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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:36 PM
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Clinton's debate closing...not what it seemed.
I found her gracious closing remarks strangely disquieting and I haven't been able to figure out why until now. I reacted to her first line about reassuring all of us that she and Obama would be "fine" by thinking "yeah, we all know you guys will land on your feet, I'm not so sure about the rest of us". The remark seemed a little self-absorbed to me. Then, her last line about worrying if the American people would be fine struck me a a slap at Obama with a velvet glove. To me that statement translated into "I'm worried that the American people won't be ok if they vote for him". Maybe her rant today about Obama's mailers has me looking too deeply. I don't know.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:37 PM
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1. I think you're reaching here.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:40 PM
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3. Maybe, but it was a true gut reaction.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:18 PM
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10. no, I caught that too
And it could be true because it echoes her statement in New Hampshire--the one about "just caring so much..." which seemed also like she feels she is the ONLY one who can beat the GOP candidate and save America.

It was "Nice Hillary"--but with a veiled insult to Obama, you're right.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:30 PM
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13. I don't think so b/c that's what I thought when I heard it.
And the fact that it went right over the heads of the talking media didn't change my mind (of course they might have chosen to spin it to boost Clinton).
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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:39 PM
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2. maybe just to much "thinking" time?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:43 PM
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4. I think it was an attempt at defusing the situation a little that got away from her and
turned into something that she did not intend, something a little too concilliatory, hence aggression today.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:45 PM
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6. I think you're right

and I also think this is the real Hillary. The soft Hillary is just
an act.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 09:06 PM
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18. She was seeking the advantage of the gracious high-roader = demonstrating control
over the situation. She goofed and made it this sort of paen to Obama, so she needs to show that she's her own woman by being "tough".
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:45 PM
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5. Hadn't though about it like that
but you could be right.

My take was that it was designed to look concilatory, but was in no means a concession. I think she wanted to make it seem like she would bow out graciously if appropriate in order to make people wonder if they'd want her to. It worked on me, for a little while. I will admit that it tugged at my heartstrings a little.


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tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:09 PM
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7. I think her
"softness" was a set-up to make todays fake outrage believable.
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bleowheels Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:33 PM
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14. You nailed it.
I have the same belief as you. It was the "calm before the storm." There was something about that moment that just did not seem believable.
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bleowheels Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:14 PM
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8. I think was a calculated moment to humanize herself.....
before today's bombastic attack. I really think her campaign used that moment to make her seem "softer" at the end of last week's news cycle knowing that they would "take the gloves off" this weekend. I truly believe that everything she does or says is planned. Obama's flyers did not just pop up today. Her campaign has known about them for a long time. Her response today was that a supporter just gave her one at a rally today. So she wants us to believe that her angry response was off the cuff? Whatever.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:15 PM
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9. I think they're using robots.
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:19 PM
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11. LOL AT THE OP. lmao.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:21 PM
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12. I think that she is tired of all of the shit..
being slung at her and she feels that she has nothing to lose because she is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't...
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bleowheels Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:37 PM
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15. So that makes it "OK" to talk shit about Obama?
No offense to you, but the "shit" coming at her is not coming from Obama. Her supporters claim that the media is so biased against her but it is her claims and, in my opinion, baseless alegations that seem to get the top of every news show.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:39 PM
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16. So is he in a campaign or not?
what do you expect any opponent to do sit there and not fight back?
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:44 PM
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17. well that' the same thing Edwards said
and every candidate feels or wants to claim that their experience and their policies and their team will be better for the country.

I thought it was dishonest all the way through.

First, put Hillary and McCain together (hint, hint, just like in the GE)

Then use wounded soldiers as props, oblivious of the fact that she voted and promoted the war that got them wounded.

Then pretend to respect your opponent (and show before and after that your really don't)

Then pretend that the campaign is all about the struggling ordinary people of America, even though most of her advertised policies don't really help them.

The fact that Bill and Edwards have used the same themes, certainly shows that it was very slick, and very much prepared and planned.
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