Can someone explain why it appears as if the Obama supporters are

[LibraLiz1973]

rude, snide, obnoxious bullies who are being completely ignorant
and are 1,000% devoted to trashing Hillary Clinton and anything she has ever said or done in her life?

I don't have a dog in this fight. Repeat, DO NOT have a candidate.
But I have never seen such out and out hatred on this board directed
at anyone who isn't an Obama supporter.

I've been posting as little as possible of late. It's UGLY here.
I come on to see whats up and am normally so disheartened, I leave.

Dollars to donuts says that this thread will see me attacked by Obamaniacs
who will point the door out to me. Don't bother. I know where it is, and it is
looking more and more like an EMERGENCY exit.

on edit: I would like to go on the record and clarify that I meant SOME of the Obama supporters, not all.
Some of you are lovely.

[BeyondGeography]

1. What's really striking is our ingratitude for all of the bouquets thrown us by the other side

We're baaaaaaaaaaad. Really baaaaaaaaaaad.

[LibraLiz1973]

8. I seriously don't see that here. I see any Hillary supporter being called a shill

and all the Obama supporters piling on in the most hateful and ungracious way possible.

Is Obama going to become the official Dem candidate? Very likely.
So why do his supporters feel the need to be so petty to the supporters of someone
who is going to lose?

[Alexander]

12. Of course you don't see it - your blinders are on.

[emilyg]

39. You are one of the constant offenders.

[LibraLiz1973]

45. that response has me ROFLMFAO

[Alexander]

52. Search my posts. They aren't near the level of filth spewed by hateful Shillbots.

But then, you wouldn't want to do that, would you?

No, because it would destroy your claim and make you look like a whining, lying Shillbot.

:rofl:

[emilyg]

54. You just proved my point.

Enjoy your hate.

[Alexander]

58. You can't find any. And you know it. So you whine. And lie. And create fake outrage.

If you bothered to search my posts, you'd know that I do not apply the term "Shillbot" to any Hillary Clinton supporter.

Of course, you couldn't be bothered. Because doing so would make you look like a whining idiot.

[lumpy]

101. No you just apply it to any and all Clinton supporters.

And of course implying a poster is a whining idiot is not offensive? How immature.

[Alexander]

103. False. Some Hillary supporters aren't as obnoxious as you. And I don't call them Shillbots.

Of course, of you bothered to read anything I've posted, you would know that.

:eyes:

[lumpy]

116. Yaash

and that's the truth

[LibraLiz1973]

55. There it is everyone!! The response that called me a "whining, lying Shillbot"

Is that REALLY the kind of support you think Obama wants?

You can laugh all you want, but I'm laughing harder at you.
It's sad that people with a playground mentality are even allowed to vote.
Did that post make you feel big and powerful??

[Alexander]

59. You're wearing blinders on DU, ignoring hateful anti-Obama posts...

And putting threads criticizing a candidate's record (fair game) into the same category.

Your Edwards avatar and photo fool no one. Your blinders are on tight. And Hillary can do no wrong.

So yes, you are separate from the other Hillary Clinton supporters, in that you willfully ignore the filth spewed about Obama here on a daily basis and claim fake outrage at posts and threads you can't even identify.

That makes you not a Hillary Clinton supporter, but a Shillbot. Enjoy the blinders. Keep hate alive!

[LibraLiz1973]

75. I'm glad that you were able to tell me that my Edwards support fools no one.

My god, your insane. It's horrifying to realize that there are people as judgmental, rude & obnoxious as you
running around America pretending to be Democrats.


Call me a shillbot, say I'm keeping the hate alive... but then look REAL close in your mirror. What you seem so angry at me for is what you don't like in yourself. I was always honest about who and what I supported. I clearly stated that I don't have a dog in this fight. So characterizing me as a Hillary supporter is just another part of your post that is paranoid and juvenile.

Your baseless attacks here show that your problem has nothing to do with your support of Obama- it's your attitude toward other humans in general.

Your responses have only gone to prove my original point: that some Obama supporters are so rabid with hate it is scary.

[Alexander]

110. How do I know you support Edwards? I could pass right by you and we wouldn't know it.

The facts are that you have called Obama just about every nasty, hateful name in the book and simultaneously ignore others who do the same, all so you can be self-righteous and claim fake outrage at the bad, bad Obama supporters who bullied you into liking him.

