Saying Hillary became unhinged is disingenuous

[Enrique]

I just watched the video. She is obviously taking a harsher tone, no doubt because of her precarious position. You might say it's desperation, in that it's a tone she has chosen to avoid up until now. It looks like she might not want to talk like this but now feels she has to.

But all the stuff about her having gone mad is just silly and disingenuous. Just as silly as the media whore stuff about Gore being crazy.

The media whores knew perfectly well that Gore was not crazy, THEY JUST DIDN'T LIKE HIM. And the people here know that Hillary is not crazy, YOU JUST DON'T LIKE HER. Silly for the whores, silly for you.

[ErnestoG]

1. Yeah, true. She was more like OFF THE CHAIN

How's that?

[Enrique]

3. che, I like your style

don't go changing to try to please me. :-)

[ErnestoG]

6. I live to serve.

[Captain Hilts]

2. It's like the Dean Scream or Bill Clinton in SC. Gross exaggeration. nt

[ErnestoG]

11. Oh I think not!

The Dean Scream was a demonstrably audio enhanced 2 second clip. The Hillary outburst was a lengthy, clearly elucidated temper fit over truths about her views being published in a flier.

BIG difference.

[Captain Hilts]

16. I have to admit, I don't give a rat's ass what anyone with a Che avatar says. nt

[MADem]

20. ....

:thumbsup: !!!!!

[ErnestoG]

21. Ah, make it personal. PERFECT Hillary shrieker behavior pattern.

[Captain Hilts]

46. Make it sexist with the 'shrieker' comment. nt

[Fredda Weinberg]

4. It seems to be forbidden at DU to remind others that they're responding viscerally. n/t

[ErnestoG]

22. There is visceral, and there is out of control.

She was clearly in the latter category.

[Fredda Weinberg]

36. I mean you, dear. Your perceptions are clearly gender biased, but

that's okay. We just won't discuss why.

[yardwork]

42. Would you say she was even.....unhinged?

Do tell. Che.

[ORDem]

5. Have to disagree

"...taking a harsher tone,", is that all? What about the line about stopping all the big rallies and speeches? That was a total non sequitur, the kind of stuff that comes out of one's mouth when they've let their anger run away with them. She was over the top. Period. I'd be very nervous having her in the WH again. :dem:

[tabatha]

8. Yes, I hate having to turn down my radio every time that

yelling comes on the news.

I will be glad when I don't have to do that for either Bush or Clinton.

[PBS Poll-435]

40. You are right...

McCain doesn't yell, my friends.

[peaches2003]

24. Stopping big rallies and speeches?

What was she saying? I can't believe I missed it.

She just doesn't get it. It's her 'softer' side that helps her, not her whiny shrill side. Doesn't she remember her 'tears' won her NH and all the compliments she got on Thursday night at the debate was for her very nice ending comments.

[rocktivity]

38. She doesn't like rallies and speeches because Obama does them better

She's calling for "real debates" because SHE does them better. The real tragedy is that she doesn't think that anyone sees her ulterior motive.

:headbang:
rocknation

[rug]

7. Some people here don't have hinges to begin with.

[thunder rising]

30. Poor hingeless people. We should start a charity

[Straight Shooter]

43. rug for President!

Smartest person on DU. :thumbsup:

[madaboutharry]

9. In all fairness,

her anger was evident and a candidate for president needs to keep that under control. One of the things that everyone who opposes McCain points out is that the man has a fuse an inch long. Sen. Clinton did not do herself any good today. Candidates for president need to respond in calm and measured tones, not seething between their teeth. I watched it and it made me uncomfortable. That is not what she was aiming for.

[Cha]

19. hilary is outta control if

that's not what she was aiming for.

hilaryland knows how negativety has worked since Iowa and they still keep lowering it a notch or two..what does that tell us about hilary and her land of imbeciles?

[anigbrowl]

10. I had no problem with her tone

She's angry, it's OK for her to express that. However, she might be mistaking Obama's soft-spokenness for a lack of resolve. If she gets on his case in the same tone at the next debate he may surprise her.

[tekisui]

15. She won't do it at a debate. She'll have a couple of sure-fail,

consultant-tried slogan-slaps to toss out. They will fall flat, and she won't go anywhere.

She is all hat and no cattle.

[anigbrowl]

27. I don't mean she'll yell at him.

But she'll accuse him of being untruthful, he'll demur a couple of times, and then he'll do what he did the other night about his list of accomplishments - wait for her to finish, then slam her with a list of lies her campaign has put out about him.

Just my hunch.

