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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:26 PM
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It is so strange.
During the debate on Thursday after she gave her seemingly gracious closing remarks, she seemed so human.
I connected with her. Then the very next day she starts laying in to Obama. Now today, she seems to be losing
all sense of dignity and propriety.

Who was the Hillary we saw at the debate? She seemed real to me then very human.
Now she seems to be the person that I had assumed her to be. Not some one I want to be president that's for sure.

How will we ever know who she is if she keeps changing right before our eyes?
She seems to me to be a tragic figure at this moment.
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knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:28 PM
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1. She should have shown more of that side (from the end of the debate) throughout the campaign.
Her handlers, advisors and consultants have been terrible; it's sad.

Nevertheless, she did select and pay for those handlers and chose to follow their advice.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:29 PM
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2. Her handlers certainly haven't served her well. nt
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:29 PM
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3. She got rave reviews on that close. Unfortunate, she could not hear them and take heed.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:29 PM
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4. She's broke, in major debt. She can't afford to get attention any other way.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:30 PM
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5. Your concern is noted.
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:30 PM
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6. I hear what you're saying


But she's no tragic figure - it's just her sense of entitlement that's leaving her baffled...
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:32 PM
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7. Until Today, The Only Complaints I Had About Clinton
were her votes. I saw something very ugly in her today.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:56 PM
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8. That closing speech at the debate was a pre-planned "Lifetime for Women" moment--
We're all going to be OK! I only care about YOU, you poor people! I felt like I was the only one whose teeth hurt at the contrived sappiness of it. Direct appeal to women, reminding them that she was cheated on, and victimized, but she's a survivor, dammit! Barf-o-rama.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:56 PM
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9. I know that part of it was manipulative.
Yet I think at least part seemed genuine as if she is torn. As a woman, maybe I am somewhat vulnerable
to being drawn in to what may have been a faux expression of feeling.

Whatever fleeting authenticity was there, it sure disappeared quickly in the last two
days. Now as before I am extremely concerned with her ability not to win but
to damage Obama for the GE.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:22 PM
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10. Is she on some kind of medication?
She is either up or down.

She is not predictable.

I was already to like her again with the last remarks at the debates.

Then ~ OOPS!

She becomes another person all together by Saturday.

From what I've heard, Obama knows how to handle her. He talks to her like a psychiatrist. Slowly and in an even voice.

She acts like a spoiled teenager.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:23 PM
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11. evil twin?
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:25 PM
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12. we have to take her at her words--all of them.
If she's really Nice Hillary, and just acting like Nasty Hillary, she still has to be accountable for such behavior, even if Penn or somebody put her up to it.

If she's really Nasty Hillary, but just acting like Nice Hillary, then I'd say, "fool me once..."
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:25 PM
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13. She's a shapeshifting snake. The "emotion" at the debate was fake, just like I've been saying.
Don't be fooled.
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frakus6 Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:35 PM
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14. she's not a snake
knock it off. The drumbeat of attacks on Hillary over the past few months have been disturbing. Should your candidate win the nomination, he's going to have a damn near impossible time uniting the party in november
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:38 PM
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15. Hillary Clinton is disturbing and her theatrical antics and two-faced behavior is NOT
good for the party.

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frakus6 Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:39 PM
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16. Hillary has experience and credibility. Obama has false hope and empty cliche's
But an army of rich trust fund hipsters.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 11:27 PM
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19. That is the mystery.
Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 11:27 PM by Big Blue Marble
I am no fan of Hillary. And yet there was something very compelling about
her at the end of the debate, something that felt extremely real.

It was there and then it was gone as if she were truly two different people.

I actually found myself for a few short hours liking her a lot
and wanting to like her even more. Not to the extent that I would vote for her instead of Obama,
but connecting with her human to human.

And then whatever I say was gone so quickly. She morphed back to the Hillary that
I know and do not like. There is, I think, a real person within her armature.
A person she cannot let out. And yet within that inner person is a human
we would all like if she could trust enough to share her inner vulnerability.






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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:42 PM
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17. Not a Pink Floyd fan I guess, as they said...
You have to be trusted, by the people that you lie to
so when they turn their backs on you
You'll get a chance to slip the knife in
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:44 PM
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18. Hey she suckered me too
I thought she was going to gracefully face reality and withdraw so we can all fight the thugs in the fall.

But oh hell no! I guess that was all bullshit from a old gutter pol.

The scorched earth policy is in effect. Its gonna get real ugly before its done. And it will help the Thug party a great deal in the fall.

Thanks Hillery!:puke:
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 11:29 PM
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20. She is a phony
I've always been against Clinton, but these last few weeks have really turned me off to her in a way I never thought possible. I'm disgusted with her.
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