:eyes:

"My god, your insane."

My God, you not only project and throw out random insults, you also can't spell. Did you get through elementary school yet?

"I was always honest about who and what I supported. I clearly stated that I don't have a dog in this fight."

When post after post of yours seeks to tar Obama with the behavior of some of his supporters, while conveniently ignoring far worse things some Hillary supporters here have said, it's obvious that your Edwards "support" isn't really authentic. Particularly since he said Obama and he are both agents of change and Hillary isn't.

Your responses have only gone to prove my original point: That some Hillary supporters will whine, lie, project, throw tantrums and use any trick in the book to desperately try to peel off Obama support here. Such people deserve the title Shillbot, because they would defend Clinton even if she murdered a child on national TV.

So go away, Shillbot.

[MethuenProgressive]

70. I see "ignored" is polluting this thread,

With an ignore list as small as mine, I can guess which DUbama it is.
LibraLiz1973, hit alert, then just hit ignore.
I hate what the DUbamas have done to DU...

[lumpy]

102. He must be, well, uh......very tiny

to want to be big and powerful.

[mkultra]

74. that kind of personal attack is not needed here

[lumpy]

105. Personal attacks and anti-Hillary filth is about all most

Obamites have to say. Why some of the worst offenders are not tombstoned is a mystery.

[emilyg]

93. I hope you knew I wasn't responding to you.

[Alexander]

50. Sorry the truth hurts so much. I don't claim that Hillary Clinton is a....

crack-dealing, mob-connected, unpatriotic cultist communist, now do I?

I imagine life in Hillaryland must be getting more and more unpleasant.

[jlake]

73. You are just about the most vile one.

[lumpy]

109. Most vile indeed. Nasty little worm I'd say.

ugh

[Alexander]

112. Who do you think you're fooling? We all know you support McCain. So fuck off.

[jlake]

118. ESAD. I support Hillary 100%. She's in it to win it. If Obama does steal the nomination - he does

NOT have my vote. I will write in Hillary or Joe Biden.

[BeyondGeography]

24. Many of her biggest supporters aren't even here any more

they spent much of 2007 posting polls that were supposed to deflate us and snickering at Obama's resume. Whatever.

Point is, there has been plenty of shit flinging from all corners. And I doubt that HRC's supporters would be behaving any better if she had just run off 11 straight wins and was headed for the nomination. In fact, it's my sincere belief they would be much worse.

[LibraLiz1973]

31. I don't know that they would be worse. It's hard to tell. But, they would be bad.

I guess when people feel victorious they also feel like being snarky??

Who knows.

[comradebillyboy]

64. thats right it now officially Obama Underground

and anyone but Obama supporters should be banned.

[ORDem]

82. You're a fence sitter.

Why do you want to be everyone's friend? Don't you have any personal beliefs?

[LostinVA]

99. WTF does that mean?

Why can't the OP not yet know who she wants to support? Nothing wrong with being Undecided.

[SoxFan]

113. Liz, have you met Methuen Progressive?

You might want to take a look at some of his posts before making generalizations.

[Forkboy]

2. Can someone explain to me why many on both sides act like morons?

Seeing as though we're asking questions and all. :)

[havocmom]

20. Yep. I wonder if I am at DU or Romper Room Underground

Boy, am I showing my age, or what?

[Forkboy]

38. Don't feel, I watched it too.

:D

[Seabiscuit]

97. "ROMPER ROOM UNDERGROUND"!!! PRICELESS!!!

:rofl:

[Hutzpa]

40. Thats palgarism,

did you forget to xerox change before postin?


arghhh!!

lol!

[Forkboy]

43. hehe

:spank:

[democrattotheend]

3. I've actually noticed a lot more hateful venom from Clinton supporters

But there are plenty of obnoxious Obama supporters and I have called them out on their behavior.

At age 23, I am probably among the younger posters on this forum, but sometimes it sure doesn't feel like it.

[MethuenProgressive]

71. Welcome to DU. Please believe me when I say you are mistaken.

The hatred of Hillary knows no bounds here.

