodeodance]

5. :-)

[Debi]

16. That's great - maybe now she'll pay her Iowa staff or her $7.6 million in other debts

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M2/C00431569/D_DEBTS_C00431569.html

[JKaiser]

18. that's a nasty thing to say.. Every little bit helps!

[rodeodance]

25. many of them can't help themselves--hate does that people

[JKaiser]

27. Thanks!:)

[Debi]

35. It's not hate - it's disbelief! She told the media that her staff was getting paid

She lied - check her FEC report look at how many people didn't receive pay in January!

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M2/C00431569/D_DEBTS_C00431569.html

[Debi]

34. Tell that to the college students that didn't get paid

Or the different Hy-Vee stores across the state that the campaign owes over $10,000 to. Think they'll just eat the loss? NO they'll pass it on to their customers whether they were Clinton supporters or not.

Tell it to the small school districts, YWCAs, YMCAs and Boys and Girls Clubs that still have to pay the staff for working on the days the Clinton rallies were held as well as the cost of opening up and lighting/heating/cleaning their buildings - who will cover their losses? Not the Clinton campaign they haven't paid for the venues yet.

Tell it to the owners of the small hotels and pizza places that were promised payment - their staff will get paid and suppliers will get paid but they won't. Where will the money come from.

Please to contribute all you can to her campaign - help her pay her PAST DUE bills.

[Zachstar]

48. Agreed!

Please contribute all you can so these people can get what is owed. Dont let this crap follow her into 2012.

Common Clinton supporters give her a fighting chance in 2012! Ask her to give it to Obama so he can work on getting rid of that scumbag the republicans decided they wanted to push aside Ron Paul for.

[Colobo]

56. What a great post!

[Debi]

63. It's all true too!

Unlike Clinton tell the media that her staff would NOT be working without pay x(

[Cha]

69. Nasty since it's true but it's

no one's fault but the inevitable hilary campaign.

[Debi]

81. Who lied to America when she said her staff was NOT working without pay n/t

[democrattotheend]

33. She hasn't paid her Iowa staff?

That's disturbing if it's true. I know money is tight, but they (and every campaign) ought to make staff salaries and payments to small vendors a priority. The field staff already work for next to nothing, and a lot of them are right out of school and trying to pay off student loans. They can't afford to just not get paid.

[Debi]

45. Here's a link to her debts through January 31st

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M2/C00431569/D_DEBTS_C00431569.html

Individuals who haven't been paid:

Ahn, James 1,008.00
Alberg, Ian 1,122.74
Albert, Matthew 552.00
Almond, Ronce 528.80
Archer, Lowell 1,132.11
Backstrom, Elsa 764.22
Bailey, Charla 826.08
Ballard, William 529.80
Barcham, Alex 548.10
Berry, Katie 751.80
Bhatia, Puja 1,000.80
Biancuzzo, Martin 594.32
Bond, Jason 504.60
Bourne, Sara 792.60
Brand Sphere 37,189.14
Callanan, Ryan 549.81
Canady, Clinton 1,144.86
Caponetti, Emily 579.00
Cavanaugh, Rebecca 901.60
Cavendish, Georgiana 797.80
Chaudary, Amina 511.19
Chung, Jason 375.00
Cohn, Dana 643.50
Davis, Darrin 605.70
Deaf Services Unlimited 1,345.00
Defilippi, Karen 557.21
Densmore, Andrew 681.12
Denton, Robert 540.00
Dickerson, Phyllis 910.00
DiMarzio, Jennifer 559.51
Duncan, Audrey 1,353.09
Dwayne, Nicholas 1,007.70
Endicott, Abigail 1,034.17
Evans, Zachariah 509.10
Eve, Malcolm 1,350.00
Everett, Eric 723.66
Everhart, Maisha 1,193.63
Fagella, Daniel 679.85
Filippova, Alexandra 1,065.13
Finke, Samantha 517.00
Fogel, Harold 719.27
Fogel, Lawrence 686.25
Friedman, Joshua 544.24
Galacki, Justin 531.30
Gallagher Bluedorn 1,505.00
Gardner, Meagan 687.85
Gelber, Ethan 614.93
Goodman, Meghan 955.80
Gotham Acme 16,416.67
Gowen, Christopher 754.91
Greelish, David 720.00
Grew, Connor 0.00
Grover, Shilpa 888.00
Gussman, Joel 541.93
Hamre, Lori 748.50
Hansen, Kate 1,239.11
Hart, Stephanie 923.15
Hayler, Christopher 1,056.17
Heimsoth, Bridget 561.90
Holm, Ashley 701.82
Houtte, Ellissa 698.70
Ickes, Harold 2,489.96
Indovina, Brian 1,019.34
Isabella, Carmela 549.89
Jackson, Darrell 643.40
Jackson, Yusef 1,051.50
Johnson, Lily 503.40
Kasselman, Lane 715.25
Keigher, Connolly 1,018.44
Kippins, Kristine 631.52
Klaus, Evan 1,518.34
Knorpp, Clinton 955.80
Krupke, Jessica 883.20
Lampkin, Rhonda 660.54
Landry, Doug 3,530.71
Lavender, Betsy 2,007.07
Le, Gary 585.90
Lee, Kristin 839.85
Levine, Marc 758.38
Levy, Fabien 630.60
Lewis, Ann 0.00
Lichtman, Judith 685.44
Linsky, Arielle 625.08
Lipshutz, Jonathan 1,114.34
Litwer, Lach 639.38
Lombardi, Keith 609.00
Love, Kimberlin 0.00
Maguire, Molly 904.80
Maltzman, Samantha 0.00
Mannina, Jamie 502.08
Martinez, Cynthia 519.21
Mayfield, Monty 0.00
Mays, Gregory 731.86
Mcclendon, Marcus 684.74
McGhaw, Kevin 627.25
Miles, Brittany 955.26
Miller, Michaela 1,315.80
Millman, Jeffrey 685.19
Mitchell, Megan 1,064.05
Moch, Darryl 942.66
Mook, Robert 0.00
Moran, Robert 689.96
Morrow, Kate 519.60
Mortimer, Loren 890.10
Nacheman, Max 659.33
Narayanan, Satish 1,094.42
Nerpel, Josh 798.82
Nooyi, Preetha 912.00
O'Sullivan, Brendan 730.20
Padilla, Patricia 1,045.53
Pepek, William 539.13
Peters, Darren 540.00
Piter, Amanda 550.74
Pollard, Scott 774.31
Ransom, Amy 577.20
Raye, Curtis 626.40
Reilly, Matthew 1,173.11
Richmond, Alexander 560.40
Ross, Abbe 1,658.09
Ruan, Victoria 886.32
Scott, Jamie 542.58
Sergent, Rebekah 516.29
Shaw, Stella 1,096.82
Shyu, Elisa 1,088.54
Siegel, Avra 2,565.47
Singiser, Dana 549.00
Smalls, Dawn 581.11
Smiley, Elizabeth 551.19
Smith, Edward 620.00
Starr, Denise 611.23
Stout, Robert 1,305.00
Thompson, Sean 645.78
Tolls, Leatrice 814.50
Ulmer, Corrine 579.80
Vilmain, Teresa 1,339.33
Wakeling, George 1,070.32
Waldo, Charlotte 752.09
Walker, Clarey 1,004.56
Walker, Rebekah 637.14
Wayne, Christopher 1,056.62
Welker, Catherine 600.60
White, Keith 1,168.80
Williams, Christopher 731.70
Williams, Margaret 561.00
Winterhof, JoDee 1,257.47
Worl, Travis 792.89

Link to Clinton staff and advisors (IA):

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/clinton/clintonorgia.html

There's many names that match.....

[Yael]

66. Thank you

Hopefully she will pay her debts to the individuals and businesses that have open invoices.

[BigDaddy44]

76. Dunkin' Donuts and Pizza Hut thank you for your contribution

N/T

[CatnHat]

80. Go Hillary

I too am not writing her off. Let the media hacks, the rabid Obama supporters say what they will. If anyone can pull off a win, it's Hillary.

