ANYBODY Here On DU, That Would Make An Opposition Vote

[SoFlaJet]

be they Clinton OR Obama supporters, because their candidate doesn't win has no understanding of what happened to this party and this country in 2000. If YOUR man or woman isn't the democratic nominee and you are considering either voting for Nader or writing in the loser is a fucking IDIOT and have no business being here. From what I've seen there are people on both sides-Clinton AND Obama that are making that threat.

[ScreamingMeemie]

1. And then there are those of us who see both of them as more of the same

not really representing our ideals at all. I understand completely what happened to this country, and it was long before 2000. And none of these candidates represents anything more than what is happening now. Sorry. It's not a threat. It's reality. There is no Dem candidate this year for me.

[SoFlaJet]

2. so what do you plan on doing...

not voting? Nader? McCain? Write in?

[ScreamingMeemie]

3. Not wasting my time, or the gas.

No worries, my daughter is 18 and will be voting for the first time this year. I'm through with voting for non Dems. Of course that is my opinion, and you are welcome to yours. As long as you don't tell me what I "have to" do. My son needs me more than they do.

[Orangepeel]

9. and you are just as correct as Nader was about bush and Gore in 2000

which is to say, not at all.

[ScreamingMeemie]

12. ...and the best part of it all is...

you're incorrect as well Listen close. Party lines=big joke these days. More of the same. You're better off working for change at local levels since we fucked up nationally again.

[Dhalgren]

33. I'm with you MrsGrumpy. They can't keep playing us for chumps

and expect us to keep asking for more. Work local, screw the national - there are no winners...

[SoFlaJet]

14. yea well

I lived through it down here in Florida-did you? Were YOU on the ground down here? Did you lose YOUR right to vote by RW operatives? Do YOU know anybody who was taken off the rolls? Oh no you were probably another one of those people who laughed about how stupid all Floridians are

[Orangepeel]

24. Actually, yes, I was.

I moved from Florida fairly recently.

But I don't understand your point anyway. Why are you angry with me?

[SoFlaJet]

25. yea sorry

I think I realized I was responding to a person above you there

[Orangepeel]

29. oh, okay. No problem.

:hi:

[Debi]

21. Are you going to vote down-ticket?

To keep Democrats in office in the Congress and in your State Legislature? Please.

[AndyTiedye]

36. You Think Bush and Gore Were the Same!?!???

and you seem to think that Hillary and Obama and McCain are all the same!?

I guess if more wars don't matter
and Roe v. Wade being overturned doesn't matter
and you're OK with Huckster setting up a theocracy after old man McCain kicks the bucket…

[Debi]

4. I'll be voting for the Democrat in November

No nose-holding necessary.

[SoFlaJet]

6. Obama supporter here

but would gladly support her if I had to-I will not vote against my own, and my family's better interests

[cd3dem]

5. my vote is my honor... it isn't about who wins the nomination it is about fairness

Obama is a lier and arrogant!


“I really tried to never do anything I don't believe in, so I don't want to change it now. I really don't”
---Paul Wellstone

[SoFlaJet]

7. lier?

what's a lier?

[bunkerbuster1]

20. I hear it's a term used by moles from See-You...

but that's just a rumor.

[nancyr]

8. Those people need help.

Any Democrat who would knowlingly actually vote for either McCain or Nader needs psychiatric help. Considering the consequences of the possibility of four more years of "more of the same", how can anyone seriously even consider it? I'm convinced that the future of the country depends on our getting those right-wing traitors out of Washington....I will vote for whoever wins the nomination. Even if I might prefer one over the other, I would still vote for the ultimate victor, Obama or Clinton. Please, use your heads. Consider the consequences of acting like babies.

[SoFlaJet]

13. I can see what's going on here

with some of these bitter Clinton supporters-sometimes avatar pictures tell a long story with one simple little picture or symbol. The Obama people who are saying these things I think are reactions to things being said about them over these last few months-I know for me Nancy-I was turned off to them and they were a part of my changing my stance from Edwards to Obama

[liberalnurse]

10. I'm voting for Hillary Clinton

and I know she will win the Democratic Nomination. No need to go anywhere into the ozone folks. Stick with the ride we are already rolling with I say!

[SoFlaJet]

16. So you'll write her in then

since you wouldn't answer me in another thread-all you keep saying is how she's going to win-she isn't going to win-the only thing you will be able to do is hurt the democratic agenda with your own

[liberalnurse]

23. For Chrissake, quit looking for a fight.

I said she will win the Democratic Nomination, so I will have no need to write in anything.

This is my answer. Got it?

[SoFlaJet]

31. I'm not looking for a fight just an honest answer

which you have avoided everytime I've asked you-Hilary will NOT be the democratic nominee-it's mathematically almost impossible at this point-she will NOT be on your ballot in November-embrace it, accept it-it ain't happening.

[Bluebear]

11. People actually donate here so they can express their opinions.

[mmonk]

15. It's my observation that alot of people blow smoke

in a heated campaign and are just speaking out of frustration.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

22. *

:think:

[OnionPatch]

17. Not a chance in hell.

I'd as soon offer my soul to Satan as vote for a Republican. I definitely have a favorite, but I will be voting for a Democrat this November either way. There really is no other choice.

[Guava Jelly]

18. Even if someone votes how you don't like them to vote. It is their vote!

Many have fought and died for that right.
I myself will pull the lever for the nominee but I think the whole
'You are either with us or you are against us'
sounds a little to much like the other side...

[bunkerbuster1]

19. K&R'd.

I have no use for anyone who'll withhold support for the Democratic nominee; my default position is that the poster is a liar and a troll until I'm convinced otherwise.

[LaurenG]

26. Well, I am too wise : ) to vote for Nader. I watched that play out in 2000

it was sickening.


For some reason drama is a proclivity here. I don't need the Nader drama, so I'm ignoring most of it.

[THUNDER HANDS]

27. If Hillary was the nominee, Nader would be a legit threat

But Obama is going to win in such an overwhelming landslide it won't matter if there's 5 Ralph Nader's running.

[LWolf]

28. And then there are those of us

who won't vote for either, and who've been saying so since the primary season kicked off. You'd think that when voters choose to nominate a centrist candidate that they know will lose many votes on the left, they'd just be honest and upfront about it, and acknowledge their preference for centrist and rw dem, and moderate republican votes.

Instead, they want to play the violated victim as if they actually have the right to dictate the votes of others. :shrug:

For my part, it's not a threat. It's a promise, and one I made the day the primary season kicked off.

It's ok with me, if a bit disappointing, that my vote isn't valued as much as a centrist's vote, but I'll be damned if I'll play the villain in your blame game.

[SoFlaJet]

32. then you're not a true democrat

if you don't support the democratic nominee-you are the same as the fools who were duped into voting for Nader in 2000 and 2004 as some kind of conscientious objector

[Dhalgren]

34. I agree with LWolf. If the Democratic Party wants my vote then they need to nominate someone

whom I can support. If the Party doesn't do that, then the Party doesn't want my vote. It is really simple. I don't understand what the point of all this is, but surely you would not vote for someone you could not support just because he/she were a Democrat?

[SoFlaJet]

37. After all the damage Bush has done

to the country and the constitution and the war-man if these aren't good enough reasons then I give up-you are a hopeless case and we don't need your vote-let me guess Kucinich supporter right?

[Dhalgren]

40. Do you agree with Obama that we all should work together, with

Independents, Republicans, Greens and everyone? Isn't he advocating that we should all join together regardless of how we vote in order to turn the country around? You disagree with him on this?

And yes, I was a Kucinich supporter, but please don't put me down and tell me how stupid I am - I have had those lectures here already. You just go ahead and be the brilliant political operative, who knows everything and can see all.
I'll just be stupid and uphold my personal integrity, after all, it isn't your fault if I am stupid...

[SoFlaJet]

41. I'm not going to try and change your mind

unlike half the people here I don't THINK I'm that smart-I'm just some dumb guy-you're gonna do what you're gonna do Dhal

[LWolf]

46. There are plenty of opinions about

what constitutes a "true democrat," and no consensus.

I would suggest that a true partisan would be trying to bring the left wing of the party, and the left-leaning 3rd parties and independents, into the party, rather than trying to demonize them and drive them away.

When the golden boy of the moment cares more about republican support than doing just that, I see it as a betrayal of the party, myself.

When voters continually vote against the best interest of the party by voting in people who won't oppose the opposition, I see it as a betrayal, as well.

I believe it is the job of voters to hold the party accountable, and voters who won't do that ARE the problem. In my opinion, of course.

A "true democrat," from my perspective, is a voter who WILL hold the party accountable.

Thankfully, you don't get to decide my status as a democrat.

[Fire Walk With Me]

30. Vote tampering and an end-run through the unrepentant Supreme Court got Bush in office

not Nader.

I had a Democratic candidate who supported the real issues currently facing us. Nader is running because no Democratic candidate will address those issues.

[NastyRiffraff]

39. It wasn't an either-or that got Bush into office (illigitimately)

It was a combination of factors, including the SCOTUS decision, vote tampering and other Republican dirty tricks, and yes, Nader.

Nader had promised not to campaign in swing states, including Florida, and he did. Yes,he was a factor. Gore would have won Florida handily if not for Nader (he very likely won it anyway) and we'd be in a very different place today.

[Fire Walk With Me]

45. I just don't think that votes mattered at all in 2000.

I believe that it could have turned out any number of ways, and their plan was already in place, and even with a Democratic landslide, they would have gotten in.

[BeatleBoot]

35. Tell Us How You REALLY Feel - Don't Hold Back This Time....

[hiaasenrocks]

38. LOL

[cooolandrew]

42. I wouldn't support Nader to win but respect his democratic right to run.

[BlackVelvet04]

43. Nice try at bullying. n/t

[TexasObserver]

44. The coming appointments to the Supreme Court is reason standing alone to vote the ticket.

Senate Dems, same reason, so we get a bulletproof majority.