I stand with Mods and Admins on this issue

[Hutzpa]

anyone that comes to DU and advocate for Nader should either be banned and their post

locked.

This is not an Independent Forum, this Forum is for Democrats......Period!


Take your Nader patronizing post and Threads to his forum and websites.


Now....be gone


:mad: :wtf: :think: :grr: :dem:

[Drum]

1. kick

:kick:

[SoFlaJet]

2. Agreed

and any people who say they won't vote for the dem because THEIR candidate didn't win should also be on alert if THEY threaten to go for Nader-it should NOT be tolerated

[Debi]

12. Put your flame retardant suit on

:hi:

[Name removed]

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[blondeatlast]

4. Start your own site--and you can post in caps all you want, too!

I, too, love freedom of speech.

[Name removed]

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[blondeatlast]

22. Project much? What's hateful about inviting you to exercise your Constitutionally

guaranteed rightto start your own site?

I'm a librarian--DU CANNOT censor by definition. It's a private site and they are free to exercise any controls deemd necessary of content.

[NightWatcher]

8. it's Democratic Underground not democracy underground

play by the rules or go away

[metisnation]

21. Exactly my point

democratic underground is moving away from democracy. Point in case.

[ClassWarrior]

24. So guests in your home are free to scream profanities in your face...

...and the faces of your family?

:shrug:

Freedom of speech, after all...

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

28. Nope, didn't expect an answer.

:eyes:

NGU.

[TommyO]

25. Ralphy isn't a Democrat, take your advocacy for him elsewhere.

[MaineDem]

33. "Point in case"

What does that mean?

[1awake]

16. Your an idiot..

This is a message board, and one that it topic specific. Thats like going going into a movie theater while a movie is playing and getting pissed because they won't let you sing at the top of your lungs. You want to vote for Nader.. fine. But go preach somewhere where it is allowed instead of trying to use him to cause problems.

[Hutzpa]

17. Not in here you're not,

go create your own forum and then you will have DEMOCRACY,

thats what Democracy is about.

[MadBadger]

18. You've been here since 2002, how'd you make it through last election?

[WinkyDink]

23. Naderites hate rules and Democrats equally. Charming.

[Liberal Veteran]

34. Freedom of speech means you can open your own website to support Nadir.

It doesn't mean you get to co-opt DU as your microphone.

[Jawja]

5. Yes.

Is there a limit on how many threads we can put on "ignore?" When I see "Nader" in the subject line, I hit the "ignore" button. I wish I didn't have to do that in GD: PRIMARIES because Nader is not running in the Democratic Primary.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

6. Except For The Brain Dead Nader Loving Trolls, I'd Hope We'd All Agree.

[SoFlaJet]

37. so who will YOU support when Hillary loses?

you know the remote possibilty and all.........

[suston96]

7. Another point: Nader is not in the primaries. This is a forum about "Primaries" isn't it? nt

[democrattotheend]

32. Good point

I guess if Nader gets a challenger for the Green Party nomination they can bring the discussion here.

[Hutzpa]

42. You are so way off,

which part of Democratic Underground you didn't get.....

its like you're lacking something, this Forum is for Democrats,

Not Independents, Republicans or Green Party.

:banghead: :banghead:

[Debi]

9. Agreed

:applause:

[jpak]

10. Big Kick - Fuck Nader and all naderites

:kick:

[Hutzpa]

11. .

[NJmaverick]

13. It's no better than endorsing George Bush or McCain

Coming here endorsing a candidate that is an enemy of Democrats and liberals.

[Leopolds Ghost]

52. To be fair, Nader voters are Independents who are trying to push the Dem candidate to the left

I see no evidence Barack intends to do so, however, since he ran to the right of both Hillary and Kerry in the Texas debate. So Nader's quest to move the debate left, like A. Philip Randolph did in the 40s-60s, is pointless because elected Dems will continue to move rightward in order to embrace fleeing Republicans and independents who are newly "fired up" about our favorite candidate. But that is apparently why Nader was prepared to endorse Edwards but not Obama.

Let's be realistic, this is supposed to be a multiparty democracy. Endorsing Nader is pointless on a Democratic website, but attacking his -- or the Republican's -- right and indeed, civic obligation to run for President (if any American feels so inclined) is wrong, wrong, wrong and inappropriate -- every bit as inappropriate for a Dem as asserting Barack Obama should stay in Iraq, or abandon the campaign finance system, permanently hobbling campaign finance reform in this country (I bet half of the people on the blogs don't even remember the long hard fight for McCain-Feingold).

[Hutzpa]

76. What????

Endorsing Nader, doubt whether anyone was thinking that way, my post is about

starting threads and posts advocating for Nader; like what you're doing right

now. Trying in somewhat way to persuade folks here to think again, lets allow

Nader backers to perpetuate our board, disrupt and divide us while we take our

eyes off the price.

I am not suggesting in any way they can't or he (Nader) cannot run for President,

it is his God given right to do just that.

[NJmaverick]

79. No they are not

They are people trying to push Dems out of office.

[NJmaverick]

80. No they are trying to push Dems out of office

That is what they do. Keep Dems and liberals out of office. That is their ONLY goal

[Hutzpa]

87. Nomad, my reply was to LeopoldGhost

not you.

[Faygo Kid]

14. Totally agree, they can go to their own sites.

They are popping up all over here this morning like flies on sh*t, and it's time to put an end to them.

[Midlodemocrat]

15. Yup.

:thumbsup:

[progressive_realist]

19. Absolutely. n/t

:dem:

[UALRBSofL]

38. Look at Naders platform. He is very progressive

He was the Green Party candidate years ago and then the Green Party was absorbed by the progressives in the Democratic party. I understand the issues of 2000 but I also understand if were going to have 3 candidates in the GE I don't understand why we can't post about them. Granted I'm voting for the democratic nominee because that's the only chance we have to rid the right wing political machine but are we off limits and are we to be censored from posting about Nader or McCain? This is the issues I'm asking about. If the moderators want us not to post anything about Nader or McCain I'll follow the rules.

[Leopolds Ghost]

54. We weren't allowed to post about Gravel without being put on Ignore.

Who said anything about Nader? Why does anyone on DU care
if he is running or not?

Progressives in general are turning into enemies of the Democratic Party
when it is in power.

They support single payer health care, which is the socialistic system
that our candidates are trying to "reform" in Cuba.

They want to remove all troops from Iraq, not just combat troops, which
goes against the stated goals of the liberal foreign policy establishment
to establish permanent bsases "over the horizon" on the borders of Iraq.

They oppose (or at least used to oppose) pollution credits to allow
companies to buy and sell carbon outputs, a la Enron, thereby using
third world pollution to pay for "green jobs" in America while continuing
to lose industry at home. Gore thought up this idea.

[Liberal Dose]

20. Fuck Ralph Fucking Nader and his Fucking inflated ego and fuck his supporters even harder! nt

[nookiemonster]

26. K & R

n/t

[ElsewheresDaughter]

27. but embracing Republicans and their policies is okay here...rethug love fests are the new DU norm

and YES I HATE NADAR TOO

[Liberal Dose]

30. I haven't seen that yet. Can you point out an example? nt

[Umbram]

43. Poor thing, more bitter by the day. (nt)

[RandomKoolzip]

84. Uh...what?

Please link me to any "Rethug love fests" posted on DU. I'd like to see them.

Oh..wait....were you exaggerating just a WEE bit there? Are you trying to conflate support for Obama with "rethug love?"

[robbedvoter]

29. Sure, but keep in mind, he also ran in 2004 - remember that momentuus ran?

Neither do I - so treat accordingly.

[MaineDem]

31. I absolutely agree

And I trust Skinner will do what he has to do.

[Barack_America]

35. Agreed. Nader serves only himself.

Fuck Nader. :patriot:

[mindfulNJ]

36. Absolutely!

nt

[cooolandrew]

39. That sounds pretty extreme the case I made was for democracy not Nader to win....

...If a posters on here have longhistories of being for the Dem party but say they find it only fair Nader rund in a democracy I can't see what they have done wrong. Democracy is one person one vote and choice. Unless I misunderstand it then apologies.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

40. agreed. strongly agreed. nt

[Iktomiwicasa]

41. Fuck Nader

[formernaderite]

44. opinons and advocating are two different things

are you specifically targeting Nader? Or all third parties and their candidates? Because many parties have salient issues that should be discussed.

[DrDan]

45. well I take minor issue with what you say . . .

"This is not an Independent Forum, this Forum is for Democrats......Period!"

Actually, the "what we are about" site says

"We welcome Democrats of all stripes, along with other progressives who will work with us to achieve our shared goals. While the vast majority of our visitors are Democrats, this web site is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, nor do we claim to speak for the party as a whole."

I am not a Democrat. I gave up the party after the spineless IWR resolution of 2002. I quit the party within an hour of that vote. But . . . I am a liberal/progressive and support the DU goals. So, while I understand and support what you are saying with regard to Nader-supporters, I think you should temper your statements with regard to who this forum "is for".

[Hutzpa]

47. Very clever.....very clever

this is whats wrong with this country today, whereas people like yourself

co-mingling just for comfort or trends, back then, during the 70s, there used

to be a name reserved for them....'dirty $%#^&&*$@ H' you get the picture.

Folks like yourself are undermines, sabotages, your job is to mix and dice

bring out confidence where you are and then systematically change folks opinion.

Well I'm here to say sorry, you're busted.

I am not a Democrat. I gave up the party after the spineless IWR resolution of 2002. I quit the party within an hour of that vote. But . . . I am a liberal/progressive and support the DU goals. So, while I understand and support what you are saying with regard to Nader-supporters, I think you should temper your statements with regard to who this forum "is for".

You get my point.....I'm sure you do.



:banghead:

[DrDan]

67. I have no idea what you are blathering-on about . . .

I am not here to change anyone's mind . . . I have absolutely no intention of voting for Nader or an R. I have no intention of supporting any of their claims. I have no intention of supporting their views.

If you participate on this forum, then you should understand what it is all about. That is what I posted. I think you are a tad misguided. It is not about the party - it is about progressive ideals - something you seem to lack.

I have been a poster here since 2001. That's quite a while imho. Find one post in the past 7 years where I supported Nader or an R.

[Hutzpa]

73. You know......I can't stand

people who jump ship because it looks rosier on the other side, I tend to view then as

traitors, I always treat them with caution, all the same welcome back.

We can agree to disagree on this issue because I'm not a journalist to explain it '

to you in an eloquent manner. I've tried it the common way which is to make

sure you get the message, on a message board thats what it about.....getting

the message, so if you're looking for anything further than what my OP is referring

to, you're mistaken me for an idiot.

[DrDan]

86. so I do not condone the war . . . and did not do so in 2002 . . .

and the party of which I was a member decided that war with Iraq would be ok . . . and should be supported.

So I decided to leave that party - following my principles.

And you call me a traitor.

Look my friend - I suggest to you that personal principles are more important than membership in a political organization. I guess this is where we have a major disagreement.

And yes, I remain with DU. Not because of the Democratic Party - but in spite of it. I support the key progressive principles instead.

[polichick]

46. Since democracy as we've known it ensures freedom of speech...

I'm for being able to talk about Nader, and lots of other controversial issues ~ I rarely even see a thread that I think should be locked. Posters can easily bypass threads that offend them.

[Hutzpa]

50. You must not have been on

DU long then, I'm sure you understand my post, but just being ignorant at this

point, what part of Democratic Underground are you lacking? Its progressive and

Liberal, where does it made mention of Independents....please advise.

[polichick]

51. What part of the word "democratic" don't you understand??

I don't share the fears that make posters want to close down discussions.

[Hutzpa]

57. The point is, this is not

a forum for Nader posters and threads, now whether you agree or not

its your opinion and certainly entitle to it.

Nader supporters can create their won Forum, websites etc, that IS

Democratic, coming in to DU and imposing your ideas and agendas is

NOT Democratic.

Now....what say ye..eh!

[polichick]

61. What do I say??

I ask what you're so afraid of??

You can't talk about Nader without talking about Democrats ~ it's absurd to think such a discussion has no place here.

[Hutzpa]

66. Whether its absurd or not,

it is Democratic to have your own website and discuss whatever you deemed applicable,

it is my right as a member of a discussion board to point out what I think is not the

boards policies and rules.

As you can see majority members on this board agrees. Posting threads advocating for

Nader is not required here and by the way:- I AM FAR FROM BEING AFRAID OF NADER, thats not

whats this is about, so good try.

[polichick]

69. Censorship is always about fear. nt

[Laura PourMeADrink]

48. I don't believe in censorship. Period. Too much of it here on DU, IMHO.

[Hutzpa]

49. Are you suggesting Nader threads and posts

benefits us on DU? or Do you agree for posters to advocate on his behalf?

:shrug: Whats your point?

[Leopolds Ghost]

56. The more candidates we have to run against, the merrier.

I agree with George Washington... the notion that our system was set up to encourage only two people from two parties to run is ridiculous. The whole notion of established unchanging two parties runs against the stated intent of the Founders. I don't really care about Nader, he has become a vanity candidate. But the principle remains.

[Hutzpa]

58. Who is stopping Nader

from running as President, sure he has all the right credentials and money,

but not here on DU, don't advocate for on this forum, you can do that somewhere

else....on his website and forums, its your right to do just that, but don't

trespass and then shout freedom of speech, because you will have none.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

91. I don't think that adding ideas to the universe of discussion diminishes

anything. I think the worse thing is to immediately diss someone just because they have different ideas. Case in point, there are republican analysts who are very savy. I think it is quite interesting to read and discuss the ideas set forth. Instead, always here, when you post something - you immediately get 25 replies -- not intellegently discussing the idea but dissing the person who wrote it. Very narrow, IMHO, intellectually.

[WinkyDink]

70. You need not stay.

[stevenleser]

53. Yes, I just put someone on ignore for advocating Nader if their choice doesnt win Dem nomination

I hope the mods/admins tombstone anyone doing this

[NoPasaran]

55. Amen!

To hell with that human garbage!

:dem:

[OzarkDem]

59. Yep

Send them to the Green Party Underground.

[Yossariant]

60. Maybe you should actually READ the terms of service here.

Democratic Underground (DU) was founded on Inauguration Day, January 20, 2001, to protest the illegitimate presidency of George W. Bush and to provide a resource for the exchange and dissemination of liberal and progressive ideas. Since then, DU has become one of the premier left-wing websites on the Internet, publishing original content six days a week, and hosting one of the Web's most active left-wing discussion boards.

We welcome Democrats of all stripes, ALONG WITH OTHER PROGRESSIVES WHO WILL WORK WITH US TO ACHIEVE OUR SHARED GOALS. While the vast majority of our visitors are Democrats, this web site is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, nor do we claim to speak for the party as a whole.

[Hutzpa]

64. Who said anything about speaking

for the party?

My thread is about posters advocating for Nader, POSTERS ADVOCATING for Nader....

get it, if you, as in YOU, wants to post patronizing threads and posts about Nader

take it to a website and forum for Nader. You have the right, and it IS your right

to support whom ever you think is a viable candidate, but bringing your ideas and

theories on how Nader is blah blah....is not the place for that.

Hope this helps.

[Yossariant]

72. You are wrong. Posters are free to advocate for Nader here. If you don't like it,

you are free to leave.

Hope that clears it up for you.

[MaineDem]

75. No, I'm afraid you're wrong

From the DU Rules:
You are not permitted to use this message board to work for the defeat of the Democratic Party nominee for any political office. If you wish to work for the defeat of any Democratic candidate in any General Election, then you are welcome to use someone else's bandwidth on some other website.

[Hutzpa]

77. Need I say more,

a Bot calling me out lol!

Lets see how long you're able to stay

under the radar. :evilgrin:

[stevenleser]

74. Just put them all on Ignore. That is what I suggest n/t

[monmouth]

62. Good gawd, I would think all members would be on the same page on this.

Nader is not a Democrat, he is a usurper, egomaniacal with a "look at me" bent. His supporters should get bent.

[Hutzpa]

78. You will be surprise,

not in a million years I would have thought we have so-called Dems

sabotaging us.....well, with the exception of LIEberman.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

63. Naderites (and Paulists too), fuck off and die

[Name removed]

65. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[VolcanoJen]

68. 100% Agreed.

K&R!

:dem:

[grantcart]

71. sooner the better

[ScreamingMeemie]

81. What is really sad is the complete and utter lack of moderation

on the "kool aid" signature lines, crazy names for the supporters of one or the other of them etc. It wasn't tolerated in '04. What a shame. The lack of administration here shows more and more each day.

[terrya]

82. Completely agree

[ncteechur]

83. Damn Skippy!!! eom

[NastyRiffraff]

85. I remember the 2000 election cycle here on DU

Believe me, with all the Greens posting on behalf of Nader, it made the Clinton-Obama wars look like a lovefest.

If I'm not mistaken (and Skinner can and should correct me if I'm wrong), that was why the rule against advocating for a non-Democrat was instituted. These boards are for Democrats with a capital D. If you don't like that, there are plenty of other places to go to support your candidate.

[MagickMuffin]

90. Democratic Underground (DU) was founded on Inauguration Day, January 20, 2001

Democratic Underground (DU) was founded on Inauguration Day, January 20, 2001, to protest the illegitimate presidency of George W. Bush and to provide a resource for the exchange and dissemination of liberal and progressive ideas. Since then, DU has become one of the premier left-wing websites on the Internet, publishing original content six days a week, and hosting one of the Web's most active left-wing discussion boards.

We welcome Democrats of all stripes, ALONG WITH OTHER PROGRESSIVES WHO WILL WORK WITH US TO ACHIEVE OUR SHARED GOALS. While the vast majority of our visitors are Democrats, this web site is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, nor do we claim to speak for the party as a whole.


What are you talking about?

How could that be if DU wasn't founded until January 20, 2001???

:shrug:

[TexasObserver]

88. Except for comments by Hillary or Obama about him, Nader posts don't belong in the Primary Forum.

IMHO.

GDP was dedicated for the primaries, and it's full with Hillary and Obama threads. We need Nader threads like we need Ron Paul threads. Delete them or send them to GD, would be my request.

[TheWraith]

89. Hell yeah.

There are plenty of places where the suicide greens can get together. This isn't one of them.