Did Hillary say "I think on balance NAFTA has been good for New York and America?"

[skipos]

I just want to make sure this is an accurate quote from January 2004. It was quoted on MTP, but you know how the media can be.

[Drunken Irishman]

1. I found this.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21869109/page/3/

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

2. Video w/ Hillary: "I think, on balance, NAFTA has been good for New York and America"

Hillary Clinton saying "I think, on balance, NAFTA has been good for New York and America"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ0swdRvYgw

[TexasObserver]

36. To quote Peter Griffin when he crapped his pants at the dinner table - UH OH!!

Pea
Tear
Griffin

[Stephanie]

3. Now that was easy, wasn't it?

Can you show CNN how to use the Google?

[madrchsod]

4. has`t done shit for me

has`t done shit for the folks down in galesburg illinois that hillary accused obama of not helping...it was your husbands bill that sent those jobs to mexico ...what was obama supposed to do? stop the trucks driving away with the machines?

[redstate_democrat]

5. Yes

I posted a link about this in another thread. She praised NAFTA up until last year. Now she wants labor standards and other crap added to NAFTA.

[DUyellow]

6. Doesn't count...

[robcon]

7. I think she is wrong. NAFTA has been GREAT for NY & America.

Hopefully it will be expanded throughout the Western Hemisphere.

[skipos]

9. Then I assume you would like the people of Ohio to know

that she has been a fan of NAFTA?

[robcon]

18. I don't care what the people of Ohio feel. I think NAFTA has been great for the U.S.

n/t

[skipos]

41. While I am sure many Hillary supporters love NAFTA like you do

not many of them care to admit it here.

Can you elaborate on what is so great about it? Are you able to see what people don't like about it?

[Bright Eyes]

11. Great for Rich America.

Bad for the rest of America.

Terrible for Mexico.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

12. Mexico is not the point here.

China is, but I think you know that.

[amborin]

14. why, exactly, is Mexico not the point?

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

15. NAFTA has benefited China, not Mexico.

[amborin]

16. nafta has not benefitted china

the WTO admittance benefitted China, but saying nafta benefitted china is not really accurate

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

17. I guess President Clinton declaring China "Most Favored Trade Nation"

didn't help China either.

[robcon]

19. Got a link for that? "Most favored nation" is no longer appropriate teminology.

A country is either a member or signatory of WTO, or it is not. "Most favored nation" status (i.e. eligible for the lowest tariffs/highest quotas a country offers) disappeared a long time ago.

Try to have a slight acquaintance with the subject before posting, if that's not too much to ask, OnceuponTime...

[Leopolds Ghost]

21. Because this country unilaterally abandoned tarriffs (taxed wealthy global traders & made US great)

It's called an "industrial policy". China has one. Look it up.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

22. Links

http://www.iht.com/articles/1996/05/21/clint.t.php
President Bill Clinton called Monday for the unconditional renewal of China's favored trade status, a move long expected but one that comes only days after the United States threatened China with billions of dollars in punitive trade sanctions

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/06/03/china.trade/

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=46632

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Mandarins_and_Moguls_Unite_for_China's_Most-Favored_Nation_Status
During Bill Clinton's first presidential campaign against George Bush, he called for cutting off China's access to American markets unless democratic changes were made, and said China's "most-favored nation" (MFN) status should be linked to whether it chose to "recognize the legitimacy of those kids that were carrying the Statue of Liberty" in the pro-democracy Tiananmen Square demonstrations in 1989.

For major corporations like Boeing and Motorola, however, China's 1.2 billion people represent a huge potential market for products ranging from cellular phones to airplanes to Coca-Cola and Big Macs. By the mid-1990s, the China market accounted for 10 percent of total sales for the Boeing aircraft conglomerate. Analysts predict that China's rapidly-growing economy will move from being the third largest in the world to number one in the next century. "Projections suggest vast future demand for infrastructure and for consumer products--all of which American companies would like to provide," reported the National Journal.

Alarmed by Clinton's original insistence on linking trade to human rights, corporate lobbyists launched a massive campaign in 1994 which succeeded in reversing Clinton's position. "The result," observed the New York Times, "has been an extraordinary struggle pitting executives against former torture victims and prison camp survivors and persecuted Christians in a competition to win the attention of Congress and the Administration."

"In the final weeks leading up to . . . Clinton's decision to grant most-favored-nation trading status to China, Washington was swarming with lobbyists pushing MFN," stated the Legal Times. "The advocates ranged from an ad hoc group of two dozen major US companies to the Emergency Committee for American Trade (ECAT), a group of 60 chairmen and chief executives of US-owned exporters. . . . Among the lobbyists taking part were R. D. Folsom, a vice president at the D.C. lobby shop R. Duffy Wall and Associates, who represents the Footwear Distributors and Retailers of America; Michael Daniels, a partner in the D.C. office of the New York law firm Mudge Rose Guthrie Alexander & Ferdon; and Mark McConnell and Warren Maruyama, partners at the D.C. law firm Hogan & Hartson."

As a face-saving measure, Clinton drafted a "voluntary code of conduct" for US businesses operating in China and other countries where human rights violations occur. The "voluntary code" came under immediate criticism from Amnesty International and other human rights organizations. "It's essentially milquetoast; it lacks political will," said Jim O'Dea, Amnesty International's Washington director.

~Is this enough to start with?