[Mooney]

4. I've been lurking for a couple of months now

And there appear to be equal numbers of assholes on both sides. There are also equal numbers of fair-minded, civil people on both sides. It's just that the negative stuff always seems to command more attention.

Don't worry about it too much. This too shall pass eventually.

[Lisa0825]

11. Welcome to DU!

And I agree with your assessment!

:hi:

[Mooney]

28. Thank you

I actually used to post here during the 2003-2004 primary season. It was totally crazy then too, and everyone was completely at each others' throats. The way it is now is nothing new.

It will die off eventually. It did then, even after months of everyone swearing that they would never vote for (fill in the blank) if he became the nominee, because (fill in the blank)'s supporters were such classless assholes. Nothing has changed.

[Debi]

23. Welcome to DU Mooney

:hi:

[Mooney]

33. Thank you kindly n/t

[gravity]

5. Because the loudest a most obnoxious ones post the most

The ones who don't have anything mean to say about Hillary keep there mouths shut

[gerrilea]

6. I tried to bring civility back here,

Yesterday, worked for a bit...

All we can do is wonder why so much hate?:scared:

[Cha]

Can you explain to me why as an Edwards'

supporter you can't tell what's really goin' on?

[LibraLiz1973]

15. huh?

[Cha]

29. exactly.. n/t

[LibraLiz1973]

35. Are you going to say anything that would count as an explanation, or just snarky innuendo?

[sandnsea]

7. I see that Edwards avatar

and consequently have to note that half the Edwards people have been the biggest dickheads to Obama that are on the board.

[SayitAintSo]

63. That was helpful...n/t

[JVS]

9. Because Hillary sucks 1,000%!

[Name removed]

46. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Alexander]

10. Can you explain why Shillbots called Obama a crack-dealing terrorist cultist commie?

No, I didn't think you could.

[LibraLiz1973]

17. Can you show me 3 threads where that has actually happened?

Or are you always this rude and petty?

[Alexander]

48. Why, yes I can. Here they are. Will you take back what you said?

Or will you make an even bigger ass out of yourself?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4740360

Here's a thread clearly bigoted against Obama because of his skin color.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4733087

Here's a bullshit thread claiming Obama wasn't raised by a single teenage mom, when he in fact was.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4716483

And here's a thread where many Shillbots claim Obama had gay sex and did cocaine in 1999.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4739930

Finally, here's a Shillbot saying "fuck niceness" and "fuck you" to Obama supporters. What a class act.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4738293

:eyes:

So when will I see your apology?

[LibraLiz1973]

51. That last one was WAY harsh

Maybe you could do a search of the last 2 days and see how many anti Hillary threads there were?

I bet you could fill up an entire post with those. My guess would be about 40+

[Alexander]

57. And the others weren't? Get real.

"Maybe you could do a search of the last 2 days and see how many anti Hillary threads there were?"

There are different degrees of negative threads.

If you criticize a candidate's policies or record, that's fair game.

If you criticize an actual quote from a candidate, that's fair game.

What is not fair game is bigoted threads, or threads making up some bullshit "scandal" out of thin air, or threads criticizing the patriotism of the candidate, or threads painting their supporters with a broad brush.

Search my posts. Go ahead. Put your money where your mouth is.

If you find anything remotely close to the threads I posted, let me know.

But you won't, because I don't engage in or defend those kinds of attacks.

Let me know when you want to apologize.

[LibraLiz1973]

76. Umm, get a clue. Apologize FOR WHAT?

Seriously. Get help. You clearly need it.

You don't engage in those attacks? YOU ARE those attacks.

[Alexander]

114. Pretending Hillary supporters haven't been hateful, for starters.

Also, maybe you'd like to explain what you think of the other four threads I posted, which you conveniently ignored.

"Seriously. Get help. You clearly need it."

Don't worry, the mods will "help" me just fine on March 5th when they tombstone the lot of you. It couldn't come soon enough.

[grantcart]

13. i would be interested in your opinion of the thread below

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4736362

[LibraLiz1973]

47. That's just ugly

[grantcart]

88. thank you and with that thread in one hand

I would like you to direct your attention to this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4749289&mesg_id=4749289

Without being too specific you will be able to note who is giving lectures on practice and preaching.

