To all of Hillary's female supporters

[NJmaverick]

Look, I know I have been combative in my support of Obama. I feel bad about that, and I have been thinking. I know it had to be very special for you. It had to be great after some 230+ years of oppression to have a very real chance to have a woman president. There had to be very real anticipation that the glass ceiling would be shattered once and for all. It must have been nice thinking of the sexist pigs you could needle, with the fact that there was a woman president.
You were excited and supportive and why not? Hillary was a very qualified candidate. She had the experience and the positions. Frankly if it were 4 years ago, and her toughest challenge was John Kerry, she would already have the nomination locked up. Unfortunately that didn't happen. As luck would have it, there was another very special candidate running. I am sure that has to be very disappointing. It really has to sting, especially in the light that it looked like she would have been the sure winner. I will say this, I feel for you. I am sorry for the disparging remarks I made, in the heat of the campaign, against Hillary's supporters.
In the end I wish there was a way for two barriers to be broken in this election. Unfortunately that wasn't possible. Only one was going to be able to achieve victory. I hope in the end you can at least take comfort in the fact that the Dems will be nominating a strong candidate. One that should be able to defeat the womanizing sexist John McCain (who left his first wife the minute she lost her model looks).
So again I want to say I understand how you feel. I appreciate the passion with which you supported your candidate. You fought the good fight. I hope we can put this difficult primary campaign behind us, and once more unite in our struggle to undo the damage the Republicans have done to this Country and the world.

[Fredda Weinberg]

1. Strong candidate? Not yet ... let HRC work on him a bit longer n/t

[KittyWampus]

14. what's Hillary going to do next, come down with a case of the vapors?

[emilyg]

37. You are a non-person.

What I really want to call you I can't.

[LadyVT]

2. thank you, nomad1776!!

[CoffeeCat]

3. If there is one thing that Barack Obama has shown me...

...it is that America is ready for a black President and has been for probably many years, even
decades. I always wondered how prevalent racism was. Is it deep enough to keep a great African
American candidate out of the White House? The answer is "NO!".

Conversely, America IS ready for a female President. We just haven't had the right female candidate yet.

For so long, there's been this illusion that racists, and sexists and homophobes rule they day. We
know the undercurrent is there, but we just didn't know for sure how strong it was or how much it
was affecting people.

The truth is---most people are good and decent. They are not racist. They aren't misogynists and they
don't think women are second-class citizens.

We are so much better than the media portrays us. The average, decent person--going about their day will
never be seen in the media--but those who commit hate crimes and have outrageous, off-the-chart prejudices
surely will.

The world is much better than we suspect.

[BlackVelvet04]

12. bullshit.....

and there won't be the "right" woman as long as America embraces sexism and it does.

[CoffeeCat]

15. I totally disagree with you...

The right woman can be the CEO of a company--but not every woman.

Hillary was not rejected because she is a woman. She was rejected because
of her policies. Period.

Making this an issue about sexism is to denounce the intelligence of so many
people, like myself, who thought long and hard about this decision.

More people than ever--are plugged into politics in this country. They're
engaged.

Sexism had nothing to do with Hillary being defeated. She was ahead in the polls
for many months. The majority of Dems wanted her at one point. They sure
weren't sexist when she was the number one Dem candidate for many months.

[Forkboy]

22. And yet oddly I can think of many I'd prefer over any of our choices.

[bellasgrams]

13. I have to disagree with you. White men are not Voting for

Hillary. The males in our family have talked to their co-workers, and most of the men have said they would rather vote for a black man than a woman. It really angers me that some of these men have daughters and most have wifes, would they like their own female family members, with better credentials, get passed over for a job?

[MichiganVote]

17. If this is the race that is not about race, or so Obama supporters proclaim,

why then do you bring race into it?

[bellasgrams]

27. If that is in response to my 'white male' statement it's not about

race it's about the fact they won't vote for a woman. If you listen to the news they are saying the same thing. I don't know about black males but they are also probably voting for BO.

[MichiganVote]

29. My post was not in response to you.

[NastyRiffraff]

4. Appreciated, nomad, but...

Let's wait until after TX and OH before using the past tense in relation to Hillary, okay?

[NJmaverick]

6. Go ahead keep on campaigning

I believe that the race is over, but that doesn't mean you should stop (or even that I am right).

[BeatleBoot]

5. Why the Past Tense? Does Obama have 2,025 yet?

What did I miss?

Last I checked he's not at 2,025.

[NJmaverick]

8. I believe the race is over

I believe the polls, the endorsements, the momentum all point towards an Obama victory. Still I am not suggesting you should abandon your candidate.

[DJ13]

7. "Frankly if it were 4 years ago......"

Im an Obama supporter, never really liked the Clintons, but had she ran in 2004 against those who DID run back then I would have been her biggest supporter, as I believe she would have walked all over Bush in the GE and saved our country from the last 4 years of economic damage and the further erosion of our standing in the world.

Why she didnt run then I'll never know, but a little voice in my head tells me Bubba promised his good buddy Bush 41 that his wife wouldnt run against junior, or (the simple answer) the Clinton's were too scared of Rove to risk her losing.

All water under the bridge now, but I am not willing to forgive the Clintons for putting this country through an additional 4 years of Bush.

Go Obama!

[LadyVT]

9. She probably believed she didn't have enough Senate experience (cough)

[DJ13]

11. Why? She could STILL have claimed "30+ years experience"

Wouldnt have made that much of a difference.

[papau]

10. males on the left that saw Hillary as the one that would make real change happen and not compromise

it away for some GOP LOVE in an effort to change the atmosphere in DC are also disappointed - and note that the black man got the vote more than 50 years before the white or black women.