[amborin]

29. now, how is that related to your contention that nafta benefitted china?

you did not answer my question

[Zhade]

35. Understand, you are replying to a proud neoconservative.

Why he's allowed to spread his lies here is beyond me, but fuck him, he's in a tiny minority of the clueless and delusional.

[high density]

13. Great for Wall St, NY, NY...

The job situation in this country is the root of many of our current economic problems.

[Medusa]

25. Great for all the billionaires who donate to her campaign

not so great for the "bread and butter" Democrats who are supposedly her base.

[Deja Q]

20. Will you add some depth to your claims?

All you are is a one track note and it damn well is getting boring.

You want people to vote for your candidate, I would presume?

Convince us.

Please.

[Emit]

38. Then you think she is right

correct?

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

8. NAFTA was introduced by Bush I, signed into law by Clinton I

And has been killing us since. Bush II continued this tradition, Clinton II will not stop this.
NAFTA has been killing this Nation in ways that nuclear war could not. We are paying for our own demise.

[Leopolds Ghost]

24. No country would dissolve its industrial base except to allow plutocrats to steal nations wealth

Just like the Soviet Union dissolved because of the greed and avarice
of the apparatchiks who opposed Gorbachev's democratization reforms
and wanted to sell off the country's assets. Now the US is falling
in the same fashion as the Soviet Union did, because of the greed of
transnational governmental apparatchiks who will maintain a crash pad
in London and New York no matter who goes up and who goes down whether
our industrial cities look as bombed-out as those in Siberia or not.

Chris Matthews literally LAUGHS a Pittsburgh reporter off the air for
suggesting Hillary encourage steel jobs to return... STEEL JOBS AREN'T
GREEN JOBS! THAT'S OLD ECONOMY! THE GREEN WAY OF DOING BUSINESS IS TO
EXPORT THOSE INDUSTRIES TO COUNTRIES WITH NO ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATION,
LIKE INDIA! We'll keep only the "greenest" jobs and import everything
else we need.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

26. Hear Hear!

[NDambi]

28. Excellent, Dead on post

[HockeyMom]

10. One of her former constituents

who is no longer one of her constituents, because of NAFTA, screw you. That is one more reason I didn't vote for her.

No, I did not want to leave NY.

[texas_indy]

23. How about: this? "I am delighted to be the Senator from Punjab as well as from New York”

http://www.sikhcouncilusa.org/article.aspx?article=evtdinner

“I am delighted to be the Senator from Punjab as well as from New York” said Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and the former first lady of the United States of America. She received a standing ovation and thunderous applause from the Sikh Americans who had gathered in the Senate side of the Capitol Hill on May 17th for the Sikh American Heritage Dinner Event in Washington, DC. The Sikh Council on Religion and Education (SCORE), based in the nation’s capital organized this event."

[amborin]

30. do you have a problem with this?

[texas_indy]

31. Gosh darn gee, I guess I do. Ya think that's maybe why I posted it?

I highlighted it since she is so proud to claim being a senator from a country to which she supports shipping our American jobs overseas too. She makes no bones about it as shown by a quick search on the internet. Only now that she is going down does she suddenly "plagiarize" Obama's position on this. Oh, wait a minute,I forgot that Hillary doesn't plagiarize, she "borrows".

bPunjab (Punjabi: ਪੰਜਾਬ, IPA: ), also spelled Panjab, is a state in northwest India

I'm an AMERICAN FIRST and I expect our ELECTED representatives to support AMERICA FIRST. It is nice of Hillary to be so open of her willingness to support giving our jobs to people in other countries.


Texas is Obama country!

[amborin]

32. that kind of jingoistic xenophobia

is probably more typical of texas than a lot of other states

but, alas, it's found all over

you're talking about Indian-American citizens, who pay taxes and are hard working, smart, and contributing a lot to our nation

[texas_indy]

37. No, I'm talking about Punjab, India and Hillary's quote.

Can you find me any other senator who ever said anything like that for any other country?

And no, I'm not talking about "Indian-American citizens, who pay taxes and are hard working, smart, and contributing a lot to our nation"
I'm talking about Indian citizens taking our jobs.

But, it's ok. Ignore what I really say and then argue with what you want so you can feel better about it.

And I will always be for AMERICA and AMERICAN citizens first before the citizens of another country!
And yes, that include my support for green card holders. (part of my family went the legal route to naturalization so I'm savy to the process, like many others here)


Texas is Obama country!

[amborin]

42. you have a thin grasp of the issues

true...jobs have been sent to India

but they've also been sent to Portugal, Mexico, China, Jamaica, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Malaysia, Thailand, Canada, etc................

Hillary's remark was just to acknowledge the ethnicity of those particular Indian-Americans

they are "little Punjab" just as some parts are called "little Italy," etc.....

you are just a jingoistic xenophobe

[Major Hogwash]

27. Yes, Hillary did say that. The same one who is talking out of both sides of her mouth these days.

Yes, I did.
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Oh shit! There's a record of her saying it!!

A broken record!

[Quixote1818]

33. Obama needs to nail her with her shifting on NAFTA in the next debate

He can't let that chance go by. Not to mention she has set herself up for an attack now.

[Major Hogwash]

40. 4 Million jobs have been lost in Ohio due to NAFTA, the teamsters will crush Hillary in Ohio,

You can bank on it.

[Zhade]

34. Sounds about out-of-touch enough for her.

Plus, there's the whole evidence thing upthread.

[Johnny__Motown]

39. K&R

[killbotfactory]

43. Yes, but that doesn't count

and it's unfair to bring it up for some reason.