This is to provide my response to your OP.

I have never seen anything approaching the first thread against Hillary. Sen. Obama is being accused of being apart of criminal conspiracy of murder and drug trafficking - that is what the mob is doing. I could be wrong but I have never seen anything apporach this against Hillary.

From time to time there are threads that go too far attacking Hillary. I always see some Obama supporter jumping to her defence. I sent the offensive post to several prominent Hillary supporters and not one responded to it. As an active Obama supporter I am tired of the constant flow of charachter assasination threads against Senator Obama, with all of the Clinton supporters staying quiet, only to log in the next day and see a couple hundred posts on a thread because someone thinks a word used against Hillary ("unhinged" for example) is sexist and on and on.

I have supported Senator Edwards for 2 years and was active in our local one corp group. During that time I was surprised that within my group of democratic friends I really could not find anyone who responded positively too him. The all loved Elizabeth. My friendship with those supporting Hillary (and they are really Clark supporters hoping he gets into her administration) would say the same vile things about Obama that I find in here. Those friendships, some of them 10 years old have basically ended.. The Obama supporters responded positively to Edwards were cordial friendly and supportive.

It's anecdotal and would not have any impact on who I support for President. I do not wish to influence you at all. I just want to say that my personal experience, which I documented in the two threads for comparison is 100% different from what you experience.

Peace

[yourguide]

14. Both sides have equally been unpleasant.

[THUNDER HANDS]

16. because it's utterly baffling how she gained so much support on this board in five years

five years ago, when the war started, everyone on this board hated her for her war vote. Now that she's running, she's a saint.

It just smells....fishy.

[LibraLiz1973]

22. Seriously- I haven't seen even 10% of the posts that liken her to sainthood like

what Obama gets.

It's crazy.

[THUNDER HANDS]

53. i meant among her supporters

But the point was, people on this board always liked and respected Obama, compared to how they felt about Hillary - until she decided to run.

I noticed the same effect, to a much lesser extent, with Joe Biden.

[LibraLiz1973]

78. Agreed about Biden

That was getting ugly too

[Alexander]

61. Of course. Your blinders are on tight.

I provided you with 5 threads (when you asked for 3) showing the anti-Obama hatred here, and you refused to accept all but one of them.

Keep hate alive!

[LibraLiz1973]

79. Uh. You again. I did not "refuse to accept them". I said the one was way harsh

You would rather I had said nothing?

GET HELP!!! You are extremely angry and very, very bitter.

[Alexander]

115. I posted five threads. You commented on one. How about the other four?

Are they acceptable to you, or not?

I think I already know the answer. But go ahead and prove me wrong.

[Debi]

18. I think there are many posting here

That are not supporters of either candidate but are here to start shit, they just choose one candidate to represent and then go bat-shit-insane.

Things will calm down once the nominee is determined.

:hi:

[tammywammy]

19. Both sides have their share of asshole "supporters"

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

21. It's like 20 people, comprising both sides.

The outrage is hilarious.

[saltpoint]

25. If you can arrange a coup that puts John Edwards in the White House,

or Mario Cuomo, or Barbara Boxer, or Russ Feingold, or Dennis Kucinich, or Gravel, or Biden, or seveeral other dozens of my personal favorite Democrats, I'm in.

The sooner the better, in fact.

but John, Dennis, and Joe et al are out of the race at this point and three Dems are left standing of which I prefer Gravel on philosophy and the issues but realize that there s no mechanism for him to win nomination.

Leaving Senator Clinton and Senator Obama.

I'm choosing Obama in part because of those two candidates I believe his coattails are the longest and I was never a Clinton Democrat from his ascent in the 1991-02 primary season. Hillary Clinton would have done much better without her husband, IMO.

[Blue_In_AK]

96. OC, I agree with your last paragraph 100 percent

and while I've got you here, when you see me say negative things about Obama supporters here, please know that I'm not speaking of you and people like you. It's these other idiots that are making me crazy, and actually almost sick of Obama. They are not doing him any favors.

[Blue_Roses]

26. I've seen it on both sides,

but I think there are many more Obama supporters and when Hillary does something like she did yesterday, it's hard to sit back and watch. Defending one's candidate is what makes one a supporter.

Did you miss 2004 primaries? It was a blood-bath too.

[LibraLiz1973]

27. I don't remember it being this bad.

I've said before and I shall say again, it is like every epic fight scene from every movie ever made in GDP.

[Obamaman2008]

30. Perhaps because they have Clinton Fatigue and are tired of her negative

tactics, and them being used on Obama. She has even said you have to "bash the brains in of your oppoenent". I don't like that type of thinking, especially in primaries. Clintons don't just try to win campaigns, they try to ruin the life completely of the person that runs against them. Most people don't like that type of politicing.

I was OK with Hillary until Bill tried to divide the party by race with his comments in S.C.

That made up my mind to be against Hillary, not just for Obama.

[yourguide]

37. I'm with you on that one...

I have found her negative attacks have made it very difficult for me to support her even if she gets the nod.

[Redstone]

32. Liz, I've seen it from both sides. If I had the time, I'd do a tally of all the various childish

names people call one another here, and I'd bet the two sides would be about even.

I don't have a dog in this fight, either. Except the one who likes to dig up the trolls and bite their heads off. And he's been busy lately.

Redstone

[LibraLiz1973]

36. Yeah.. Where IS that dog??? It's freakin crazy around here!!!!!

[NC_Nurse]

34. I honestly have not seen more mean Obama poster than Hillary posters.

I have a LOT of people on ignore these days though. Some from both sides.
I try to be respectful of everyone. I wouldn't even call out a Nader supporter, I
hide threads that are inflammatory and put jerks on ignore. Works great. :-)

[ThatPoetGuy]

41. There are, of course, notable exceptions.

I'm an Obama supporter. Other Obama supporters frequently attack me, or call me "fake," but the fact is, I think he's the best candidate left standing.

I don't feel a need to demonize Hillary, and any time someone criticizes her in a gender-loaded manner, I condemn it. I'm not proud of a lot of things Obama has done during this campaign, and I'll say so openly.

And yet, he seems like he was a progressive before this campaign began, and I have hopes he will be one again. He has, in my opinion, a better chance of beating mcCain. And as president, I see his communication style as more likely to get things accomplished than Hillary's. I think Edwards' communication would better sway minds, but Obama's is the best we have left.

So please don't tar us all with the same brush.

[conservdem]

42. I agree some of us have gone to far on occasion.

I have been hard on her, but I do not think I have been rude, snide, obnoxious, or bullying. Obama supporters, and really all posters should not conduct themselves in that manner. She is a very smart and tough opponent and if Obama wins I hope her supporters will support him. Please do not hold the actions of a small percentage of Obama supporters against the candidate.

[From The Left]

44. John Edwards Dropped Out

Bump

[Emit]

49. Maybe because there are more Obama supporters on DU than HRC supporters.

I really can't say.

I can say, however, that I have been called "dense" and other such terms by HRC supporters on more than one occasion. When critiquing Obama, I have not encountered the same ad hominem attacks, but, perhaps that is because it's no secret that Obama is my candidate by default. :shrug: So, I guess I can't be totally objective to your question, as most will not be able to, either.

[LadyVT]

56. I believe some prolific nasties have been hired (ignore, ignore)

[99th_Monkey]

60. Flame Bait Alert!! no thanks. -nt

[madrchsod]

62. you know why i don`t like hillary?

"SHE SPILLED THE BONG WATER"

[Faygo Kid]

65. It's our cult leadership. They're godlike, but have bad manners.

We worship our Obama cult leaders, but admittedly our official cult handbook could use updating with a chapter on etiquette, maybe after the chapter explaining how Obama descended from heaven on a fiery chariot.

"Klaatu Barada Nikto" to you ("Yes We Can")

[CitizenLeft]

68. hold on...

I don't want to get in on the arguing, even though I've chosen Obama, but:

"Klaatu Barada Nikto" to you ("Yes We Can")

ROTFL! :rofl:

[CitizenLeft]

66. let me just say...

I was on the fence for a long time too... right up until about 10 days ago. I have MANY times defended Hillary Clinton on this board, and Obama too. In spite of my anticipation of it, no one has ever jumped on me for it. I HAVE been jumped on for defending congressional members, especially Nancy Pelosi... and for other issues - I once made a very mild comment about abortion - and I'm pro-choice! and got called some really nasty names for it. But for defending Hillary? Never. Nor Obama.

