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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:23 PM
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The Obama Enigma
Where were these basic questions for the past year? :eyes:

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THE NATIONAL Journal magazine recently ranked Barack Obama as the most liberal senator in 2007 -- an assessment that is subject to legitimate quibbling but will no doubt be featured by Republicans if Mr. Obama wins the Democratic nomination for president. Democratic voters in a Pew Research Center poll last month put Mr. Obama to their left ideologically, Hillary Rodham Clinton to their right. Are these analyses accurate? When the Illinois Democrat talks about bringing together red and blue America, does he mean that he will persuade the red (Republican) part to come around to blue (Democratic) policies -- or does he mean that he will forge a new, centrist answer that will bridge the red-blue divide? Is he a liberal at heart who tacks occasionally to the center or more of a centrist capable of suppressing leftist instincts when political circumstances demand?

It's telling, at this relatively late stage in the nominating process, that the answers are not clear -- at least not to us. Granted, broad terms such as "liberal" or "conservative" can be more misleading than informative. Mr. Obama himself disparages such labeling as a simplistic enterprise, writing to the liberal Web site Daily Kos that "the whole 'centrist' versus 'liberal' labels that continue to characterize the debate within the Democratic Party misses the mark." University of Chicago law professor Cass R. Sunstein, an informal adviser to Mr. Obama, places the candidate not at a particular spot along the ideological continuum but as a "visionary minimalist," willing "to think big and to endorse significant departures from the status quo -- but to do so after accommodating, learning from, and bringing on board a variety of different perspectives."

Yes, but where is Mr. Obama most comfortable himself? Where would he strive to take the country? It is possible to draw conflicting lessons from his record. As New York Times columnist David Brooks has pointed out, Mr. Obama was not part of the bipartisan Gang of 14 that tried to avert a showdown on judicial filibusters; he was not among the 68 senators voting for a bipartisan agreement on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act; he dissented from the part of the bipartisan immigration deal that displeased unions. His campaign platform is orthodox liberal Democratic fare. So is Mr. Obama a standard liberal clad in the soothing language of inclusiveness?

Perhaps, but one could read the record and arrive at a different conclusion. Mr. Obama not only declined to filibuster Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr.; he was initially inclined to vote for him, according to The Post's Perry Bacon Jr. Even in the heat of a primary campaign, he has shown some brief glimmers of divergence from the party line: He dared to mention the notion of "merit pay" in an appearance before the teachers union, and he told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel editorial board that, although he is a "skeptic" about school vouchers, "I will not allow my predispositions to stand in the way of making sure that our kids can learn" if research shows that they work. His book "The Audacity of Hope" is laced with hints of a more complex Obama than the campaign trail version -- more conflicted, for instance, about the benefits of free trade than the campaign trail's NAFTA-basher. "In his view of history, in his respect for tradition, in his skepticism that the world can be changed any way but very, very slowly, Obama is deeply conservative. There are moments when he sounds almost Burkean," Larissa McFarquhar wrote in the New Yorker last year.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/23/AR2008022301816.html?nav=hcmodule
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:25 PM
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1. You should read Lakoff sometime.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:30 PM
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6. That's my response.
I don't think jackson_dem knows his values. :cry:
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:33 PM
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7. Is Obama Lakoff? Or are we to "hope" he is what you want him to be?
This goes to the piece. Who is the real Barack Obama?
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:25 PM
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2. i'll start reading your posts when they have somethng to do with your candidate
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:27 PM
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3. Then why did you click on the thread?
:rofl:
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:29 PM
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4. I guess everyone wants the chance to express righteous indignation these days.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:29 PM
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5. You beat me to it!! NT
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:37 PM
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9. Probably for the same reason people look at car wrecks.
Morbid curiosity.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:35 PM
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:44 PM
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10. IMHO, the gang of 14 was a bad deal for Dems & America. Maybe Obama is just an American.
I think Hillary and Obama care about the people of this country. I hope they toughen eachother up so that our nominee will give the GOP nominee hell for what they've done to Americans. Maybe that'll be our swiftboat.
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SayitAintSo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:52 PM
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11. I read this article earlier and have wondered the same thing
Edited on Sun Feb-24-08 04:54 PM by SayitAintSo
I think the answer will come too late for some. BO voting 'present' all those times in his stint as a state senator bothers me greatly. I don't understand why it isn't a bigger issue for some. Taking a position or a stand does take courage, voting 'present' or staying neutral to preserve your broad appeal is purely political in my opinion.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:56 PM
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12. blah ,blah,blah..."obama is a conservative" BRILLANT!
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:58 PM
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13. Centrist isn't conservative. No one seriously considers him a conservative
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 05:00 PM
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14. Good luck with your meme.......here are the facts though.......
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 05:01 PM
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15. What does Hillary have to do with what Obama really believes?
Edited on Sun Feb-24-08 05:02 PM by jackson_dem
Are several Obamites here "trained" to bring her up whenever Obama's record, beliefs are being scrutinized? ;)
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 05:30 PM
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16. He is a tabula raza, whatever you hope he'll be (all things to all people)?
hope audaciously...yes, you can!
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