[H2O Man]

2. It seems to be

the case. It is better for the democratic party if she steps aside before the Texas-Ohio contests.

[rodeodance]

28. I disagree. It is better to let the primary season play itself out with voter input --not

shut it down.

It is better for the democratic party if she steps aside before the Texas-Ohio contests.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. The Fact That Obama Is Falling Behind McDaddy In The Rasmussen Poll Should Give People Pause

I know it's one poll and it is Republimussen so it should be taken with a large grain of salt but Obama will never be riding higher than he is now and McDdaddy will never be riding lower... It's as good as it gets for Obama and as bad as it gets for McDaddy...

Yeah, McDaddy is beating Hillary too but he's beating her at her lowest point...

[H2O Man]

36. It is

entirely up to Senator Clinton to make that decision. But there is nothing wrong with democrats who want her to step aside now to speak up -- any more than it is wrong for Clinton supporters to voice their opinions.

Even within the Clinton campaign, there are differences of opinion. Some people want her to attack Obama more, and others do not think that would help her or the democratic party. There are very real concerns about what a negative campaign could do to the party. I think that Senator Clinton is aware of the potential harm that the advocates of negativity represent.

[goldcanyonaz]

NEVER!

[rodeodance]

3. tell me again how the media so likes Hillary.

[skipos]

12. The media told us she would be our nominee for the last year

Then the voters of Iowa stopped the coronation.

OT, but how come you didn't apologize for lying in that other thread (about Obama getting Repub votes in MI, even though you know he wasn't on the ballot)?

[rodeodance]

19. I did not buy into that media created "truth"--then, and do not now. ....

The media told us she would be our nominee for the last year

[VotesForWomen]

77. no, actually, they claimed 'other people' were saying she was ineveitable, but you rarely ever heard

anyone actually *say* she was inevitable. it was actually a typical passive-aggressive attack on hill by the MSM.

[no_hypocrisy]

4. I really appreciate the media taking the time to make decisions on

behalf of the DNC, and ultimately of myself.

:sarcasm:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. Maybe They Will Take A Second Look When They See Obama Is Losing To McDaddy

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows that John McCain has gained ground against Democratic frontrunner Barack Obama. In a general election match-up, McCain now leads Obama 46% to 43%. He also leads Hillary Clinton 47% to 44% .


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


It's one poll and it is "republimussen" so I would take it with a large grain of salt... I also note McDaddy is beating Hillary but he is beating Hillary when she is at her nadir but he is beating Obama when he is at his apex ...

[rodeodance]

40. umm. interesting---a few threads will tell a better story as you know. but telling non the less.

[goldcanyonaz]

7. This "news" actually makes my support for her even stronger.

[rodeodance]

51. so little can actually be called "news" nonadays. sickening.

[Cameron27]

8. MSNBC wrote Hillary off after Iowa,

so they're very impatiently waiting for her to concede. I don't take much of what MSNBC reports too seriously anymore.

[goldcanyonaz]

9. And, New Hampshire, Nevada, Super Tuesday.

[bigtree]

10. not this Dem

Go Hillary!! :kick:

[journalist3072]

11. Remember the last time they wrote off Hillary, she pulled an upset in New Hampshire

I remember just hours before the results from New Hampshire started coming in, reading all these articles from the MSM...stating things such as "On the verge of being rejected by voters once again" nad "Facing another defeat at the hands of Barack Obama" and then what happens? She wins New Hampshire.

[JKaiser]

13. I am not letting the media write her off!! THEY did the same thing to edwards!

[SammyWinstonJack]

14. Yes they did.

:grr:

[Ivote]

21. I Will Not Write HILLARY Off

msnbc has been attacking her & Bill for 16 years
That's how Tweety & Tucker got started if any one here recalls

[Seabiscuit]

15. Self-delete.

[IADEMO2004]

17. MSNBC is always balanced

A repub that hates Clinton and a democrat that hates Clinton, a man that hates Clinton and a woman that hates Clinton, a host that hates Clinton and a reporter that hates Clinton.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. You Noticed That

They had a left wing talk show host and a right wing talk show host and they were united by their bashing of Hillary...