I've come to the conclusion that nasty is as nasty does. When a Clinton supporter goes nuclear, they get it right back. And when an Obama supporter goes nuclear, no matter who started it, they get it right back. It's that simple.

I may be proven wrong in this toxic environment, but I've found this to be true: ugly gets ugly. Period.

[quakerboy]

67. I try to stay out of it all

unless someone says something factualy wrong.

As I read I see a lot of snide and often rude Obama supporters grinding in their likely victory. And I see a smaller number of much more vocal Hillary supporters in full blown rage tossing out whatever comes to mind, desperate for any victory no matter how small.

Its seems wastefull. Perhaps it is cathartic for them.

[MethuenProgressive]

69. The DUbamas have never been pro-Obama more than they've been HillaryHaters

They are HillaryHaters first and foremost.
The honest, actual pro-Obama DU members are here in small numbers, but are overshadowed by the Haters.

[GCP]

72. Thank you, and I agree entirely

I was an Edwards supporter and (reluctantly) turned to Hillary because I just do not get what people see in Obama. I think he's an empty suit with a way-too-thin resume.
For the first time in 7 years on this board, I feel like I don't belong any more because the place seems to have been taken over by pod-people.

[DemGa]

77. It comes from the top down -- Obama is the source---NT

[rug]

80. They have no hope and are unable to change.

[surfermaw]

81. If the undicided could see this board and the attitude of the Obama voters or the rep pretending to

pretending to be Obama voters, the unddecided voters would vote Hillary

[Orangepeel]

83. for the same reason the Hillary supporters are

There isn't a whole lot of difference between the two on policy, so the choice mostly comes down to personality and campaign tactics. When people are arguing the personal, it gets personal.

[Raine]

84. It goes BOTH ways

and I'm not attacking you, I'm just saying.

[LibraLiz1973]

94. No, your right. It DOES go both ways

I just see it as a lot more HRC bashing. Especially in the last 2 weeks. This place is on fire with Hillary hate.

[Adelante]

85. Take your blinders off

You might see better.

[RunningFromCongress]

86. It's a 2 way street...luckily DU represents about .001% of the Democratic party

[blues90]

87. I have no candidate either , both sides are screwed up

I can't stand all the bashing and the splitting of the party when almost everyone said in the beginning that every dem candidate would make a great president until it was down to Hillary and Obama .

The entire scene makes me sick .

I don't like the candidates attacks on eachother or the people who support these attacks .

Both to me are corporate candidates propelled by the media .

I am sick of all the fainting and crying during Obama rally's and the I want the first female on the Hillary camp side .

The dems look every bit as bad as the repubs with the games .

They should just cancel these elections and start over and find a few dems who focus on the issues only and how they intend to fix things . That's all I care about but we will not get this now .

I don't want to hear this is politics , what it is , is insanity and something that people should not accept as something normal or desired , there is nothing normal about it . It's a damn freak show that's been built up into the greatest show on earth .

[Seabiscuit]

89. Most of them are invading freepers masquerading as Obama supporters.

[ErnestoG]

90. Flamebait. Bullshit. Substanceless personal attacks.

Try concentrating on the CANDIDATES' plusses and minuses instead of participants here. Think you can do that?

[Recursion]

91. I'm daily compared to a Jonestown cultist on this board simply for backing a candidate

And my attempts to point out my chosen candidate's platform are met with raw contempt and groundless accusations of naivete.

I guess my point is the attacks are not remotely as one-sided as you seem to claim.

[alarimer]

92. I can't stand it either and it is why I voted for Clinton in the primary

Those nasty people can all go to hell, since they can't disagree civilly.

[Blue_In_AK]

95. Oh, yes

I'm really tired of this whole thing. I don't even feel like voting in the presidential election in November, to tell you the truth, this has been so ugly. Hopefully, by the time the convention is over I'll feel a little better, but I'm not so sure. Obama really puts me off, and Hillary isn't going to be nominated, so ...

