"Your Flag Pin Was Made In China"

[NorthernSpy]

Wouldn't it would rock if Obama could put THAT on his lapel? Just a nice little cup o' STFU for the "patriotism" concern trolls in the media.


We all know that the right will to try to play the flag card against Obama, and we all know that the media are going to help them. In fact, they've both already started. It's how they operate.


I think for this election, we should finally drop all the high-minded civics-class -sounding lines about what patriotism "really is". That stuff never works as a response, and it just sounds defensive and wordy.

We should instead just concentrate on sucker-punching the right in very simple, blunt terms -- using globalism and our indebtedness (that is, invoking the literal loss to foreigners of control over our destiny) as the "patriotic" right's Achilles heel.


Me, I think it's never too soon to start putting this out there.

[TAWS]

1. Pretty sure almost all flags/pins are made in US n/t

[Redstone]

5. You are, are you? What a fucking stupid assertion, without any research to back it up.

Redstone

[no_hypocrisy]

20. Annin & Company in Roseland, New Jersey

http://www.annin.com/

"Is your flag made in the US?"
http://www.fmaa-usa.com/

[Redstone]

24. That doesn't equal "amost all" being made here, does it?

Redstone

[DJ13]

7. Pretty sure almost all flags/pins are made in US

Product Name: Flag Pins
Model No.:CTO2934
U.Price: Negotiable
Price Terms: FOB
Payment Terms:T/T
Delivery Lead Time: 10 days
Product Origin: China




http://www.chinatraderonline.com/Badge/flashing-badge/Flag-Pins-215337143.htm

[Redstone]

12. Pretty sure that poster lives under a bridge. (Like the other trolls do).

Redstone

[MidwestTransplant]

17. Yup

[TheCowsCameHome]

9. I went to a major party-goods store last 4th of July

and every damn 4th of July related item was made in China. Everything - bunting, flags, pins, crepe paper rolls, pinwheels, red-white-blue decorations, you name it, had a made in China (or non-USA) sticker on the package.

I'd go without before I put my money on the counter for that crap.

[Debi]

10. Do a quick search on the internets...

the majority of American Flag Lapel Pins are made in China.

[Redstone]

16. Ah, don't waste your breath. I suspect that TAWS (I think that stands for

"Trolls Are Wimpy Shitheels") won't be back to try to back up his idiotic assertion.

Redstone

[Debi]

23. The mods deserve extra Swedish Fish for their work these last couple of months

[Redstone]

26. Damn, you ARE a DU Veteran, aren't you? I had almost forgotten the Swedish Fish!

Redstone

[Debi]

30. Heh, I was here for the CO_Liberal/Princess meltdown

:hi:

[Redstone]

34. Ah, when the word "fat" became the "F-word du jour," and was NOT to be used. Amazing how those two

vile people managed to get this whole place into their thrall.

Redstone

[yourguide]

2. K&R

[jillan]

3. Haha - ain't that the truth?

Maybe I shouldn't be laughing . . . seems like everything I want to buy is made in China.

[VolcanoJen]

4. Meme O' The Day!!

Love it!!! Heh... putting that one in my back pocket for future use. :-)

[fightthegoodfightnow]

6. I've Got to Remember that One

Thanks!!!!

I know more than a few right wingers I can use that one with.

Well done.

[Obamanaut]

8. I agree with you completely. I don't wear a pin, and I'm retired

military. I also don't do the hand over the heart thing at sporting (or any other)events for the national anthem, but rather stand quietly with hands folded in much the same pose that Mr Obama is using in the email currently circulating.

Ms ret88 got one of those 'send to all you know' emails, and asked if I would compose a response for her. Did, sent it, and got an apology from the relative who sent it to her, who said he'd do a little research before he blindly fwds stuff in the future.

[Recursion]

15. I was taught (in the military) that putting your hand over your heart was incorrect

During the pledge and the anthem, men should remove their hats, and men and women not in uniform should stand respectfully with their arms at their sides. Am I the only one who got that memo?

[Obamanaut]

22. This memo?

http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html

§171. Conduct during playing
During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should render the military salute at the first note of the anthem and retain this position until the last note. When the flag is not displayed, those present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed there.

§172. Pledge of allegiance to the flag; manner of delivery
The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag, 'I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.', should be rendered by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. When not in uniform men should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute.

[Recursion]

31. Weird... I just pulled out my boot-camp "knowledge" book

And it says persons not in uniform should stand at PoA. I guess the flag code is ultimately right, but it seems odd the battalion knowledge would be wrong.

[CTyankee]

25. I thought that active military personnel saluted during the playing of the National Anthem.

Shows you how much I know!