They must think we are idiots...

[Rosemary2205]

I wonder why so many people hate her?

You are right. The media and many political types who personally know her just don't like her. They may respect her accomplishments and political power, they may agree with many of her political viewpoints and want to work with her, but I do not hear of very many "inside" people actually LIKE her.

[Cameron27]

46. That's the truth,

and they started running their Obamathon shortly before the debate in which Russert served a silver platter filled with Clinton attacks to Edwards and Obama.

CNN capitulated to the Obama camp's request and removed Paul Begala and James Carville as pundits, but allowed Carl Bernstein, Roland Martin, Jack Cafferty and others to rip her apart every night, without any challenge.

[Eurobabe]

22. 11 of 17 people on this thread are

ignored.

What a riot! God I love ignore user feature. :hi:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. Am I On Ignore?

I don't understand the "ignore" function...

Respectfully, if a person can not hear dissenting views and respond to them from the anonymity of a computer how can they be expected to demonstrate the self-confidence to respond to dissenting views in real life...

[ginnyinWI]

41. I never ignore just because of dissenting views

I put people on Ignore when they name-call, whine excessively, and generally act like infants.

[Eurobabe]

60. That's how 138 people got on my list.

WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAHAHHAAAAAAAA!!!!

:hi:

[jmg257]

31. Hey off topic question - what happens when you "ignore" someone? You can see their name not their

post? or what?

Thanks!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. I Don't Think You Even See Their Name

I think it says "name removed" or "ignore"...

[TexasObserver]

42. The poster cannot possibly know if there are 17 people or one who posted 17 times.

All it says is IGNORED for each post by any person you have on IGNORE.

Frankly, anyone who makes such posts is just being pissy. I have people on IGNORE, but I never post "well, I see someone I have on IGNORE just posted in response" or crap like that. If one wants to tell another "I'm putting you IGNORE" and does it, fine. DONE. OVER. No point in ever mentioning it again.

I put people on IGNORE for chronically making stupid posts, no matter who they support or claim to support. People who start three threads on primary nights, THEN start bumping their OLD threads since they used their 3 thread limit, also on IGNORE.

The point of IGNORE is to get them off your screen, not to prance around threads and say "well, I see that 17 posters on this thread are IGNORED!!"

It's a shield, not a sword, and should be used accordingly.

[jmg257]

44. Thanks for the info! Appreciated! nt

[TexasObserver]

72. de nada, cabron!!

"you're welcome, bro"

[Cameron27]

55. Thanks,

very well stated.

[TexasObserver]

75. de nada, señora

Here's a little Texas song no one but Texans know, by a guy named Gary P. Nunn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGukLuXzH1E

[Eurobabe]

If you hit ignore user

you can choose whether you want to ignore thread, replies or PMs or all three. Most people on my list are trolls that I have chosen to completely ignore on all fronts. In the words of Anthony Soprano they are "dead to me."

:rofl:

[yourguide]

43. LOL, I have 6 posts on this thread on ignore...

hahahaha.

[JBoy]

62. Republicans don't like hearing anything they disagree with either.

[Karmadillo]

23. MSNBC with a negative report on Hillary? Wow! Shocker!!! Who'd have expected it?

nt

[BootinUp]

52. not me, lol.

[rodeodance]

59. simple SHOCKING!

sarcasm button on

[rock]

24. I'm content to let the voters have their say n/t

[Straight Shooter]

53. Peaceful, succinct response.

Well said. :thumbsup:

[mudesi]

26. Mathematically, it is over

The probability of her winning is very, very slim. Multiple delegate count threads have been started on this topic.

[Ravy]

49. All I have seen use the same premises that

a) Florida and MI will not be seated and
b) Superdelegates will vote with whoever wins the most pledged delegates.

I am not sure about either of those assertions.

[Orsino]

65. Seems premature to me, too.

I'm not sure there's an honest way to turn things around.