[XemaSab]

12. I thought her level of anger was not appropriate to the seriousness of what she was saying

Getting that bent about a stupid flyer?

You would think that he'd done something really serious, like compare her to Karl Rove. :crazy:

(edit: spelling :banghead:)

[tekisui]

13. Not unhinged. Disrespectful, belittling, bullyish and rude.

She's broke and has to get creative to get airtime.

[BigDaddy44]

26. Bingo

This is free airtime for her, which she desperately needs. She can only be happy that CNN is playing this over and over again. ANY candidate wants a speech played over and over again. Therefore this was deliberate and calculated. Her campaign thinks this is what its going to take to recapture some shred of momentum.

[SOS]

14. Comparing her tone on Thursday night to this rant

indicates that the only thing disingenous is Hillary's smile.

[THUNDER HANDS]

17. no, she's not going insane or unhinged...she's rearing back for one last haymaker

[Bluerthanblue]

39. I agree- her 'sanity' isn't in quesion- (it shouldn't be) but her temper

over these mailings which have been out for a few weeks, is not something that illustrates the kind of self-control and maturity I'd really like to see in the WH.

She can't claim innocence- her mailers here in NH were not something she can be proud of- or defend.

:shrug:

But I am sure that she is not in any way "insane" or "unhinged".

peace~

[Window]

18. I think that people feel it is somewhat hypocritical after her Kumbayah

moment at the end of the debate the other night. Especially since she had those flyers days, if not weeks, before the debate.

[CoffeeCat]

23. The thing is...

...that her actions seem contrived and in response to pressure--because her campaign is on life support.

So, when she appears outraged about a campaign flier---people factor in that she's trying out another ploy
to see if it works against Obama. Everyone assumes that she's just test-driving new material, like a comic
trying out a new joke.

So, really--there is a certain level of skepticism, that companions this newfound outrage.

When you operate a political campaign, from a position of weakness--most everything you do is suspect
and viewed as a device.

Hillary knows this. So all of this is a bit...bizarre.

[grantcart]

41. plus the juxtaposition with the Kumbaya at the end of the debate

[dkf]

25. She would be better off doing "steely" rather than "rant".

[Forkboy]

28. yeah but if we rail against hyperbole this forum will cease to exist.

:)

[terrya]

29. I was worried that she was being carted to the insane asylum or something.

Judging from what I was reading here. :scared:

[Voice for Peace]

31. But truly a question of her judgement, in my opinion,

that she doesn't recognize she is accusing Obama of doing the same
stuff her own campaign has been doing.

I think it's reflective of a different mindset about elections & politics.
I just heard her speaking in New Orleans, and she was talking about
how there would be party unity once the nominee is decided. It
sounded heartfelt; but she was referring to what's going on now as
if it's some kind of inevitable game that has to be played.

At least that was my interpretation of what she was saying, from a brief
listening on Cspan.

And if that's so, I truly feel badly for her, as she's not recognizing
what is really going on -- as well-meaning as she may be. She is shooting
herself in the foot by playing the same old games of which everyone
is sick and tired.

[jgraz]

32. Quite true. We've yet to see evidence that she was ever "hinged".

[Garbo 2004]

33. She's not "unhinged," etc. It's calculated "spontaneous outrage" for media op. Mailers have been out

for weeks and the subject matter is nothing new.

The "Harry and Louise" style mailer was used by the Obama campaign weeks ago and the Clinton campaign took it on at the time. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/harry_louise_again.html

Obama's made the NAFTA claims before as well ( http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/peas_in_a_pod.html ) and the NAFTA mailer was out and publicly known well before the recent debate http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/ .

This stuff simply isn't new material that the Clinton campaign hasn't known about or responded to before today.

So Clinton didn't just suddenly learn about these campaign maillers and was "shocked, shocked" that they and the assertions were in circulation. If she wanted to discuss them in a face to face debate with Obama, as is her challenge to him now, she had that opportunity Thursday in the debate.

Politics is public theater, folks, whether on the floor of Congress or on the campaign trail.

[LadyVT]

34. Shades of the reaction to Howard Dean, also, IMO

[jgraz]

35. And it's going to help her about as much.

I'd say she's toast, but that would be unfair to the toast.

[Occam Bandage]

45. Were I a Hillary supporter, I would not be making that comparison.

[SKKY]

37. She was "un-presidential" at best, and at worst, seriously on the edge of losing it...

...So, yes, there is some room to maneuver in there.

[Occam Bandage]

44. No, see, I was making a clinical diagnosis. I got out my DSM-IV and everything.

:eyes: