She's not unhinged--She tried a calculated, underhanded attack on Obama.

[conservdem]

If she was really being unfairly attacked by Obama's mailings about her health care plan then she would have sounded great. But I do not think she had been "attacked" by him on her health care plan. I think her outrage was phony. It was a sham attempt to justify an unfair attack on him. IMO she lied to commit the very type of underhanded Rovian attack she accused him of. This is just what I would expect from her and her ilk. I am so glad many here see it too. I think she has been surprised that the masses and the MSM are not just buying the BS she's selling. I used to really admire and support HC. Now I strongly dislike her.

As one wise poster here wrote: "both flyers have been around for a month and she didn't go after him about them. (why not at the debate? He was right there why not ask him about them??)

She can't afford ads

She can't afford flyers

All she can do is schedule press conferences and feign outrage."

On edit: The wise poster I quoated is Debi.

[mudesi]

1. And it's going to backfire AGAIN

She doesn't learn.

[psychopomp]

35. Every time Sen. Clinton's team flings dirt

they end up covered in it.

Sen. Obama, on the other hand, has managed to stay miles above the fray.

[Thrill]

2. If Obama was on TV angry and yelling like that. People would

be saying he isn't ready and can't handle the political pressure

[rodeodance]

6. loved her firey press conferance. She looked great the crowded was roaring.

[loveangelc]

7. and again how old are you?

[rodeodance]

17. immature response from you

[loveangelc]

20. I honestly just want to know? Is it too much to ask? Im 20 btw.

[rodeodance]

26. I do not care to give out my age.

[Yael]

14. "the crowd was roaring"

The crowd was a bunch of reporters typing into their laptops.

[rodeodance]

15. fact is she replayed the press conference on the stump today-abc evening news.

[K Gardner]

24. ROFL.. you go, Yael !

[rodeodance]

28. you both foolish now--spewing off when either of you knew what you were yacking about. bye

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[PassingFair]

41. LOL LOL LOL

Look at the "roaring crowd"!

It's HUGH!!!11!

:rofl:

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[K Gardner]

23. Exactly.. it'd be breaking news and the pundits would be called in to comment endlessly. Just

like if Obama was the one behind, losing 11 in a row, etc., everyone would be screaming from the MSMegaphones for him to suspend his campaign.

[CarbonDate]

29. Yeah, three words if Obama did that:

Angry Black Man. The election would be over. Clinton would be the nominee.

Then again, it's not working too well for Clinton, either.

[KittyWampus]

34. Hillary Clinton- Angry White Woman

[tyne]

3. and her

"softeness" the other night was a set-up...for this.

Pure Rovian.

[bleowheels]

4. No doubt about it.

She claims a supporter gave here one of the flyers today and it was the first time she had seen one. Uh huh.

[rodeodance]

5. I saw her on the evening news. she was wonderful. amuzing that she got O. attention. ha ha

[americanstranger]

47. Got zero attention?

I drove into NYC this afternoon and had the news radio on - she completely siezed this news cycle. It was on every half hour for the entire day.

- as

[SteveM]

8. The "plagiarism" thing was so small potatoes and wooden...

I'm not completely sold on Obama, but one thing I understand: it's not just right-wing Republicans who can't stand the "Democrat Party," it's a lot of Democrats. They are uninspired, even repelled, by what has passed for leadership and progressive policies over the last thirty years. Unfairly or not, Hillary has come to symbolize the malaise in the Beltway.

[truedelphi]

12. You say:

Unfairly or not, Hillary has come to symbolize the malaise in the Beltway.

BINGO!

[blm]

9. I know - I don't buy her faux outrage or the idea she lost control touted by some.

.

[yardwork]

10. Psst. "Unhinged" has been called back. People noticed.

The replacement word will be coming up momentarily. Check your inbox.

[Bushwick Bill]

11. Exactly, even her outrage is fake.

I sort of bought her bullshit closing statement in the debate the other day. Not anymore. Nice work, Hill, you just fucked yourself with this latest bullshit fake outrage hail mary.

[rodeodance]

18. HA HA---everything is fake to you. ---just can't admit she did great today.

[cali]

36. fair or unfair, most people will not see her as doing "great"

today, I don't think. They'll view her as a virago. People are keenly aware of tone even more than the meaning of actual words. She came off as mean spirited and angry. Sorry, people do NOT go for angry. If she could have delivered her message in a more measured and dignified way, it could have been effective.

[scheming daemons]

51. If she did great, why did she drop 3% in the election markets yesterday....

...that tells you what the BETTING public thought of her tirade.

[Medusa]

32. Like her tears

come on people-her campaign hired a DRAMA COACH for the woman. :eyes:

[LadyVT]

13. She has 4 new ads out today.

[rodeodance]

16. GREAT --thanks for the news

[AZBlue]

19. She's not unhinged, she's a duplicitous liar

Here's her latest "non-attack" "truthful" ad:

[conservdem]

21. Agreed.

[donheld]

46. Could it possibly be she's an unhinged duplicitous liar?

:shrug:

[conservdem]

54. At this point, I still think it was a calculated act.

[donheld]

55. with her it's always a calculated act. n/t

[progressive_realist]

22. Curious. So it's outrageous for him to attack her record?

Those assertions he made on the fliers are true. She supported NAFTA right up until this campaign. Just like she only decided we need to withdraw from Iraq a few months ago. And she has stated she would consider garnishing wages for her health insurance mandates.

