Hillary today probably turned off exactly the people she needs to win

[RiverStone]

Coming back from the gym, I heard sound bites via the M$M on the "Shame on you Barack" story of the day. It was in that news summary variety many stations play at the top of every hour.

Hillary's tone sounded shrill (even with a horse voice) and downright angry - Obama sounded measured and calm in response.

She played right into the negative and unfortunate sexist stereo type of an angry and scolding mother. Shame on you! In essence, it may only fire up her most dedicated base, but it was a big turn off to everyone else. And she needs (everyone else) to win.

Her figurative slap in the face with a meet ya at high noon for the OH debate has really raised expectations now, but not in a good way.

Oh it's silly season alright Barack. Hopefully, he can stay above the silly. But Hillary's gonna attack with both guns blazing in Ohio - she threw down the gauntlet - but the splash back could hit her square in her political face.

I understand people will want to debate the substantive issues and nuances of their health care and NAFTA positions, but all people could talk about at the gym (who pay attention) was geez - what caused Hillary to flip out?

She is not getting any better campaign advice today....and it showed.

[Metric System]

1. Your concern is noted.

[chascarrillo]

4. Maybe your candidate should start taking note.

[K Gardner]

2. Thanks for this antecdotal.. nice to get a different perspective ! She

definitely put the markers out for Showdown at the OK Corral, sure nuff, cowboys !

[jgraz]

3. Worst. Campaign. Ever.

Thank God we saw this before she got the nomination. Can you imagine this kind of a meltdown in the General Election? :scared:

[Metric System]

7. Clearly you didn't pay attention to Ghouliani's campaign.

[jgraz]

9. That was fun. This is excruciating.

It's worse when one of our own screws the pooch so badly.

[chascarrillo]

12. Touche! nt

[Raine]

23. His was bad but

he didn't really seem to be trying, he never really seemed to start.

[DUyellow]

30. Ghouliani's campaign didn't say it was a sure thing he would win

[sandnsea]

5. Maybe it is JUST HER

Why is no one willing to blame her for her own campaign? She said she had just been handed those mailers, and then SHE went directly to the media and unloaded.

It's beginning to sound a bit like not blaming the little woman for what the unscruplulous sob of a man is doing to her.

This is HER campaign. Today's episode had nothing to do with advice. Her xerox comment came out of her mouth. This is who Hillary really is.

[Thepricebreaker]

41. Shhhh people might yell at you because that makes sense.

[ginnyinWI]

6. I wonder if the debate will be held at "High Noon"?

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

I'm sure MSNBC is very happy for the promotional.

Silly Season!

[bigtree]

8. Who, folks who desperately need health care coverage? They should be angry she's fighting for them?

I doubt it.

[RiverStone]

13. No - I think all Dems want some kind of available and...

...accessible health care.

But bigtree, I'm afraid what got the headlines today was not what she said - but how she said it. People are politically punch drunk from talking issues - how many times have they debated ...18+?

If it's about moving the fence sitters and undecideds - Hillary sounded far, far from the rational and measured tone we want from a Commander in Chief. She sounded shrill and petty. I'm just talking sound here...

And if it is down to simple sound bites --- Hillary's voice made her sound desperate, angry, and very un-presidential.

Her mood was bad - oh so bad!

And people remember mood much better than words, in a 60 second news summary.

[bigtree]

20. I liked and appreciated what she was angry about and what she was fighting for.

I think many folks will like to see her fighting, as well.

You know, I think Obama yells, much too much, in his speeches.

[RiverStone]

24. I guess beauty is in the ear of the listener...

Politics eh?

Well, the people will decide soon enoughh - or so we hope.

Either way, have a good evening :hi:

[Bright Eyes]

10. When I saw that video, it reminded me of my

5th grade teacher yelling at me for not doing my homework.

I felt like crying again:cry:

[madrchsod]

17. mine was the 3rd grade teacher...

i did`t cry but shit did i feel humiliated...that was over 50 some years ago!

[NanceGreggs]

11. Call me naive ...

... and no doubt, some here will call me worse - but I will always believe that Hillary Clinton is a much better candidate than her campaign has defined her as being, than her so-called "advisors" have allowed her to be.

It seems apparent that she has been advised to go negative, go on the attack - and it seems just as apparent that this is not her personal style at all, nor her preference.

I also struggle to remind myself every day that Hillary is a much better person than some of her supporters have proven themselves to be - and ain't that a shame?

[NOLALady]

14. I have always respected her.

But, its gotten to the point where its painful to watch her.

I agree with you. I think she's a bigger and better person than she's portraying at this time.

