Obama Fans Gloating = Running Up The Score In Sports?

[THUNDER HANDS]

I've heard it alluded to that Obama fans being negative on Hillary and gloating over his recent success is somehow unseemly and unnecessary.

Like, if a little league team is getting beat 20-0 and the team with the 20 points keeps it's best players in the game to keep running up the score instead of playing its benchwarmers.

As if poor Hillary Clinton can hardly defend herself against Obama.

As if Hillary has been all nice and sweet to him and Obama has been pouring on the hate and vile.

As if there's no need to continue to put the pressure on her, because she's "done."


Well, if she was "done" she'd be conceding now. Is she conceding? No.

Has she pulled back her attacks? No. She's increasing them.

Has she demonstrated the humility and graciousness of an opponent who has just lost 11 contests in a row? No.

Has she congratulated Obama on his victories? No.

Has she belittled and dismissed his wins and supporters? Yes.

Has she belittled and dismissed his message? Yes.

Has she belittled and dismissed the central theme of his campaign? Yes.

Does she deserve sympathy? No.

Should his supporters let up on her? Not until she drops out.

Has she dropped out? No.

Ergo, the pressure will be kept on.

I mean, she is still competitive right? And during a competition you -- compete? Right?


So either you think she's competitive and you accept the harsh tenor of Obama supporters. Or you admit defeat and ask us to back off.

But you can't have it both ways. You can't play the "Oh, she's still in this card" with one hand, and in the other say "but lay off the attacks, it's unnecessary."


As long as she can still take the nomination, she's fair game. Until the day that changes, it would be disrespectful to her to act like she's some scrub little league team and start pitying her.

[apocalypsehow]

1. Exactly right, K & R.

:thumbsup:

[Scurrilous]

2. Yep.

K & R :thumbsup:

[Metric System]

3. A few points:

"Has she congratulated Obama on his victories? No."

Actually she called him by phone to congratulate him.

Also, Obama started the attacks by painting Hillary as the status quo and as someone who is against "change." Yes, it's been an effective strategy but because it is nothing more than strategy it goes to show that Obama is engaging in politics as usual, despite his claims to the contrary. This the same man who railed against the establishment while surrounding himself with Ted Kennedy, John Kerry and Dick Durbin. Oh, and how about how Obama labeled Hillary as being divisive and polarizing? Nice smear on a fellow Dem. The same could be argued about Ted Kennedy but since he's supporting Obama we won't go there.

[thoughtcrime1984]

4. Divisive and polarizing

Adjectives, not smears. If he said Hillary was lurking around with lobbyists involved with illegal deals and maybe some "romance", THAT would be a smear.

[THUNDER HANDS]

5. well

she didn't congratulate him in public...no need to be gracious when the cameras are on and draw attention to the fact that you just got beat for the 10th straight time.

Also, saying that she is the status quo is a fairly benign charge, considering she was in the White House for 8 years and frequently invokes the 90s as a time she'd like to take America back to.

In addition, saying Hillary is polarizing is like saying the ocean is wet. Bost objective data confirms this. As for Ted Kennedy, he's not running for president.

[Yurovsky]

6. No more of a stretch than ...

her claims of "35 years of experience", when the facts clearly indicate that Obama has held elected office longer than Hillary.

For the love of Pete, my accountant has 20 years of experience, but if she were unable to do my taxes, I don't think I'd want her husband (a nice guy, but he's a chef) stepping in to pinch-hit.

FWIW, I'm hoping she takes the opportunity to return to her more progressive roots back in the US Senate. If she did, and were elected Majority leader during Obama's presidency, I think some great things could happen (especially if we get to 60 votes in November).

Despite the rough patches thus far, this could be the beginning of a beautiful relationship. And if she DID come back home to her roots, it would be damn near impossible for me to support anybody else in 2016 (although my weakness for Dennis Kucinich would probably still remain ...).

[conservdem]

10. Do you really feel pointing out that HC is status quo is an "attack" on her.

On edit, Still I do not think Obama supporters should gloat over a primary win or a good pol number. Rubbing things like this in an opponent's face is wrong. If Obama wins I ask HC supporters to please not hold the gloating by some against Obama.

[Jane Austin]

7. Yes.

It doesn't help Obama and just makes others feel bad - or dig in their heels.

[NastyRiffraff]

8. That's all very well, but

Somehow in all this Obama's not supposed to be "fair game." Nobody is supposed to criticize Dear Leader in any way. If Hillary gets angry about flyers with lies, she's "shrill" and (god forbid) an "angry woman." Nobody, including his opponent, should say anything at all that criticizes or even disagrees with the Anointed One.

(Edited for typo. I hate typos)

[Yurovsky]

9. The "anointed one"???

Seems to me that Hillary was the "presumptive" nominee going back at least 2 or 3 YEARS. Obama's dyamism combined with Hillary's poorly run campaign (no state organizing past Super Tuesday, as they assumed they'd have it wrapped up then) has led to what is the greatest upset in Democratic presidential politics that I can recall in my entire lifetime (OK, 1968 was pretty weird, but once LBJ dropped out, it was a tossup).

As far as I'm concerned, go ahead and unload on Obama. I think it'll help him deal with the unimaginable shit he's got coming his way from the Hitler youth this summer/fall. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger.

[THUNDER HANDS]

11. don't confuse

the inability of any attacks to stick with the discouragement of attacks in general.

Just because Hillary fires blanks doesn't mean I don't want you guys to keep trying.