[readmoreoften]

98. Because this isn't politics and they are members of a new purity cult.

I'm not for Hillary either, but the Obama campaign--particularly its operatives on DU--have helped me decide to leave the party as far as it's concerned on the national level. I'm only voting for local Democrats at this point--real people getting real things accomplished. After 20 years of voting loyal Dem, I'm done. This has been the most disgusting and disingenuous campaign in American history and, while the Clintons bear some of the responsibility with dirty politicking, the MSM and the Obama campaign/hysteria have created a new sort of political duplicity altogether: the destruction of politics through branding.

The entire process is hollow, irrelevant, insulting, and a total waste of time.

By the way, DU has become a Obama echo chamber, a wind tunnel. Since they have to policy to discuss (per the orders of the Obama campaign itself as revealed in the Sacramento Bee) only "conversion stories" to sell there is no politics in politics anymore. Politics is now an issue-free zone. And since they're only preaching to the choir, the last thing left to do is curse the Devil. The Devil, mind you, is not McCain (no, the Republicans are now our friends). The Devil is the Old Way and Clinton with her wrinkled skin, her serious face, the fact that she has a history at all--that's her real crime. They pretend it's that they despise "centrism" and "triangulation" but really--their guy being the centrist and triangulator par excellence--it's that they want an empty vessel. Something "new", something "erased."

Kind of like the neoconservative movement in Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine, they believe that we need a "clean slate". Slate-cleaning is always a violent angry process. Of course, what makes it psychotic, is that they aren't even targeting the real regime: the neoconservative movement. In fact, they're all about "working with them." What they're really about eradicating is anything that gets in their way of obtaining power, which at the moment is purely Clinton.

Thankfully Obama doesn't really stand for anything. I'm not really afraid of or looking forward to his presidency. It will be as hollow as his campaign. What I am afraid of now is the portion of the Democratic party who have fallen for this mythology. In my opinion, they truly are dangerous as the Bushites because they will fall for anything so long as its properly packaged. I'm not talking about the people who are shrugging their shoulders and voting for Obama, those who "kinda like him", or those African-Americans who are excited about the notion of the first Black president. I'm talking about the hysterical people who are apart of the BAM movement, those who put their hope in Obama as if he were a messiah. The ones who faint. The ones who refuse to admit he makes mistakes. The ones who refuse to notice that he's a politician.

[LostinVA]

100. I really wish you'd post this as an OP

It's very good and very thoughtful, and I believe you're spot on in your analysis.

I agree with you about national-level politics, btw.

[sueragingroz]

104. look on the bright side

when you post something like this, you can gather more names for your iggy list :)

[Raine]

106. It always seems that the people who claim

"they haven't got a dog in this fight" attack the Obama supporters, hmmmmmm.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

107. Honestly? The Answer Is More Simple Than You Realize.

Obama supporters outnumber Hillary supporters probably 10-1. Put that together with the phenom type momentum their side has, and you have a recipe for that type of behavior. When in the majority to that degree and with that much momentum on their side, it creates an atmosphere that it totally conducive to that sort of bullying etc. If the Hillary supporters had the Obama supporters outnumbered to that degree and she had momentum on her side, I'd wager we'd see similar vitriol and frequency.

It has become a sporting event between two falsely perceived rival teams, but we're in one team's bar where ten fans are sittin but one brave fan of the other team walks in and starts trying to declare that THEIR team is the best. In any given bar, on any given day, between any given two rival sports teams, how do you think that exchange would turn out? Really, at its core, that's all we're seeing here.

[Generator]

108. Yeah but the Edwards supporters have a special hate for Obama

which I don't get-except I've always thought it must be jealousy. I've never seen it very fact based. I personally do not groove to Obama but I've never been able to stand Hillary based on her every position for the last seven years. She lies and hires Mark Penn. She evades and whines. She is the anti-Edwards-all win-no principle.

But apparently the special "hate" is only for Obama from the Edwardians. In fact reading the Edwards forum was quite weird as some are "afraid" of Obama. Sorry, but that's just weird. He's not the anti-Christ-some of his supporters may be fanatical (as if the Hillary ones aren't!HA!) but he's just a man.

[Freida5]

111. I think they are largely republicans who have nothing else to do but attack Hillary

because they know they can destroy BO in the fall

[Marie26]

117. IMO a good percent are simply Freepers or Hillary-haters. nt