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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:17 AM
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Rick Casey, from The Houston Chronicle calls the primary for Obama... already...
Call me a fool, but I'm not waiting until a week from Tuesday.

I'm calling the Texas Democratic primary today.

It's Barack Obama.

My projection is based on the numbers.

"But the polls have been notoriously off base," said a colleague.

That's why I'm not relying on the polls, although they are showing Obama pulling even.

I'm basing my prediction on early voting patterns.

The Texas Secretary of State's Office has posted the totals for the first three days of early voting in the state's 15 largest counties.

Turnout is up dramatically across the state compared to the first three days of 2004, especially for Democrats.

But what tells the story is where it is up most dramatically.


Not a bad jump, but . . .
Among the top 15 counties, the ones where Sen. Hillary Clinton is expected to fare the best with the help of older Hispanic voters are:

•El Paso, where the percentage of registered voters voting in the Democratic Party in the first three days was 2.7 times what it was in 2004.
•Hidalgo, the border county where McAllen is the largest city, where the Democratic turnout was 1.6 times that of 2004.
•Nueces County, which includes Corpus Christi, where the turnout was 2.5 times that of 2004.
•Cameron County, including the border city of Brownsville, where for the first two days (I was unable to get the third), the turnout was 3.1 times that of 2004.
So in Clinton country turnout is up 50 percent to 200 percent. Not bad.


Big cities and suburbs
But in the counties that are seen as Obama country the increases ranged from 400 percent all the way up to 870 percent:

•Harris County saw 8.3 times as many people vote in the Democratic primary as in the first three days of 2004.
•Dallas County went up a stunning 9.7 times.
•Tarrant County, including Fort Worth, voted at 7.6 times the 2004 rate.
•And Travis County, home of the People's Republic of Austin, turned out at 5 times the 2004 rate, which was already one of the highest in the state.
These numbers are particularly striking in light of the assertion by Clinton officials that they are concentrating their efforts on the early vote. It appears they need to concentrate harder.

I ran these numbers by Royal Masset, Austin-based Republican strategist and former political director of the state party, and SMU political scientist Cal Jillson, who is knowledgeable about state and Metroplex politics.

They both agreed that the turnout differential described above boded well for Obama. But both were equally impressed by what is happening in traditionally Republican suburban counties.

In Collin County, which includes the upscale Dallas suburb of Plano, the Democratic turnout was nearly 12 times as much this year as four years ago. In Williamson County, just north of Austin, the turnout was seven times as much.

And in Tom DeLay's Fort Bend County, the turnout in the Democratic primary was 15 times what it was four years ago.

In all three suburban counties, significantly more Democrats have already voted this year than Republicans — a striking shift from four years ago.


Something new going on
In 2004, 4 times as many Republicans voted in Fort Bend's first three days as Democrats. This year the Democrats pulled in 5,259 voters to the Republicans' 4,103.

"That has to be Obama," said Masset. "Hillary would attract the normal Democratic people. Clearly there is something new going on in these counties."

One of the things going on is a shift among independents. As exit polls have shown in other parts of the country, Obama does well among independents. And some independents may be going where the action is in the primary but haven't yet committed for November.

And some Republicans are voting in the Democratic primary.

Houston Republican campaign consultant Mary Jane Smith says a number of her Republican friends tell her they are voting for Obama in the Democratic primary.

"They'll come home in the fall," she said.

Smith said she would prefer they vote for Clinton, because Hillary would help some of her clients by turning out more otherwise dispirited Republican voters in the fall.

But her friends are afraid a Democrat might win the White House, and they want to make sure it isn't Clinton.

But Republican interlopers are likely a small part of these numbers.

One part of the dynamic is a dirty little secret that I'd ask you to keep to yourselves.

Texans have done an excellent job of perpetrating the myth that we are different than the rest of the nation.

We are. But not nearly as much as we'd like to think, or we'd like the rest of the nation to think.

The same factors that carried the last 10 states for Obama will carry Texas.


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/casey/5563835.html

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:27 AM
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1. We'll take it! I wish it was this Tuesday, but another week won't
hurt Obama at all.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:29 AM
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2. Takes A Lot Of Balls To Stand Up And Choose A Side Of A 50/50 Prediction.
:rofl:
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:31 AM
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3. Many of the voters who Clinton appeals to are much more likely
to go out and vote on election day the way voting has traditionally been done by most for decades. There is a selective bias involved in those who opt for early voting. They are more likely the type of voters who turn out to Obama rallies, and there they get handed all the insructions and tools they need to do early voting. It skews the sample.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:43 AM
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8. This is shaping up just like California.
Clinton will be unable to overcome Obama's devastating lead in early voting.

Dallas and Tarrant Co. will deliver the state to Obama.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:52 AM
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10. I don't think the comparison holds
Edited on Sun Feb-24-08 11:53 AM by Tom Rinaldo
Early voting began in California began really early. And early voting wasn't being orchestrated at huge pep rallies. Early voters in California more more of a random cross section of voters because there were numerous Democratic candidates trying to drum up early voters in more conventional fashion. Early voting in California took place at a point in time when Clinton was massively ahead in the polls there - so it is no surprise that early voters favored her with their early votes.

Now in Texas the support is closely divided, and the hour is late. The early voting is mobilizing people in those counties who would have virtually been as likely to vote for Obama on election day if they didn't early vote now. It will subtract from his primary day support level. Clintons support will do what most voters always do, go to the polling station and vote - they can't be herded as easily in advance to mass rallies in urban centers to be handed their early voting instructions.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 12:58 PM
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18. 17 days is a long time. But I will bookmark this.
You could argue that there are people who have gotten caught up in "Obamania" and would later (if David Brooks is to be believed) "come down." I don't necessarily think that the early voting is subtracting from Obama's election day level of support. Austin, Houston/Galveston Co. will come out strong for Obama on primary day.