[rodeodance]

68. you are right---What the future holds is uncertain, yes so many ASSumptions.

[democrattotheend]

30. It's premature

I am an Obama supporter, but I hate how the media does this. They were ready to write her obituary after Iowa too, and it looked like it was going to be a repeat of four years ago, when Dean was written off after Iowa and never given a chance to recover. Even though I support Obama, part of me was glad to see the voters of New Hampshire stand up this year and say "not so fast".

If she does not win Texas and Ohio, it might be time to start talking about her getting out of the race, but I don't like the way the media is writing her off and may be creating a self-fulfilling prophesy. It's not fair to her, and it's not good for Obama either, because it raises the expectations for him in states where she still has a lead. As much as I am addicted to the punditry, sometimes i wish they would just shut up and let the voters decide.

[shaniqua6392]

70. I am very impressed with your post.

You do not accept what the media has done to her even though you are an Obama supporter. Very classy and gracious of you. We, as Dems, need to be careful of the power we let the media have over us. Some people just believe everything they hear. I wish everyone were as tactful as you are re: the media and our Dem candidates. No matter who we support for the nomination, we can not tear down the other candidate. They are both United States Senators and are on our side...The Democratic side.

[TexasObserver]

37. That is correct. Many Democrats of longstanding won't appear with the Clintons now.

Won't be seen at their events, either.

Certainly true in Texas.

It's 10 days until the Texas primary, and I do believe it will be the knockout punch that ends the Clinton campaign, irretrievably.

[Tom Rinaldo]

39. Democratic voters support Hillary. In a February 21st Ohio Poll ABC released

Clinton is ahead of Obama among registered Democrats by 55% to 39%. She is also ahead among union household voters in Ohio by 53% to 37%.

Democratic officials and office holders would be wise to consider the feelings of the members of their own Party before they write off Clinton before their members have a chance to vote.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1061a1TexasandOhio.pdf

[rodeodance]

47. On this point below, --so may Obamafolks have demeaned HRC supporters

for supposedly writing off voters of certain states ---their votes 'not counting"--but are now ready to 'not count" voters in large upcoming states--. (Calls for her to step aside-for the good of the party and all that crap)

Hypocrasy is a better word.

Democratic officials and office holders would be wise to consider the feelings of the members of their own Party before they write off Clinton before their members have a chance to vote.

[HeraldSquare212]

50. Jeez, they're not saying here shouldn't be a vote - just that they don't think she has a chance now

[rodeodance]

57. I am referring to many threads who have demanded that Hillary drop out "NOW"-just

to clarify my post.

[shaniqua6392]

71. With the exception of all those posts telling her to drop out NOW!

Then they add that she should do it for the good of the party!! We ARE the party and everyone deserves to vote in all of the states before a nominee is chosen. Just like Huckabee can stay in to give everyone a chance to vote, so should Clinton be able to remain to see it to the end. It is only right.

[rjbrooks]

54. Nader is looking like a good choice.

I am a 67 year old white male, lifetime democrat who supported John Edwards and I am not particularly a fan of Hillary. However, I cannot believe the bashing she is receiving in the media as well as on this board. I could never bring myself to vote for John McLiar, however if Nader decides to enter the fray, I believe I could give him serious consideration this time. This only because of the way my party is behaving.

[WinkyDink]

58. "lifetime democrat" (small "d"). Okay, whatever.

[rodeodance]

61. in reading this board over the last few weeks--looks like writeins are an

option for many Democrats. so you are not alone (not saying Nader is the person of choice my any means)

[NJSecularist]

64. To win in Ohio, Hillary needs to motivate her base.

And I expect some sniffles a day or two before Ohio to accomplish that.

[OzarkDem]

67. We need a candidate to beat McCain

Obama can't do it.

[Seabiscuit]

73. MSNBC has turned into Fox Noise.

[NoodleyAppendage]

74. SHE'S DONE. Stick a fork into her DLC faux Democrat ass. n/t

J

[loveangelc]

78. can you say more? what exactly are they saying...?

[Johnny__Motown]

79. Basic Math