Indeed those of us that see a commander in chief comparison that may well cost Obama the election are rather sad that others see a fellow that walks on water where we see a slick down and dirty Chicago Daly machine politician.

But your concern for the ladies that support Hillary is noted.

[NJmaverick]

21. I am sure that is the case

If you are one of them my sentiments apply to you as well.

[MichiganVote]

16. I find it interesting that you target your remarks to females nomad,

when there are many males on this board and elsewhere who share in the goal of advancing a female for president of the US. Its also true that I have read post after post by people who would/will support either an Obama or a Clinton nomination. So it seems you have left a few people out of your equation.

Be that as it may...I have read your posts as well as many others. I've read the good, the bad, the trite, the ugly and the highly ridiculous. Since it is apparent that you are an Obama supporter I can only surmise that his sainted oratory has led to a conversion of calmness of some kind.

Well and good. You're entitled to your feelings.

Yet I doubt your sincerity when you claim to "appreciate the passion" that others, females I assume, use to support their candidate. As to fighting the "good" fight....unlike you, some male and female voters have lived through countless male candidacies. Somehow we'll manage to fight for a female nominee in another and another and another election.

I do not like to think that the voters for a female candidate need take comfort from you or need reminders of what kind of nominee may hold office. A "strong candidate" does not always make for a strong president. So that is a wait and see proposition....for everyone, including you.

No, on the whole while I'm sure you wholeheartedly support your sincerity, I believe any number of voters will withhold a measure of belief in your sentiments...and your candidate. Time will tell.

[NJmaverick]

20. I am not suggesting Hillary doesn't have male supporters

If I did I wouldn't have addressed my post to the female supporters. I am talking to the female supporters, because they have a special interest in this race. I appreciate that there disappointment is going to be greater than what one normally experiences, when their candidate loses. I am also not suggesting that you are not disappoint. I think my post pretty much explains what I wanted to say, and I specifically addressed the female supporters.

[MichiganVote]

24. Yes you are. And you continue to deny and distort the truth which is that plenty of men

support a female for the nomination. And have in the past supported countless elections that had a female front and center, including the Senator's own state. You assume that females alone have a special interest in this particular race..(a. because of Senator Clinton, which is not verifiable and probably not true and (b. because you assume that this particular race is won by Obama, female supporters alone are disappointed.

My, what a decidedly narrow point of view you have. Nice try cowboy, but I think your sympathy is misplaced and wholly disingenuous.

[NJmaverick]

26. I am not going to argue or fight with you

I believe the time for that, has passed. I wish you well

[MichiganVote]

28. That's usually what my husband says when he has tried to be a meat head too.

[NJmaverick]

33. If it makes you feel better

Go ahead, call me a meat head. ;-)

Although I would think self important horse's backside, might be better description.

[MichiganVote]

35. Yeah I think that works...for you...but who knows you might find some dumb females

who like this kind of 'Awww...that's so sweet' thread. :)

Seriously, post your thoughts again after 2/4 but do use the two genders in your remarks. It just doesn't quite work as it is nomad.

[NJmaverick]

38. OK, if that's what you want

[Deep13]

18. Of all the animals, the hen is the wisest.

She only clucks after the egg is laid.

[Forkboy]

23. But by then it's too late!

I want to know the egg is coming before it arrives dammit! :)

[Ichingcarpenter]

30. but she counted her eggs before they were hatched

Unfortunately Mark Penn was looking after her eggs.

[Deep13]

31. What the hell are you talking about?

:think: :crazy: :silly: :wtf: :shrug: :yoiks:

[goodgd_yall]

19. Thank you, nomad1776

Eventually, we'll all be together and facing the REAL opposition.

[Deep13]

25. Speak for yourself.

When my state (OH) votes on the 4th, I'm done.

[BlackVelvet04]

32. I'd really like to think that is sincere but

I find the conciliatory threads to be a little bit late in coming and a bit self-serving. We're not done with the fight and this woman will NOT be voting for Obama IF he is the nominee.

[NJmaverick]

34. If you think McCain is the best person to run our Country

Do what you think you have to.

[BlackVelvet04]

36. No, I don't think McCain is the best person to run the country

but I also don't think Obama is by any means. I'm not holding my nose to vote ever again. Period.

[Beausoir]

39. You got it!

Not going to happen. Ever.

[BlackVelvet04]

41. I've done it since I was 18 years old

and I'm 54....that's too damn long. One of the joys of aging is learning to be true to yourself and not giving a flying flip what other people think. I've arrived.

[Arkansas Granny]

40. While I appreciate your sentiment I feel I should remind you that

not all women who support Hillary do so only because she is a woman. I would also like to remind you that there are men who also support her. She doesn't draw all of her support from one demographic.

Hillary was not my first choice, but after Edwards dropped out of the race I switched my support to her after really examining her stance on the issues compared with Obama and deciding that I was more in agreement with Hillary. We have a choice right now between two extremely capable candidates who have ignited more passion in the Democratic primaries than I have seen in a long time. Both of these candidates is making history for the Democratic party right now and the election of either one of them to the Presidency will be historic for our country.

Like you, I will be glad when we stop fighting among ourselves and start working together to elect a Democrat for the sake of our country.

:hi:

[Raejeanowl]

42. You Wrongly Assume It's Primarily Because She's A Woman

Rather than her femaleness being this fabulous bonus. I would not have voted for or supported a featherweight. I wouldn't want what I see as an unready or unqualified individual in that position, female or not.

There is still a way to break two barriers simultaneously. Some of us will not get EXACTLY what we wanted, but...I don't think it will happen.