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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 09:31 AM
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Central Organizing Principles
"On Saturday afternoon Al Gore called me from Carthage, Tennessee, and asked whether I would help on his acceptance speech. I said of course and asked what he had in mind saying. He spoke for quite a time about global environmental problems, ‘family values,’ the ‘spirit of caring,’ and the need for ‘connections.’ He talked with passion about the rescue of the planet – ‘the central organizing principle for the 21st century.’

"He went on to attack the ‘hubristic’ assumption that we are sufficient unto ourselves and wandered off into a long disquisition about gnosticism, Maimonides, Thomas Aquinas, Descartes ….People are now questioning the assumption that individuals are separate units unconnected to natural world and to society. We are coming to understand the importance of interrelationships – our duty to the environment, to our families, to our communities, etc. Unusual talk from a politician. ….

"He then mused for a while about the generational aspect. ‘The baby-boomers are coming of governing age – and everything is declining as we take over the reins.’ The world is changing, he said, and the shift calls for ‘a redefinition of our relationship to reality. We are going through the greatest change in the world since the scientific revolution.’ He spoke about the potentialities of high technology – supercomputers, fiber optic cables, information highways, and other esoterica. …

"He then discoursed about ‘values’ and returned to his insistence of the day before the urgent need for individuals to locate themselves as part of larger wholes, getting in touch with nature and with society. ‘Our duty is not just to what helps us as individuals but what is good beyond ourselves. …..People living unto themselves feel that their lives have no meaning. We must work to reestablish the balance of nature, and we must work to reestablish the balance of society. As the false assumption that we are not connected to our natural environment creates the ecological crisis, so the false assumption that we are not connected to the larger community creates the social crisis. We must restore the connections. …. We are in a spiritual crisis. The problem is how to define our place in the universe.’ "
--Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.; Journals; July 21,1992; pages 724 -727.

When I watched some of the televised coverage of the presidential primaries yesterday, and read through many of the threads on the GD-P forum of the Democratic Underground, I was reminded of how one of my best friends had hoped that Al Gore would run for reelection in 2008. After reading "The Assault on Reason," I thought that Gore had moved beyond competitive politics. The campaign process alone is so divisive, and tends to appeal to the negative side of both candidates and their supporters.

Politicians, like all human beings, have both a "good" side and a "bad" side. An interesting example is VP Dick Cheney: a number of people who used to be on good terms with him in the 1980s have said that they do not recognize him today. Cheney represents the dark potential of humanity.

In the current republican primary, there has been some confusion created by Governor Huckabee’s attempts to portray himself as a positive force in government. It made their party anxious. Willard Romney was forced out of the contest, but secured his place in his party’s future by delivering his most hate-filled speech when he stepped aside.

In a year when their party had no real leader, the republicans are settling on an angry and bitter John McCain, who promises another 100 years of war in Iraq, and more wars in the future. Yet this alone did not seem enough to secure the support of all of the party: it took reports of cheating and scandal to really rally the republican troops.

The democratic party’s primary presents a closer contest – at least on paper -- than that of the republicans. As the field of candidates was reduced to three, and then two, the democrats showed the potential to become as bitterly divided as the republicans could possible have hoped for. Appeals were made to the diseased passions of racism and sexism, and former President Bill Clinton’s behavior during the South Carolina contest will long be remembered as severely damaging his wife’s campaign.

Barack Obama’s campaign, and his supporters, have been attacked by both the Clinton campaign and now the McCain camp for being too positive in outlook. The attempts by Senator Obama to call upon the better natures of American citizens has been mistakenly called a weakness by those confused individuals who believe that dirty politics, with its insults, distortions, misrepresentations, outright lies and cheap attacks are the sign of strength.

In the latest democratic debate, many anticipated that Senator Clinton would resort to ugly tactics. The one most notable attempt by her was booed by the audience, and has been correctly identified as an utter failure by all objective people. However, Senator Clinton the politician was temporarily eclipsed by Hillary Clinton, the human being, at the end of the debate. She spoke about unity – including what appeared a sincere statement expressing her pride at being there on stage with Barack Obama.

That moment clearly opened a door to the potential of the democratic party presenting an extremely strong ticket in the fall, and offering the people of the United States an avenue to travel towards those goals that Al Gore spoke to Arthur Schlesinger about. It is there, and it is real. It is the appeal of our better natures.

Yesterday, of course, there was a step backwards, and some of the negative potential reared its ugly head. By no coincidence, the discussions on DU reflected the dead end approach of divisive "politics." But it is not just on a political discussion forum that is supposed to allow for progressive and liberal democrats to engage in meaningful discourse. The divisive tactics damage the entire party The longer the democratic party is subjected to the ugliness that some of the Clinton campaign advisors have identified as "the way to win," the more we stand to lose.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 09:35 AM
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1. Bravo. Well Done [nt]
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 10:33 AM
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2. Thank you.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 12:05 PM
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3. Nader
There are few better measures of the potential for stupidity among progressives and liberals than the numerous discussions involving Nader and other possible 3rd party candidates. Nader can only marginalize the issues that should be important to democrats. It would be nice to be able to say that the semi-pro-Nader voices on DU were infiltrators and "freepers." Hopefully, Nader will only be discussed in the context of an abscess on the 2008 issues.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:13 PM
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12. Nader Has Become A Stalking Horse
To me he has lost any semblance of credibility the second he accepted a dime of Con money, which it seems he is perfectly prepared to do again. Further I find his actions often belie his words. The fact that he would get in a race he has no chance of winning, while he may be responsible for aiding and abetting another Con to get in office, closes the chapter on him for me.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:16 PM
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14. He is a horse's ass.
It is sad to see a person who was once among the most honorable citizen advocates in this country, reduced to doing what he is for :15 minutes of attention.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:23 PM
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15. This Is Who Nader Will Be Helping
‘but secured his place in his party’s future by delivering his most hate-filled speech when he stepped aside.’

‘Yet this alone did not seem enough to secure the support of all of the party: it took reports of cheating and scandal to really rally the republican troops’

So I will have very little tolerance for the St. Ralph business we've had slung at us before

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:41 PM
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16. I have heard
that Nader met with Obama recently. They agreed on many issues, and disagreed on others. Nader made demands on the issues they did not agree upon. A while later, Ralph saw Obama on TV, and it was clear that Obama was not going to run on the Nader platform. Hence, Nader's decision to enter the race.

If nothing else, this should put to rest the weak claim by some Clinton and McCain supporters that Obama would compromise his values if he meets with "the opposition."
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:10 PM
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21. And Who Is Nader When He's At Home?
By what right does he make such demands?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:14 PM
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23. His behavior
is a good example of the type of self-righteousness that people like Gore and Schlesinger have warned about for many years.
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 12:59 PM
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4. K&R - well said. n/t
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 05:38 PM
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24. Thank you n/t
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 01:00 PM
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5. Thrilled to K&R this thoughtful and insightful post !
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 02:35 PM
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10. Thank you.
I am hoping that within the next couple of weeks, people begin to move towards uniting the party.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 01:08 PM
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6. a beautifully worded well considered
observation.

Your caution at the end, is one I believe we all should take personal note of, and responsibility to work against.

Thank you yet again H20Man,

You bring real value to my own personal experience here.

:hi:

peace~
blu
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 02:05 PM
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9. A united democratic party
can take the White House, make large gains in Congress, and win at the state and local level across the country. Certainly, this is an opportunity we cannot afford to lose.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:52 PM
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18. Agreed, the Democratic Party must become united
I was hoping it would happen before March 4 so I would clearly know who to vote for in Ohio primary.

The momentum is clearly for Obama, but the Hillary campaign has called our house 5 times in the last 2 days: 1 live-person, 2 robo calls from the campaign, and 2 robo calls from Hillary herself! And Hillary has been in our area a couple times in the last couple days. Tomorrow, Obama will have a big rally. Each candidate wants to win Ohio, so it is not united yet.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:07 PM
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20. It is likely
that Senator Clinton will win in Ohio. However, unless she wins by large margins in Ohio and Texas, continuing the campaign is not going to win the nomination for her. By prolonging the process, I believe she only causes more damage to the party.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 01:16 PM
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7. The ultimate weakness of violent words -
The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it...

Through violence you may murder the hater, but you do not murder hate. In fact, violence merely increases hate....

Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.

Dr. Martin Luther King


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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 02:36 PM
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11. Very good.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 01:31 PM
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8. K & R
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:15 PM
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13. H2O Man you are always a voice of reason.
So very well said. K&R
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:44 PM
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17. Thank you.
It may take the Texas and Ohio primaries to bring some of the fighting to an end. I do hope that Senator Clinton will do the right thing for the party (and country) before then, but certainly by March 5.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:57 PM
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19. Thoughtful as always.
I'll be glad when the primary is over from my perspective. I'm going to proceed on Gore's perspectives and in the final analysis, vote for Obama as my vote may actually count if this is a protracted contest. I'll try and stay positive here and when I feel I can't be, I'll refrain from GD: P for awhile.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:12 PM
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22. I made my decision
to support Barack Obama after finding out that Senator Ted Kennedy had read information from polls that showed three things: (1) That Senator Clinton's negatives made it unlikely she could win in November if she was the democratic nominee; (2) That the Clinton campaign -- including Mark Penn and Bill Clinton -- were engaging in behaviors that were causing serious divisions in the democratic party; and (3) That Senator Obama provided the best chance for a democratic victory in the presidential race, which would bring about gains in the congress, as well as state and local contests.

Almost everything that I have read on DU:GD-P has reinforced this.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 05:44 PM
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25. K & R
:thumbsup:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 06:09 PM
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26. I appreciate the "K&R"
As the democratic primary comes to an end, it is important that we focus on winning the White House, as well as making gains in congressional, state and local elections. I think that Barack Obama will be able to help democrats across the nation.
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