I just don't see the votes being there for Hillary. Maybe if the early voting numbers weren't the way they are in Dallas and Tarrant Co.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:34 PM
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27. It's 9 days away, isn't it? March 4th?
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:25 PM
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33. Early voting started 17 from election day in TX.
You're right, only 9 more till election day (or 5 more of EV).
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moc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 02:43 PM
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24. Speaking as a Texas Dem, I think you're missing the point (m)
All of those Dems who are voting early can't be "subtracted" from those who vote on March 4th. They're not being "mobilized to vote early", as you say, they're being mobilized to vote at all. Focus on the % increase compared to 2004. These are folks who NEVER voted in a primary before. This is true for me. I've voted Dem my entire life (first vote in 1980), and I've NEVER voted in a primary.

In my county (Collin, very conservative county NE of Dallas), the % increase in Dem early voting exceeds 1000% compared to 2004. These are NEW voters, not just early voters.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:24 PM
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25. Keep tellin' yourself that n/t
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 12:02 PM
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14. Didn't Clinton win California? n/t
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 01:02 PM
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19. Exactly. Early voting favored her in Calf. Early voting is now favoring
Obama in TX.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 01:36 PM
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21. you fail to understand that Obama's campaign is actually ORGANIZING people. There is follow up-
and people are getting involved on the grassroots level.

This isn't about some idealistic youngsters going to an Obama rally and then voting on a whim.
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texas_indy Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:34 AM
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4. Thats what some of us down here have been tellin' you all for sometime now!
Edited on Sun Feb-24-08 11:45 AM by texas_indy
Texas is Obama country! He is making major inroads into the Latino vote!

Texas is coming home to OBAMA! YEEEEEEE-HAAAAAAAAA!!!!

HOOK-EM-HORNS!!!!!!!!

----------------------

wanted to add:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4738620

Post 17 links to a fantastic Tejano music vid for Obama, http://youtube.com/watch?v=0fd-MVU4vtU

Musics makes ya want to start dancing right away!!


Texas is Obama country!! VIVA OBAMA!!!!
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Madam Mossfern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:47 AM
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9. I support Obama, but
I wouldn't be whooping it up quite yet. There is still an eternity until the official nominee is named and anything can happen. There is still a lot of work to be done.
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texas_indy Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:57 AM
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11. I can't help it. I've been for Obama since last fall and its been such an uphill battle since then
for him to get his message out.

And now Texas can actually a major role in helping us to select a fantastic Presidental nominee.

This is a 1st for Texas. like a lot other states, we don't have impact on primaries. We've been the big brother no listens too.

But now, we get a chance to not only help select a remarkable person for presidential nominee.

And maybe, just maybe, this will help redeem us for bringing * onto the national stage 7 tragic years ago.



Texas is Obama country. VIVA OBAMA!!

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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 12:08 PM
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16. Yeah we do need redemption, don't we.
let's do some good!
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 01:21 PM
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20. I agree. I'm more of a cautious person.




Peace:thumbsup:
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:41 PM
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29. Yep - let's not count our chickens until the eggs have hatched.
This is certainly encouraging, but I still respect Hillary's campaigning skills (if not those of her team).
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:38 PM
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28. I don't why the link isn't
working for the Texas Obama Boogie but I couldn't get mine to work this morning and now I see your's isn't working, either.

I saw it last night and it was Precious! Obamanos a Tejas!!
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texas_indy Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:07 PM
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31. Try again later, I've been having bad connections to youtube all day. GOBAMA!! (nt)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:24 PM
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32. Shall..thank
you! And yes, GObamanos a Tejas!
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:36 AM
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5. I'll wait until the voters decide...
but it sure would be nice. :woohoo:
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:38 AM
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6. that really undermines the democratic process and is irresponsible of any newspaper or so called
journalist.

that is meant to suppress votes..what a shit head that so called reporter is.

fly
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:43 AM
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7. The media's been gaming
our primaries from the start. They do it all the time, but this year there was more blatant bias than I've ever seen in my life.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:27 PM
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26. Yeah, like all the press a few months ago
that proclaimed Clinton the Democratic nominee, so why should we bother with primaries & caucuses? Were you crabbing about "media bias" then?

Pot, meet kettle.



dg
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:59 AM
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12. ahahah the rethgulican gold standard of papers in TX endorse Obama...that's rich
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 12:01 PM
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13. If Rick Casey, from The Houston Chronicle, has
declared Obama is the winner then Texans can save the expense of holding an election. Maybe the democratic party should let Rick allocate the delegates as well. Pundits are always right aren't they?
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 12:03 PM
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15. The GOP fix is in. Woohoo!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 12:35 PM
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17. Ha! Too bad reality hasn't affected you yet; he's just more popular.
Hard to fathom, I know, but that's the way it is. Pls. prove otherwise with your silly assertion.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 01:38 PM
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22. That's insulting
Edited on Sun Feb-24-08 01:39 PM by high density
Obama didn't win the last 11 straight contests without the widespread support of Democrats.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 02:00 PM
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23. Yep, when the chips are down and the issues don't favor your candidate insult every one else
The twist is after the fish wrap is done trying to trash the Dem's in the primaries they will be attempting to do it in the general election. My local has it that the democratic party is fiscally irresponsible with expenditures and budgets. Guess thats why they also try to conveniently forget about the invasion / occupation in Iraq that they supported, that never worked, that is now projected to cost over a trillion dollars. Newspapers suck more everyday so i sure hope we can figure out things to replace them with :shrug:
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:42 PM
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30. We now return you to your scheduled conspiracy theory. nt
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