Her feigned outrage is, of course, a Rovian tactic. Her campaign is the dirty one, so naturally she has to accuse Obama's to deflect attention from her own. Up until this last debate, I was giving Clinton the benefit of the doubt and assuming it was just her campaign that had decided to wallow in the mud, but her Xerox comment proved that she is 100% on board with the petty attacks.

:puke:

The only bright side to the Clinton campaign continuing to sink to new lows is that the Clintons are going to be finished in politics after this. Bill Clinton was a good President at the time, but times have changed and their Third Way, triangulating politics are no longer good for the country. 2006 showed that we can do better.

[johnnydrama]

25. i truly believe

that she wanted as many flyers as possible so she could use the back of them for her flyers.

She is short on money ya know.

[AZBlue]

27. Good one!

:rofl:

[GoldieAZ49]

30. underhanded? no. Just Politics

and Obama came off as rather condescending when asked about it.

He only has 10 days to go and he will have it in the bag, he needs to ride the mo.

[psychopomp]

31. I really hope she tries "spade work" again

[JVS]

57. What was that?

[Az_lefty]

33. Hillary needs to get out of this race to preserve any integrity she has left

[Political Heretic]

37. Calculated? Yes. It was pretty much her only option. Underhanded? No.

It's politics. Welcome to the NFL.

She has little choice left but to go as aggressively negative as possible. It's not going to help, because its too late. If her campaign was seriously going to do this tactic, it should have started three months ago to get any traction. Their indecision and refusal to accept the seriousness of the Obama campaign has basically cost them the nomination. At this point its WAY too late to gain the kind of political traction she needs from a sudden, jolting switch to aggressive negative. In fact it will probably end up hurting her at this point.

[NMMatt]

40. I agree mostly

But going negative at the same time as talking about coming together is only confusing voters and making her appear worse than either approach by itself.

[Political Heretic]

43. YES I agree there. It makes her look more like her campaign is in disarray

[Breeze54]

38. "All is fair in Love and War"

Grow a thicker skin.

[NMMatt]

39. True, but this is making her look worse

It's the "Let's all come together" one day and the outraged rant the next. Do you really want the voters in Ohio and Texas confused about what is going to come next. I mean, honestly, can you tell me which Hillary will show up at the debate? Will both? By the time March 4 comes along nobody will be thinking about fliers or who said what about healthcare, they will be thinking - one candidate is offering an optimistic message and talking mostly about the issues, the other is all over the place and comes across quite frankly as a bit unstable (not that she is unstable... but comes across that way due to her incompetent campaign).

I really have a hard time seeing how this will win her more votes than the ones she's going to drive away.

[Breeze54]

42. HRC being assertive and showing some anger doesn't make her look bad at all, in my book.

This is a FIGHT!!! Did you miss that point? :shrug:

Hillary has given similar speeches on the Senate floor, full of fire and brimstone.

Where have you been that you didn't know that?

A lot of Senators and Reps give the same type's of speeches all the time.

Oh...wait a minute.. I forgot. She's a WOMAN getting out of line?!

Is that the problem? :shrug:

[NMMatt]

44. Being a woman has nothing to do with it

Nor does the angry fighter approach. It is being all over the place that is making her look bad. That's her campaign's fault, not hers.

So tell me this... who do you expect at the debate? Angry Hillary? Let's all come together Hillary? Both Hillaries? The fact that we don't know is what is the problem here.

[Breeze54]

45. I don't have a problem with what she does at her next debate.

Maybe you do but I don't.

She's moved into fighting mode.

So what? :shrug:

That's to be expected.

If you're worried about what others will think of her for that... don't be!

She's used to being criticized for everything she does, so why should she

care what the asshole pundits say? Why would you?

I suspect many voters have already made up their minds by now already.

This is a nation of sheeple, or did you forget that fact?





Here's an old one!

[Perry Logan]

48. It's weird when the anti-Hillarties can't even agree on their story.

[TexasObserver]

49. Like her faked outrage before Wisconsin, this will backfire.

She simply does not understand that her tired old routine is not selling, so ramping it up another notch is counter productive.

[Skwmom]

50. I think she's already looking toward 2012. If she can split the

party enough so that Obama loses in November, then she probably thinks she'll have a lock on the nomination in 2012 (and will be running against a very old McCain). For awhile people have said her tactics make no sense, but they do if you consider 2012.

[From The Left]

52. Hillary Has Gone Rovian

You almost think Rove is working her.

[ecdab]

53. She hasn't gone Rovian

and that's coming from somebody that has ended up in the Obama camp.

Certainly, from a policy stand point - I see nothing wrong with Obama challenging her previous support of free trade policy. Like her IWR vote, it does call into question some of her judgment - and I think she needs to clearly explain it. I haven't heard her explain either in a satisfactory manner (and I doubt she can, at least as I measure things).

I wish both Obama and Clinton would walk more carefully around the others health care reform packages. My feeling is that it's going to take everybody that wants to see a change in that capacity coming together to get anything done. And that what ever the change ends up being that it will not look a whole bunch like it was initially proposed. Unfortunately the minor differences in their plans are some of the only policy differences between them - so they get more attention than they deserve.

But back to the Rovian thing - Rovian types of politics is what we already seeing bubble to the surface of the right-wing attack machine; calling out Obama as a "blame-America-firster", "unpatriotic", and smearing him as a plant for anti-American groups abroad. That's Rovian and that is what is coming, along with a Southern Strategy that is right out there in broad day-light. If you think a little bit of exaggerated emotion coming from Hillary is "Rovian" you need to brace yourself for the ugly that is to come - I'm very confident that Obama already has.

[conservdem]

56. She's the one that accused him of a Rovian attack.

Have you seen the clip?