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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 02:54 PM
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Hillary "lashed out at rival Barack Obama today for using strategy out of Karl Rove’s playbook"
Clinton: Obama untested, just like Bush was

by Rick Pearson and updated

CINCINNATI — Democratic presidential contender Hillary Clinton lashed out at rival Barack Obama today for using a strategy out of “Karl Rove’s playbook” by making grandiose speeches of hope while sending Ohioans what she called “false and discredited mailings” on health care and trade policy.

“Shame on you Barack Obama,” Clinton told reporters after delivering a speech at Cincinnati Technical and Community College in which she reminded voters that in 2000, an untested George W. Bush called for change--just as Obama is now--and “the American people got shafted.”

Obama's campaign quickly responded, noting that Clinton's top spokesman, Howard Wolfson, once called one Democrat comparing another Democrat to George Bush as "the worst kind of tactical political maneuvering."

Clinton, facing increased pressure to do well in Ohio and Texas, two major March 4 primary states, to continue her campaign against the front-running Obama, sought to raise in voters minds an image of a Democratic contender using Republican tactics to win.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/clinton_obama_is_untested_just.html
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 02:55 PM
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1. It is also Rovian to accuse your opponent of what you are doing, and she does.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 02:57 PM
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4. now THAT'S a Rovian tactic
it's called projection-you accuse the other guy of doing what YOU are doing
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:09 PM
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16. Exactly...
I didn't realize you'd already said what I just posted below. Can she really be in such denial that she doesn't know her own campaign uses Rovian tactics??
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:01 PM
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5. I think the best possible strategy for any Democratic candidate...
...is to refrain from using the name "Karl Rove" to describe an opponent's behavior.

I don't care how off the wall or inappropriate that candidate's behavior might be.

There are other ways to get the point across. There's much truth in what you say...there is definitely a Rovian element to calling an opponent "Rovian."

:patriot:
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:05 PM
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9. If they didn't ACT like Karl Rove
Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 03:05 PM by SoFlaJet
they wouldn't be called Rovian-it's as simple as that-the Clinton team that is
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:06 PM
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11. hilary has learned nothing in this scortched earth
campaign of her's.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:07 PM
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13. Can we have a new law like Godwin's law?
Only call it "Hillary's Law?"

The first person to compare their opponent to Rove gets a one way Greyhound ticket to Little Rock. :P
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:05 PM
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10. Isn't that called projection??
She seems oblivious to the absurdity of this charge.
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knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:55 PM
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19. Ding! Ding! We have a winner!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 02:55 PM
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2. Obama's camp has been waiting for the desperate death-throes attacks.
They're ready.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 02:56 PM
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3. sad
and pathetic...don't make us all hate you Hillary-we used to love, defend and respect you
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:02 PM
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6. The comments to that article are very interesting.
Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 03:03 PM by tabatha
Hillary, we are in the days of the "internets" - there is a discussion going on beyond the TV set.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:04 PM
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7. She needs to make up her mind - either he's too naive or he's "Rovian"
She cannot have it both ways. If he isn't tough enough for the rigors of a campaign, how can he be rovian. I think he may be a tougher and more experienced campaigner than she is and his campaign organization has run rings around hers. I think they "misunderestimated" Obama right from the start, not that it would have mattered. He's just a far more attractive candidate.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:04 PM
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8. hilary's such a disingenous lying
hypocrite..there's no words to describe how much hilary is a waste of history.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:08 PM
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14. Really, how LOW can she go.
I did have a smidgen of respect for her following her "gracious" closing (which turned out to be plagiarized) at the last debate. Now, I just think she is really a horrible person. SHAME ON YOU, HILLARY.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:54 PM
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18. Wow, I just asked that question
another thread..brilliant minds and all that. ;)

zidzi (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-23-08 03:48 PM
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2. New lows for hilary..the burning scortched earth
question is .."How Low Can hilary Go?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4728921&mesg_id=4728956
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:06 PM
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12. Um, I thought she was going to take the high road.
And go out with some class. Oh, well.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:09 PM
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15. Haha
You tried to use the words "Clinton" and "class" in the same phrase. :P
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:16 PM
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17. If I were Obama, I'd ask her in the next debate...
"So Hilary, which of my tactics is right out of the Karl Rove playbook?", and watch her stumble over herself. Obama has been nice in the preceeding debates. I think he should take his gloves off just a bit, and fire one over her brow.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 04:09 PM
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20. The problem with that is she can't list them all in 90 seconds
Let's start with the most obvious: 1) swiftboating.
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