[RiverStone]

15. And as an Obama supporter...

Once the dust has settled and the gloves are on the table --- I think (and hope) that Hillary having no longer any need to be on the defensive or go negative, will be embraced by most Obama supporters as a needed and critical part of his winning strategy.

Obama needs Hillary to win the GE, despite what some may say.

I agree Nance, Hillary is a good person; and I hope she has a substantive place in an Obama administration. Secretary of State perhaps?

[NanceGreggs]

16. To paraphrase the age-old phrase ...

... "I wouldn't kick Hillary Clinton out of my Cabinet for eating crackers."

She is a fine woman, and would be an asset to any position she chooses, or is offered.

[karynnj]

35. Why Secretary of State? She is not a top foreign policy person -

Obama is on the SFRC, HRC is not. She is better on domestic issues.

[madrchsod]

19. hi naive!

hillary reminds me of the heroine in "Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown"

she has a cast of characters around her that think what is best for them, not what is best for her.

[truedelphi]

29. If she doesn't follow her own mind and heart in a campaign

WTF will we get from her if she ends up being POTUS?

There are several other threads at DU today about the Cuban Missile Crisis.

And that is a potent reminder of how important it that the country has a President who can make up their mind on their own.

[Me.]

37. The Gore & Kerry Mistake Repeated

Listening to advisers rather than relying on her own best judgment. Don't talk about the environment, don't answer the swift boaters, go negative. And has Mark Penn ever won an election?

[dailykoff]

18. How the heck does she recover from this?

I mean politically? At this point I don't see how she even gets a job on Fox news.

[madrchsod]

22. she`ll go back to the senate

and get things done to save this country.

[dailykoff]

33. To work with whom?

The republican minority? She's making herself an outcast by dragging this thing out.

[karynnj]

39. She's be able to work with anyone who agrees with her bills

There are only 100 people and no one can afford to ostracize anyone because they don't like them. There are still people here suggesting her for majority leader if Reid is replaced. I think it unlikely if Obama is President as the next in line is Durbin, a very close Obama ally - the first Senator to encourage him to run.

[dailykoff]

46. Yes, but if she's working 24/7 to raise money

to pay debts on this losing campaign, she won't have much time to work on actual legislation, and I don't see her having the clout to get her name on everybody else's bills that she used to.

[ErnestoG]

21. True. A very bad day for Hillary.

[grantcart]

25. At 11:00 The entire collection of thinking Americans will all be tuned in to

see how Jon Stewart will carve this turkey up, then at 11:35 we will be wearing our thumbs out switching between Leno and Letterman.

It will roll on through the week.

The reason that there will be no mercy is that she was so nice - face to face and completely different when Barack isn't there.

Now the only thing I can compare that to is junior high but I can hardly sleep at night waiting for The Daily Show.

[K Gardner]

27. Tonight, its just SATURDAY Night Live !!

[ronnykmarshall]

26. Oh dear.

[DemCam]

28. I am thrilled she called the O's out on their negative strategy.

It's about time and let the chips fall where they may.
There are limits and she marked the limit. She's passionate about
her health care plan. It shows.

Go Hillary

[grantcart]

31. me too the more she does what she did today the happier I am

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4729992&mesg_id=4729992

[mtnsnake]

32. Says you. Everyone outside of La La Land will make up their minds for themselves. n/t

[GoldieAZ49]

34. "Obama sounded measured and calm in response" No he sounded condescending

saying that Hillary is the establishment and needs to be knocked out (not sure these are the exact words)

Why doesn't Obama speak eloquently off the cuff? That is starting to bug me.

[FrenchieCat]

36. He does........

but you aren't really listening.

What you consider eloquent, apparently, is someone talking faster than the speed of sound with their head veering around.

[GoldieAZ49]

45. Wrong, I consider O, eloquent as in his stump speech

as far as the pace of speech, normal is fine, not having to wait 10 seconds for each word in the sentence

Spontaneous Q & A is not flattering for him, it is almost like he is being to careful

[ronnykmarshall]

38. Mercy me!!

[DearAbby]

40. The ball is still in Hillary's court...

she just hit it high into the air above her, buy her time? Who knows. Obama doesn't have to do anything, do what he did last debate, keep the heat turned up under Hillary. People are now expecting the fireworks, she has to follow through...out on a limb and no where to go.

[workinclasszero]

42. Blowback is a bitch

Hillary will find that out real soon.:evilgrin:

[SammyWinstonJack]

43. Always hopeful, right?

:eyes:

[KAZ]

44. But she "turned on" the people she needs to donate.

End of the campaign money play, IMHO. She wasn't out to win any new supporters.