[Obamanaut]

27. They do. See post 22 for flag code. nt

[Obamanaut]

32. There is also a reversed image embroidered flag for wearing

on the right shoulder. With the star field reversed in this manner, the flag always appears to be moving forward rather than retreating. I point out this error on a regular basis to folks like mall security guards, etc., and have sent emails to various television outfits when someone in one of their productions is not wearing the reversed image on the right. It's amazing how many people don't know about this.

[Recursion]

33. That's set by Army uniform standards

I had to look that up once. Fortunately, being in the Marines, I never had to wear the colors reversed.

There is a conceptual precedent for the Army's standards; namely, that the colors should always advance with the canton first.

[Obamanaut]

35. You're correct. I've not been able to find it anywhere except in

Army regs, messages, etc that I found on the internet. The reversed images are available for flight suit and jacket sleeves in the Navy, and there are rules in place for wearing which patch and it's placement. But it's been 20 years since retirement, so some of the brain cells don't fire as quickly as they once upon a time.

Thanks for the input. I enjoyed the back and forth.

[Recursion]

36. No problem, sailor (or sir/ma'am?)

And thanks for giving us a ride whenever we had to go fight somewhere :evilgrin:

[Obamanaut]

39. You're welcome. And thank you for being around to do

the fighting. I fixed jets, mostly on aircraft carriers for a good portion of my 28 years.

Retired master chief.

[Recursion]

40. Oh crap...

There is nothing so much quite like God's wrath on earth as a pissed off Master Chief. Thanks for your service.

My dad fixed jets too, back in the 70's; he pissed somebody off and got stuck in Beaville, TX.

[Redstone]

11. Can we get five or six thousand people to put that on signs to hold up at the next

speech, whether it's Obama's, Clinton's, or McCain's?

THAT would be a sight to see. Great turn of phrase on your part.

Redstone

[flor de jasmim]

13. "Be patriotic - support China" - would that work as a meme?

(I'm nearing 100 messages - do I get a lollipop?)

[TheCowsCameHome]

14. I'd venture a guess those magnetic ribbons and bows aren't native-grown either

You know the ones - "Support the troops", etc.

What a nation of suckers we've become.

[Debi]

19. They are

I even asked the counter clerk about it at the pharmacy (where they were sitting in the $.99 bin). She just shrugged. x(

[Redstone]

21. I'll give anyone a dollar for every one they can find that's made in the USA.

That's a pretty safe offer for me to make, isn't it?

Almost as empty a gesture as putting a Made-in-China "patriotic" ribbon on your car, or wearing a Made-in-China flag pin.

Redstone

[yourguide]

18. I would love to buy

a ton of flag pins with the flag of china on them and send them to all of the rethuglicans pulling this crap reminding them that is exactly what they just supported. LOL.

[Redstone]

28. That's not a bad idea at all. Only problem is that they wouldn't get it.

They tend to be kind of ignorant that way.

Redstone

[yourguide]

29. You're right.

[Peace Patriot]

37. I agree with this OP wholeheartedly! Do NOT accept the terms of this debate

about "patriotism." It might be hard, though, to find out where somebody's flag lapel pin was manufactured. You'd have to be clever. ("Hey, McPain, that's a great pin! Can I try it on?"). And what if the thing isn't labeled? Or what if it's made in sweatshops in Saipan, and given a false "Made in U.S.A." label like Gap was doing (before Global Exchange sued them and stopped that practice)?

But the principle of the OP is right on. Global corporate predator patriotism does not exist. And, in so far as our politicians are in the pocket of global corporate predators, they are traitors to us and to our democracy. Wearing a flag lapel pin is as much of a lie, in that case, as Bushites saying that they torture prisoners to "keep us safe," or they invaded Iraq to stop their "WMD-related program activities" (remember that? Jeez.) Lies, lies and more lies. The true patriots are the ones who challenge these fuckwads, and they don't need no patriotic song to accompany them. They know what patriotism IS.

[Peace Patriot]

38. I agree with this OP wholeheartedly! Do NOT accept the terms of this debate

about "patriotism." It might be hard, though, to find out where somebody's flag lapel pin was manufactured. You'd have to be clever. ("Hey, McPain, that's a great pin! Can I try it on?"). And what if the thing isn't labeled? Or what if it's made in sweatshops in Saipan, and given a false "Made in U.S.A." label like Gap was doing (before Global Exchange sued them and stopped that practice)?

But the principle of the OP is right on. Global corporate predator patriotism does not exist. And, in so far as our politicians are in the pocket of global corporate predators, they are traitors to us and to our democracy. Wearing a flag lapel pin is as much of a lie, in that case, as Bushites saying that they torture prisoners to "keep us safe," or they invaded Iraq to stop their "WMD-related program activities" (remember that? Jeez.) Lies, lies and more lies. The true patriots are the ones who challenge these fuckwads, and they don't need no patriotic song to accompany them. They know what patriotism IS.