"Bitch is the new black" - Tina Fey

[Beacool]

Did anyone else see this segment on SNL?

Go Tina, go Hillary!!!!!!!!


:rofl:

[frakus6]

1. saw that

hilarious!

[Maddy McCall]

2. I saw it. I hope it's up on youtube in a minute or two.

:thumbsup:

[Beacool]

3. Oops,

I didn't realize someone posted the same thing a minute earlier than me.

Still funny though........

Come on OH & TX vote for Hillary!!!!!!!!!


:rofl:

[AX10]

4. I saw it!

Kick

[redstate_democrat]

6. So you all think

that saying "bitch", a derogatory word, is the new "black" is a cool thing to say?

[Beacool]

8. Normally I would agree, but in this case the word "bitch"

was used as a term of empowerment by a woman to salute another. Tina even explained that "bitches" are tough and get things done and that she was a "bitch" too.

Now, if that comment had come from a man, I would have kneed him in the balls.


:shrug:

[MADem]

13. Fellers can't say it, and no one can say it in a derogatory or insulting fashion.

It's like the affectionate use of the "N" word--we know damn well when it is meant with "love" and when it is meant to degrade. And we know damn right well that there isn't a pasty pale caucasian, Asian, or Hispanic that can get away with using that word, unless they're plainly QUOTING someone and provide a full citatation.

It is one of those "situational" words. Tina Fey was in the "situation" to use it.

And she used it to BRILLIANT effect. She OWNED it, and defined it in the best and most positively possible sense of the word...

:rofl:

[redstate_democrat]

15. Well

I don't think the "N" word can be used in an affectionate way. It is ignorant to use, regardless of who is using it. I feel the same way about the word bitch. Don't ever call me a bitch and think you will walk away with your balls.

[MADem]

27. Well, maybe YOU don't. But D.L. Hughley and a slew of others don't agree with you.

Imus scolding by civic leaders notwithstanding.

Turn on Russell Simmons' Def Comedy Jam, and you just might learn something. There's plenty of affection in those standups. And plenty of 'language' flying around that might not be appropriate if taken out of context.

If you were to scold everytime you heard that word uttered on that show, you'd have a tough time catching your breath.

I wouldn't call you or anyone a bitch. It's not appropriate for me to so do.

That said, if Ms. Fey wants to redefine the word and use it as a tool of empowerment to describe herself and other "strong women," that's HER perogative. It's not for ME to tell HER what she can or cannot do. After all, she's a strong woman.

More power to her.

[redstate_democrat]

29. Wow.

So I guess if a bunch of black people say the "N" word on Def Comedy Jam, then that means black people in general consider the word a term of endearment, huh? I gather you're not black. Don't point to a bullshit, classless show to learn me on what the black community considers endearing. FOR YOUR INFORMATION, the NAACP has come out against and banned that word. I believe the Urban League has as well. So a bunch of classless, ignorant rappers and comedians don't represent MOST of black America.

[MADem]

35. There you go again, deliberately obtuse once more!

No one taught you to read as a child? Awww. Don't know where you made that grand leap from what I said.

But you like leaping, don't you? You jump to conclusions at every opportunity.

You're not black, so cut the shit. Otherwise you wouldn't calll the group of amusing raconteurs that Mister Simmons gathers, and Mr. Hughley hosts, as a bunch of "classless, ignorant rappers and comedians."

We know exactly what you are. Bundle up, it's damp where you're at.

[ldf]

50. yawn

n/t

[MADem]

59. ...

:rofl:

Ho hum, yeah, sure!

[NDambi]

44. "I don't think the "N" word can be used in an affectionate way."

My grandmother once washed my brother's mouth out with soap for using the word "affectionately" with my cousin.

[MADem]

62. Well, you're wrong. But then, you often are. Your grandmother

would need a tractor trailer full of soap to just get started, nowadays. Like it, or not.

Here's a little reading on the topic for your edification--this guy's area of expertise is race, FWIW: http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/_nysun-calling_each_other_dear.htm

...When black men call each other the N-word. it is an affectionate equalizer. Debates over the N-word must begin with the basic fact assumed, not debated, that the N-word has two meanings. That happens to words. Take the word "happen," whose root meant "to succeed" six millennia ago.

Nevertheless, there are people who want us to treat the N-word as a special case, because of the historical associations of the slur usage with slavery and segregation.

But folks, we have to pick our battles and this one is a distinctly unpromising choice. Trying to put a pox on young black men calling each other the N-word is like putting a pox on dreadlocks or dancing. These men use the word as constantly and spontaneously as couples call one another "babe" or "sweetie."

The N-word is now stamped into the heart, and people making earnest pronouncements about its "implications" cannot touch that. I know one prominent and educated commentator on black issues who openly acknowledges using the N-word with friends.

The friendly usage is not as exotic as often thought. Men often fashion terms of abuse into terms of affection: recall the one episode of "Seinfeld" where George Costanza works with men who call each other "bastard" and "SOB" all the time.

Sure, one might ask why black men have opted to use the N-word of all words in this way instead of some other one. One might also ask why its usage has become so much more frequent over the past 20 years. And the answer is that it is a perfect way of plugging in to the unprecedented electric currency of alienation in today's "urban" black culture. Yes, alienation wasn't invented in 1987, but black men in the era of the Scottsboro boys did not emphasize it the way their descendants do....

And here's the CV of the author:

John H. McWhorter, Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute, writes and comments extensively on race, ethnicity and cultural issues for the Institute's Center for Race and Ethnicity. He also writes a regular column in the New York Sun. McWhorter's new book, Winning the Race: Beyond the Crisis in Black America (Gotham Books) was released in early 2006 and has already generated widespread acclaim. He was nominated for an NAACP Image Award for Outstanding Literary Work in Non-Fiction and has appeared numerous national TV and radio shows, such as Meet the Press, John McLaughlin's One on One, the O'Reilly Factor and NPR's Fresh Air. McWhorter is also a well-known and widely published linguistics scholar.

John McWhorter is also the author of the New York Times Best seller Losing the Race (Harper Perennial), and an anthology of race writings, Authentically Black (Gotham Books). McWhorter's work on race and cultural issues has appeared in leading publications such as The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, The Washington Post, The National Review, City Journal, and The Chronicle of Higher Education. McWhorter also does regular commentaries for All Things Considered.

In addition to his work for the Center for Race and Ethnicity, McWhorter is a noted linguist and the author of The Power of Babel: A Natural History of Language, on how the world's languages arise, change, and mix, and Doing Our Own Thing: The Degradation of Language and Music in America and Why We Should, Like, Care. He has also written a book on dialects and Black English, The Word on the Street, and three books on Creole languages. The Teaching Company released his 36-lecture audiovisual course The Story of Human Language in 2004. His latest academic book on linguistics is Defining Creole. The next, Language Interrupted: Signs of Non-Native Acquisition in Standard Language Grammars, will be published in 2007.

John McWhorter earned his PhD in linguistics from Stanford University in 1993 and became Associate Professor of Linguistics at UC Berkeley after teaching at Cornell University.

http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/mcwhorter.htm

[NDambi]

69. I'm wrong because my grandmother washed my cousins' mouth out with soap

for using the word, now how does that make sense. Did you mean my grandmother was wrong for doing it? Where did I mention what she would need today?

Contrary to popular belief and even what you may embrace as truth, some in the African American community happen to actually be offended by the use of the word..even when it is used by other black people (yes, shocking I know).

So go ahead, pull out all the research you want...it doesn't validate it or make it acceptable..no more than the "C" word for white people or the "F or D" word for those with alternative lifestyles, or the "C" for Asians, or "S" word for Hispanics, and so on...

Now, show me where I've been wrong before, I would appreciate a link. That's a bold statement..and your colors are quite pale..got ink?


Now you have a nice day Elsie!

[MADem]

70. No, you are wrong in asserting the impossibility of the affectionate use of the term.

But of course, you know that, yet you delighted in being "willfully clueless" in "interpreting" my rather plainspoken response to you.

I won't do your homework for you--look at your own archives. I don't want to spend the day wallowing in bullshit, thanks anyway.

What's with the Elsie? Is that some clever retort I'm supposed to "get" and feel bad about?

If you are comparing me to Doctor Elsie Johnson McDonald, why, I'll cheerfully take that comparison. You may recall her, if you've been even a mediocre student of history. She wrote “The Double Task: The Struggle of Negro Women for Sex and Race Emancipation”

Here you go, a link for your plainly needed edification: http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5126/

[NDambi]

71. No, Shanjice, you miss the point entirely.. I said my grandmother washed my cousins' mouth out with

soap for using the word, period. You stretched it like taffy!

Again, post some of my threads where I've been wrong before. If you can't, that's fine, just don't dance around it or duck when you have no rhythm..it's not pretty.. Again, got ink? Thought not.

Now as I said before, you have a nice day, Elsie, or Shankice or Hensina
or Wasula or Minka..you choose..


Elsie Johnson McDonald. ha ha...not! If you're like her, Hillary has won 10 in a row..


Btw, kiss kiss...mookie mocha mock..lmao

[MADem]

76. Look upthread, and note that you said the word cannot be used in an affectionate way.

IN YOUR SUBJECT LINE.

Get over yourself. Oh, and why don't you change your avatar .... again? For our amusement.

You do know that personal invective is against the DU rules? Your foolishness with the recital of names as well as your last line is intended to imply something--it's fact, though, that it is something that resides deep within the crevices of your own mind, unrevealed to the rest of us.

Perhaps that is just as well.

[NDambi]

79. No, you get over yourself...

I said, my grandmother washed my cousin's mouth out with soap for using the term "affectionately," I never said it wasn't or couldn't be used that way. I quoted the other poster, so I could post my comment. Period. You can't flip the script on me, it doesn't work, Mekina.

You simply want to justify the use of the word, with your "N" word research and Def Comedy Jam, as if it represents how the AA community feel in general about this issue and I completely disagree. C'est La Vie..get over and beyond it!

Btw, nothing is embedded in my mind, it's all out there for you to read. But since you're such a scholar, do some research and find out the meaning of the monikers I've bestowed upon you before you cry negativity, invectives or feign injury. If you require assistance..if you fail, please utter the word and I shall come to your rescue.

But perhaps, it's just as well, if you don't. Either way, life moves right along and I'm here to stay..even if it's to your disapproval and dismay, for I have broken no rules.

Oh and ..and pay attention, Anjeja, my avatar has been the same since I joined, but please continue to be amused, for it helps with the disposition.

I understand why you're upset and angry, but take it out on Hillary's campaign, not me.

[MADem]

82. You are free to disagree in your opinion, you aren't free to issue your own facts.

The fact is, I provided citations and research to back up what I said.

You give me your granny's opinion and try to substitute it for fact. I don't "justify" use of the N word, and if you read for context -- a challenge, perhaps --- you would see that. What I do is explain a fact--that in some quarters, the word has contextual meaning, and that meaning can be affectionate.

You apparently would prefer to be obtuse and deny the obvious. Go right ahead. I don't care.

I am not angry at all, and certainly not upset at your little needling efforts, I just find it a bit pathetic that you would stoop to such a frankly childish method of discourse, is all.

That's your problem, and it is a real one. I won't take it on or invest any energy in it, or you, to make you happy, sorry.

[NDambi]

83. yeah yeah..I'll be childish..and you remain who you are ..

Keep dancing! It keeps the heart young.

[Beacool]

19. I agree, I had actually written that it was similar to the "n" word

among African Americans, but ended up deleting it in case it was offensive to someone. The "n" word and the "c" word for women are the two words that I most despise and find offensive in the extreme, but I understand when black people use the "n" word as a term of endearment among themselves.

The "bitch" word when used by Tina was an acknowledgment of one strong woman to another, a tipping of the hat sort of speak.

[NashVegas]

49. It's Not New

Anyone remember 1970s Elton John?

[marshall]

51. Fellers say it to each other

I taught high school, and it was quite common for buddies to call each other bitch. Sometimes it meant that the person was acting weak but sometimes it was a term of endearment.

[MADem]

64. You're right. But that use isn't generally 'endearing' unless the context of the use is "wry." NT

[Drum]

5. saw it, loved it.

Tina rules.

[juajen]

7. They were great, and the show has been great tonight.

It's amazing how much I've missed this show, particularly for their political commentary.

[murielm99]

9. That was a good one.

I don't watch them very often these days. They are not usually this funny. I have thought for awhile that Fred is the only one who is funny any more.

[Windy]

10. to me, Bitch is the new black was over the top.

Tina must not know anyone who was sent to Iraq for no good reason with the approval of Hillary.

Not a very deep thinker. Its about much more than being a woman!!

Not this woman, not now.

There are many other women who would be more in line with truth, decency and fighting for what is right.

Barbara Boxer for one.

[Metric System]

12. Is this the war that Obama continues to vote to fund?

[Windy]

25. Have you served??? I have!!! The funding is for the troops, not the war!!

I get incensed with the IGNORANCE of Hillary supporters!!!

The military was sent to battle in an unnecessary war without the equipment they needed to keep them safe and to do the job they were sent their to do.

How DARE you equate the two!! Their families were buying their kevlar and reinforced helmets because they were sent without them!!!!

Bush will veto any bill put before him with timetable attached. He doesn't give a SHIT about the kids he sent over there.


We need an administration that will bring them home and never send them back out to war again for pure political reasons. Hillary voted for the IWR because she wanted to protect her own ass from "republican attacks" in the general election that she thought she had sewn up.

She was more concerned about preventing attacks on her during a political campaign than she was about protecting the men and women who volunteered to put their lives on the line for this country and who are at the mercy of the civilian congress and administration who send them off for their purposes.

Her political life meant more to her than the lives of the military men and women.

Do I hold it against Obama funding the troops? Hell no!! I personally send money to support the troops by helping buy their own damn kevlar!!!!!!!

Wake the hell up!!!!!

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

37. BRAVO!

:yourock:

[paperbag_ princess]

46. wrong

cutting the funding is done to force the administration to bring them home.

You can slowly dry up the money...allocating additional funds only for the purpose of exit.

You are repeating a RW talking point.


and yes this family has served many times over :)

[mrreowwr_kittty]

54. You are wrong. Tragically so.

Bush can get funding and almost unlimited credit to continue military operations without authorization from Congress. Ever hear of an obscure Civil War era law called the Feed and Forage Act? I'd suggest you look it up. The problem is these sociopathic new-con freaks have no qualms about leaving those kids over there with no armor of supplies. There are already reports of soldiers being reduced to begging Iraqis for food!

Stop equating what's going on here with Vietnam. They're not the same situation.

[question everything]

26. You don't know how to watch SNL, now, do you?

It is a satire where everything is being magnified.

Tine Fey was brilliant in that skit.

Most anti-Clinton threads here are about her hair, makeup, cleavage, her marriage.

Rarely do people actually talk about the issues. And the skit highlighted this.

[Bicoastal]

11. If Tina Fey really IS a Hillary supporter (cuz c'mon, it's a comedy show--you never know)

HRC should take her on the stump post haste.

It's just like I've been saying all along, Hillary people--the comedians are best served rooting for the underdog. Why do you think they a) had Obama cameo back in November, and b) brought Huckabee on tonight?

SNL isn't particularly biased--we are.

[flyarm]

14. it was brilliant!! i was cheering!! woohooo!!! eom

[Forkboy]

16. There's a double message there if anyone wants to ponder it.

About being both a woman and being black.

I'll leave it to you guys to figure it out though. I'm in a gaming mood. ;)

[loveangelc]

17. Yes, it is. We need good bitches in charge, but Hillary is not that bitch :)

[NDambi]

43. LOL TOUCHE'

[Colobo]

18. Tina Fey will have to vote for Obama in November.

It'll be sweet to hear her say: "Gobama!"

[Beacool]

21. Nobody HAS to vote for anybody.

If Hillary doesn't make it, Tina may choose to vote for McCain or even not vote at all. The assumption that everyone will automatically vote for Obama is quite presumptuous.

[Colobo]

22. If she's a Democrat, I assume she will vote Democrat in November.

[Beacool]

24. Not every Democrat will vote for Obama.

Just saying...........

[BenDavid]

20. obama doesn't speak unscripted because he is terrified

he will make a mistake. Look at the difference when he is forced to debate. He comes close to being at times incoherent like bush but obama paid attention in speech 101. That's what I like about HRC, she is actually the unscripted authentic candidate. She went after him today, no script, and it was good.

One thing I have noticed is that several of the media stories about her going after Obama have referred to her as being "passionate," not angry or shrill, which I appreciated.

Only in du will you find democrats hatred for hrc sounding just like rabid republicans

[redstate_democrat]

23. Are you in the right thread?

Just asking.

:hi:

[tammywammy]

30. That's what BenDavid does

Post random shit in threads.

[redstate_democrat]

34. Oh ok.

I was like, wtf? Where did this come from? I see.

[Bongo Prophet]

40. I think that's called dropping non sequiturds.

Yes, you can use that.

:hi:

[THUNDER HANDS]

28. did you hear, Hillary has lost 11 contests in a row

[Scurrilous]

31. Ouch!

:thumbsup:

[Maddy McCall]

32. Ok, Debbie Downer.

That was funny. :rofl:

[THUNDER HANDS]

33. wah, wah

:D

[Beacool]

38. Your point? n/t

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

36. When Bitch gets you incaricerated at higher levels

When bitch gets you treated like a thief the second you walk into a store..
When bitch gets you beaten on the side of the highway because you 'fit the description'

Then come back and try to call Bitch the new Black...

[woolldog]

41. Thanks.

Makes me wonder whether white american women are so out of touch that they think being a woman in this society is similar to being black, that the discrimination each group faces is even close to the same?

[LisaL]

53. Well, hello.

Black males got the right to vote some fifty years before women.
So, we can argue for a long time which group is more discriminated.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

56. Hmmmm...

And at what point were white women in the US treated like cattle on southern plantations?

[woolldog]

66. Only someone who doesn't know anything about history.

There's no comparison. White women have never been subject to the lynchings, to the brutal intimidation, and the segregation that blacks have had to deal with.

Do you understand why the Voting Rights Act was passed in the 1960s? You might want to crack open a history book...

[woolldog]

67. Only someone who doesn't know anything about history.

There's no comparison. White women have never been subject to the lynchings, to the brutal intimidation, and the segregation that blacks have had to deal with.

Do you understand why the Voting Rights Act was passed in the 1960s? You might want to crack open a history book...

[casus belli]

78. While technically accurate, the premise of your post is wrong....

Rather than argue the specifics, I would suggest you read up on the following. The fallacy of the underlying logic that blacks had the right to vote earlier than women becomes evident when you read about how those rights were subverted by Jim Crow, systemic vote discrimination and other prejudicial systems:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act

[VotesForWomen]

42. when black gets you raped... oh, nevermind.. nt

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

57. Actually..

Black women get raped at a far higer per capita amount than white women..

[NDambi]

45. ouch

[workinclasszero]

48. Thanks for that injection of reality into this "poor me" thread nt

[lastliberalintexas]

52. When Black gets you paid 72 cents for every dollar earned by (even) a Black male

When Black gets 1 of you raped every 10 seconds

When Black gets you abused in your own household and law enforcement do nothing about it

When Black gets you pushed into part time and/or glass ceiling work because you are the one who takes care of the family (including school work for the children, getting kids to the doctor, grocery shopping for the family, etc)

When Black gets you pushed into poverty at higher rates post-divorce than your ex-spouse

When Black gets you an unwanted, unplanned pregnancy due to ineffective and outdated contraception even though millions can be spent on little blue pills...


Until then, fuck off. No one ever said that 2 groups of people can not be treated equally bad in this country.



And I'm not a supporter of Clinton.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

55. Do you really want to go there?

Income worse for Women than African Americans?

<>

Victim of Rape?

Approximately 81% of rape victims are white; 18% are African American, and 1% are of
other races. (African American women are raped at a higher per capita rate than white women)

Law enforcement being indifferent?

Well I suppose young black teens shot while fleeing could only *dream* of indifference but dont worry black youth of America just call 911 when you need them in an african american neighborhood and youll see it then.

Glass Ceiling for Women alone?

At the highest levels of business, there is indeed a barrier only rarely penetrated by women or persons of color. 97 percent of the senior managers of Fortune 1000 industrial and Fortune 500 companies are white; 95 to 97 percent are male....

Poverty?

Dont even go there, given the poverty rate as a whole among married and non married African americans is so high you cant even compare the two.

Pregnancy?

Far more blacks than whites end up with unwanted pregnancies...

Sorry but on the whole its far better to be a white woman than an African American in the US.. BTW Vulgar language does not win you any points..

[lastliberalintexas]

60. Did you even read my post?

I said that the 2 groups are treated equally poorly in the US, and was merely responding to your original post implying that women can't complain when compared to (mostly) Black MALE issues you raised. The fact that both are treated badly doesn't mean women should hush up until Blacks are on par with whites, you know.

Indeed, as a group, Black and Hispanic women have probably the hardest lives in the US.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

72. Sorry but youre wrong

African Americans are treated *far* worse than Women! When the op says 'B&#%^ is the new Black' it implies that Women are *as* persecuted as Blacks... And there is not a white person with two working brain cells who would rather be a black man than a white woman when pulled over by a cop!.

[lastliberalintexas]

61. Did you even read my post?

I said that the 2 groups are treated equally poorly in the US, and was merely responding to your original post implying that women can't complain when compared to (mostly) Black MALE issues you raised. The fact that both are treated badly doesn't mean women should hush up until Blacks are on par with whites, you know.

Indeed, as a group, Black and Hispanic women have probably the hardest lives in the US.

[woolldog]

68. The two groups are not treated "equally poorly"

And the idea that women earn 72 cents on the dollar has been thoroughly debunked.

[Tomboys]

39. Re; Bitch is the new Black

Yes! I keep liking Tina Fey more and more. :toast:

[grace0418]

47. Tina was fantastic! I love her.

Not voting for Hillary but I'd vote for Tina!

[robbedvoter]

58. See my new sig line - and also, the scene it reminded me of (Cordy vs ghost)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4740969&mesg_id=4741866

[Straight Shooter]

63. Someone mentioned to me that the word "bitch" stands for ...

Babe
In
Total
Control of
Herself

Doesn't mean her emotions are locked down; it means she knows who she is and what she wants from life.

I'm only a half-bitch; I still haven't figured out what I want. Extra props to women like Hillary who do :)

[HughBeaumont]

65. Wow. Satire or not, I'm glad these women think so highly of themselves.

So let's all hop on the train of someone who:

* believed the worst president this country's ever had . .. twice, I might add . . . when lives were on the line and on the perception of a country as a threat or not
* keeps the free trader, job-offshorer corporatists happy (Hill seems to forget that there's this thing called The Internets that can dig up pro-job-offshoring statements she made three years ago as opposed to her ripped-straight-from-John-Edwards populist stump now)
* voted for the 2001 Bankruptcy bill
* voted NAY on the Cluster Bomb vote
* is buddy/buddy with Rupert Murdoch

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/HughBeaumont/32

Seems to me whenever Bewsh and Corporate America said "jump", Hillary says "how high and through how many hoops?"

Who's the real "bitch" here?

America needs to end the Bewsh/Clinton White House timeshare. No Cotton Hill lookalikes either.

[applegrove]

73. ROTFLMAO!

[Raffi Ella]

74. I LOVE TINA FEY.

I just saw the you tube clip - AWESOME!!!



Ya' damn right Hillary is a Bitch and you should thank your lucky stars that she is and that she's on your side.

GO HILLARY! :kick:

[Little Star]

75. That whole skit was funny!

[MADem]

77. NBC keeps taking it down off YOUTUBE, but people keep slapping it up!

A 'fair use' news clip can be found here: http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/77643/

[robbedvoter]

80. Clip also at crooks and liars

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/02/24/snl-tina-fey-on-the-most-important-womens-news-issue/

[robbedvoter]

81. here's the u tube still there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmPS9VxD4eE